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Can Tea Party Groups, or Others, file RICO vs the IRS, etc? - Vanity
6/22/14 | dagogo redux

Posted on 06/22/2014 8:16:56 PM PDT by dagogo redux

Do any lawyers or others among us have any idea whether the Tea Party groups that were targeted by the IRS can file a RICO action against the IRS?

If so, what would it cost, what are the chances of prevailing, and what possible protections could one expect against the defendants and their friends in other parts of the syndicate?

Could such an action be filed as well against other agencies of the federal syndicate involved in organized criminal actions like Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the VA, etc, etc, etc.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: corruption; irs; rico; teaparty
It's a serious question on my part. I hope to get a few serious, sober answers.
1 posted on 06/22/2014 8:16:57 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux
I hope to get a few serious, sober answers.

Well, you came to the right place.

2 posted on 06/22/2014 8:19:30 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

I think I would consider defending myself by force if they came afetr me for some trumped up charge or audit.


3 posted on 06/22/2014 8:22:35 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Just doing laps around the sun and shaking my head that progressives can believe what they do!)
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To: MtnClimber

They won’t do that. They can just freeze your bank account and put a hold/lien on your assets. You just go on down to the heavily guarded Gun-Free Zone Federal Building and talk to the nice IRS agent about this little misunderstanding.


4 posted on 06/22/2014 8:30:11 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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To: dagogo redux

http://www.jha.com/us/blog/?blogID=646


5 posted on 06/22/2014 8:31:19 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: dagogo redux; Jim Robinson

” - - - Lerner may have been receiving emails from both sides of the aisle on Capitol Hill urging audits and investigations into Tea Party groups. - - - “

[Note: Quote from FR thread article posted 6-21-14 by spodfly. ]

If this is true, then here are a few questions designed to get to “where the buck stops” as follows:

Some of the main questions are as follows:

* Did Rep. Peter King of New York send the most anti-TEA party emails to the IRS?

* Did Speaker Boehner send anti-TEA Party emails to then Sec. of the Treasury, Timmy Geithner?

* In any of the Obama/Boehner “Grand Bargain” discussions, was IRS Harassment of TEA Party Groups ever discussed, by Obama or Boehner, as a bargaining point?

* Did Rep. Darrell Issa of California and Rep. Mike Rogers sign group letters to Geithner or Lerner as Chairmen, or just as regular House Members to slow-walk any TEA party groups through the IRS?

* What role did Rep. Eric Cantor play in encouraging or discouraging continued IRS Harassment of Tea Party Groups?

BTW, similar questions can be raised in the US Senate, if ones last names are Graham or McCain.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 8:31:46 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

But I do think that the government is culpable under RICO myself.


7 posted on 06/22/2014 8:32:47 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: dagogo redux

The federal government claims a “right” called sovereign immunity, which basically states that you can only sue them if they say it’s okay. Nice huh?


8 posted on 06/22/2014 8:36:58 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar; dagogo redux

Targets of the IRS might have a civil claim for violation of Constitutional rights under color of law. Sovereign immunity does NOT apply.

Any lawyers want to pipe in and correct me if I’m wrong?


9 posted on 06/22/2014 8:40:01 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Well, not being an attorney, I lack the finely honed skills needed to understand the reasoning here:

“the Ninth Circuit reasoned . . . that a Federal Tort Claims Act action against a federal government employee could not, by definition, include a RICO claim because the employee’s actions would by definition have to have been taken outside the course and scope of his or her employment:

Is not the use of the IRS as a political sledgehammer “outside the course and scope of his or her employment”?

In addition, the Bill of Rights clearly states, “The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law . . . prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.”

So how is one to “redress . . . grievances” against a government or governmental agency that operates as an organized crime syndicate? What is the mechanism, if not something like RICO?


10 posted on 06/22/2014 8:47:27 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

I’m not a lawyer (and proud of it), but if you did file a RICO charge against the IRS, who would the prosecutor be?

Answer: there would be no prosecutor. Attorney General Holder would laugh as he threw the RICO forms in the wastebasket. And if any federal DA tried to prosecute the case, he’d be immediately fired. And no one in the MSM would care to investigate as to why.


11 posted on 06/22/2014 8:51:43 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Graewoulf

Where did this come from?


12 posted on 06/22/2014 8:55:04 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt; dagogo redux

a RICO complaint is not against an organization; it is against individuals managing, operating or controlling an organization in a corrupt manner.

It is well established that government offices are organizations that fit within the RICO statutes.


13 posted on 06/22/2014 9:01:48 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: dagogo redux

I’m not a lawyer either, but will take a stab at your question. “Racketeering” is a catch-all phrase referring to the methods of organized crime like the Chicago mobs of the 30’s who, get this, made a racket in their speakeasies and brothels. As such it implies the existence of a conspiracy e.g. two or more people coordinating a crime. So if you sue a government official on RICO statues, you are ensnaring unspecified government officials and officers in a larger crime who are not named in the original lawsuit. And the government explicitly states that you cannot do that.


14 posted on 06/22/2014 9:03:01 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: dagogo redux

Maybe I missed it, but where is Rudy Guiliani on all this? Few people know the RICO law and how to use it like him; he was a NY prosecutor.

Rudy put away mobsters and banksters and is still alive. He’s the man for this job I would think.


15 posted on 06/22/2014 9:11:53 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: dagogo redux

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3029825/posts


16 posted on 06/22/2014 9:22:24 PM PDT by matthew fuller (gopetition.com/petitions/request-for-immediate-texas-border-control/sign.html#se)
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To: dagogo redux

The “powers that be” would have no fear at all of this for the reasons already stated. The only thing that could give them pause is the anticipation of single individuals, acting alone.


17 posted on 06/22/2014 9:44:30 PM PDT by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: SpaceBar
The federal government claims a “right” called sovereign immunity, which basically states that you can only sue them if they say it’s okay. Nice huh?

I sure hope knowledgeable lawyers pipe in, because I do believe that the RICO laws do not allow exceptions for elected or appointed officials.
Total immunity simply makes no sense.

Besides, the "Federal Government" cannot be charged under RICO laws; only individual criminals who happen to be congresscritters.

18 posted on 06/22/2014 10:47:18 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Graewoulf

Frog march the entire Congress to jail. Let them stew until one of them rolls on the others (should take less than 4 hours).


19 posted on 06/23/2014 12:19:23 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: dagogo redux
Something needs to be done.
And soon. . . .
20 posted on 06/23/2014 3:10:55 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Why would ANYBODY want to be President after the mess ZERO is leaving?)
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To: reefdiver

FR Thread: “John Boehner’s Dog and Pony show”

“1 posted on June 21, 2014 at 9:50:41 PM CDT by spodefly”


21 posted on 06/23/2014 6:09:44 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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