Skip to comments.Top Polish Politician Quoted As Saying Alliance With U.S. Is ‘Worthless’
Posted on 06/23/2014 2:48:58 AM PDT by markomalley
Polands government has long been uneasy about the Obama administrations reset of relations with Moscow and its scaling down of a Bush-era missile defense plan, but private comments allegedly by Warsaws foreign minister have cast an awkward light on the relationship just weeks after a presidential visit.
Polands Wprost newsmagazine on Sunday quoted excerpts of what it said was a recording of a conversation between Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski and a Polish lawmaker, in which the Sikorski says the alliance with the U.S. is worthless.
The man identified as Sikorski is quoted as saying, There is no doubt that the policy pursued by the prime minister and the defense minister is wrong. You know that the Polish-American alliance is worthless. It is even harmful, because it creates for Poland a false sense of security.
The second voice, said to be that of lawmaker and former Finance Minister Jacek Rostowski, asks why.
Complete bulls**t, says the first, adding that in the event of a conflict with the Germans or Russians Poland will mistakenly think that everything is super because of the close relationship with the Americans. (The speakers uses crude language here to describe the intimacy of that relationship.)
[We are] suckers, total suckers, he continues. The problem in Poland is that we have shallow pride and low self-esteem.
Wprost said it would release the actual audio clips on Monday or Tuesday, and a government spokeswoman declined to comment until the magazine makes available all illegally-recorded conversations in its possession.
The publication has released a series of snippets of embarrassing conversations involving high-level officials since June 14, and Prime Minister Donald Tusk has suggested he may call elections a year earlier than scheduled in response to the scandal.
A lawmaker in Tusks ruling Civic Platform party, Julia Pitera, told Polish television that the government's foreign policy is not the personal policy of Radoslaw Sikorski.
Foreign policy is being carried out well, so I hope this was just a demonstration of stupidity, she added.
Sikorski, an Atlanticist and former resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, is an ambitious politician who earlier this year was named as a contender for NATO secretary-general. The post eventually went to former Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, who will succeed Anders Fogh Rasmussen in October.
Last month Poland officially proposed Sikorski as a candidate to succeed European Union (E.U.) foreign policy chief Cathy Ashton.
The release of the alleged Sikorski comments comes less than three weeks after President Obama visited Poland as the E.U. and NATO member marked the 25th anniversary of the end of communism.
The only early response from the administration to Sundays report was a tweet by the U.S. ambassador to Poland, Stephen Mull, who said, Im not going to comment on alleged content of private conversations. As for our alliance, I think its strong.
Sikorski has not commented publicly to the claims, but retweeted Mulls message.
Poland has been an active ally of the U.S. It was one of just three countries to participate alongside the U.S. in the 2003 invasion of Iraq Britain and Australia were the others and maintained a sizeable troop presence there for longer than most, until an eventual withdrawal late in 2008.
Poland has also been among the leading contributors to the NATO-led mission in Afghanistan, and one of a very few European members not to apply caveats restricting how and where its troops operate there.
The Bush administration selected Poland as the location for interceptor missiles as part of its proposal for a ballistic missile defense (BMD) shield, designed to protect U.S. troops and allies from missile attack by Iran.
The plan to place the silo-based missiles in Poland, and an associated radar facility in the Czech Republic, angered Russia, which claimed the shield was aimed at countering its nuclear deterrent. In response to the proposal, the Kremlin periodically threatened to deploy short-range missiles in Kaliningrad, a Russian exclave bordering Poland.
After Obama took office, he launched his touted reset of relations with Russia, and in pursuit of that goal later that year abandoned the BMD plan in favor of what it called a smarter, safer and swifter approach, focusing on a short- and medium-range missile threat. (Russia continues to oppose the alternative proposal, which inter alia involves a more modest missile defense facility in Poland in 2018.)
At the time when the administration was reviewing its predecessors BMD plans in 2009, the Polish government fretted that making concessions to Russia on missile defense would undermine U.S. credibility in those parts of Europe formerly under Soviet domination.
The eventual decision was announced on the day Poland was marking the 70th anniversary of the Red Armys invasion. Sikorski called it clumsy.
Polands leaders have invariably regarded Russia as a far more serious potential threat than Iranian missiles. That view was dramatically reinforced by Moscows intervention in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea this year, which set off alarm bells in Poland and other countries across eastern Europe.
The U.S. has taken pains to assure Poland and other anxious NATO allies in the region of its commitment to their security, and during his recent visit Obama announced plans for a $1 billion fund to increase U.S. troop rotations in eastern Europe.
His Polish hosts welcomed the news, but also hinted strongly that what Poland really wants is a NATO base on its soil something which Russia says the alliance pledged not to do when it admitted new members after the Cold War ended.
‘Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski and a Polish lawmaker, in which the Sikorski says the alliance with the U.S. is worthless.’
Sikorski is right.
Only when you add Obama in place of U.S.
With the current cabal in the White House, Foggy Bottom, and Langly, yeah, he’s 100% correct.
As was their alliance with France and England. In time of extreme need a nation has only itself to rely on. As, when the need is extreme its allies fear getting dragged under by the drowning victim.
“As was their alliance with France and England.”
At least they went to war for Poland; it cost France its freedom. I think Poles today know that such actions wouldn’t be taken by the US; France learned the hard way (leaving NATO and developing its own nuclear arsenal).
‘Only when you add Obama in place of U.S.’
Obama is the driver of US polices toward our former friends. He has insulted them, he has backed out of promises he had made to traditional allies, he has done everything possible to drive a wedge between our country and those countries who have had our backs in the past.
I see no one moving to stop him. At this point, I am no longer certain who would come to our aid when we need it.
Sikorski is dead-on right.. and it will not improve with Hillary either.
I agree with your first statement but must take issue with your second.
Obama’s ignorance and incompetence can only be described that way if you believe that his actions are honest mistakes, that he did not intend for them to have the results they have had.
I believe his actions are a well thought out campaign to isolate our country and destroy any remaining good will our soon to be former allies may have for us. Link these actions in the foreign policy arena to his hallowing out of our military and I think you can not help but see the pattern.
This is a dilemma I have been wrestling with for years. I guess I chalk up his dismal record to his warped concept of Change for America and his inept abilities. I agree with you though, it does look intentional.
The baraq team is working to destroy our country.
But don’t forget, his party and his media that put him in power are working with him for the same ends.
And they think none of the aftermath will affect them.
Through history, Poland has earned the right to trust no one — the hard way.
And I must admit, you shouldn’t trust the Caliph any further than you can throw him.
...well I would say they’ve done an excellent job thus far. Of course they’ll just say it was GW Bush’s fault. Serously, I never thought Carter could be outdone but there you go.
Around the world, they’re scratching their heads that the American people elected this Do-Do bird twice!
I do not see any of the things you mentioned changing in the foreseeable future. In fact, I believe that it will get worse.
Read the book of Revalations (Apocalypse in the Catholic Bible) and understand that it isn't over until our side wins.
“At least they went to war for Poland; it cost France its freedom. “
I can’t argue. I do think France was going down regardless. It amazes me that they’d spent so much money infectively. (I worked for the military division of Schlumberger. The companies essentially tell the military what they’re going to build and France buys it. Based on my experience with their equipment I wouldn’t use French anything. But that is neither here nor there.) Essentially, no country can rely on any other country for its existence. Obama has proven that. I expect that South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are busy building their own nuclear umbrellas right now. It’s ironic that Mr. Nobel Peace Prize will be responsible for the biggest nuclear arms race to date.
Yeah, he’s right - an alliance with the USA IS worthless if leftists are in power,
because they inherently treat our friends as enemies and our enemies as friends.
They get it wrong EVERY TIME.
It has only been in recent history that conspiracy has come to inhabit the same niche as bigfoot, the yeti, and space aliens. The founding fathers of this country knew that conspiracies of power hungry men existed and had exerted their efforts to bring about the downfall of countries and peoples. As recently as the thirties we saw a conspiracy of Hitler and industrialists bring about WWII.
In the 40’s and 50’s in this country we saw the efforts of the left to hide the conspiracy to bring down our form of government when some people became aware of its existence. The left began to ridicule them as people engaged in witch hunts, remember the McCarthy Hearings and other Congressional hearings seeking to root out the Communists in government and the motion picture business. In the ‘90’s after the fall of the Iron Curtain the KGB opened their archives to American researchers and others and it was found that McCarthy was right. The conspiracy had extended all the way to the right hand man of FDR, Harry Hopkins. He was known as the second President and even lived in the White House in the President’s private quarters. He was listed as an agent of the Soviets.
Read “American Betrayal” by West and you will find this and other evidence of the influence of the Communists in our government. The motion picture and in particular the tv industry destroyed the reputations of many people who discovered the truth to protect themselves. Our schools and colleges did same thing that is why people are afraid to say what they know to be true. How else do you explain the professors in our colleges who will destroy any student who dares to stand up to the left wing tripe being spouted and called education?
How else would you explain the Christian churches that will now marry same sex couples? It is written of in the Bible as an abomination and still the hierarchy of almost all Protestant churches go along with it. It is not just keeping up with the times, though some fools will fall for that, it is that the hierarchy has been taken over by the Communists.
I have read that the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled on man was to convince them that he did not exist. Conspiracies are just one of his tools.
“Essentially, no country can rely on any other country for its existence. Obama has proven that. I expect that South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are busy building their own nuclear umbrellas right now. Its ironic that Mr. Nobel Peace Prize will be responsible for the biggest nuclear arms race to date.”
There has been nothing peaceful since he ascended the throne; the Pacific Rim is arming to the teeth because now they know we’re in bed with Red China and will do nothing to protect them.
Watergate crystallized many fears about government overreach but the main big money-making one are UFO’s.
We should note that from 1945 on, UFO’s really, “took off”, sorry for that pun. Why is 1945 or 1947 (Roswell) so prominent? Ladies and gentlemen, the huge upswing in sightings is directly connected to the invention of the jet engine and subsequent propulsion “Black Projects” carried out Post-WWII.
Fears about Communism were well founded and while there was a “Red Scare” in America, so too there was a “Capitalist Imperialist” scare in Communist Russia.
Since the Cold War ended, we have been rudderless, devoid of leadership except for RWR. A prime example of that loss of vision is the Space Program. Obama simply put the nails in the coffin on US leadership in the world.
I don’t think anyone believed Arlen’s Magic Bullet theory and it seemed too convenient for it to happen in Dallas, a place LBJ had a ton of influence in and could likely cover up whatever he wanted. I don’t believe in coincidences but it has also been over 50 years and I just don’t care.
UFO’s are a convenient way to deny the existence and actions of God. The sudden appearance of modern man and his ability as a builder and mastery of mathematics and other disciplines, right out of the box (pun intended), are often used by people to say that aliens had to engineer this. When the aliens take me for a ride I will believe it and I don’t think the Mexicans are quite that advanced just yet. This is my opinion.
We do not need a space program since I think if we ever return to the moon, we will find Walmart bags there. We need to suit up ten thousand astronauts and tie Walmart bags to em and sooner or later a few will end up there. Much cheaper than our current method.
The tag “Red Scare” trivializes the actions of the Soviets and implies that it was an overreaction to a few goofballs. The efforts of the communists and their ilk have never let up and the evidence is all around us. Just read the posts here on FR and up can see it in action in real time.
Let me give you two conspiracies that have happened in very recent times. Immelt of GE and the forced switch to mercury blubs and Warren Buffett and his purchase of the railroad that brings in Canadian oil. Both of these were conspiracies that involve Obama and a large supporting cast of the usual suspects. Obamacare and the EPA being used to destroy our power grid are two others. Just look around, they are hard to miss and they are in our faces.
Conspiracies are not the sole domain of nutcases, they do exist.
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