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Court Documents: Oregon Gunman Stole His AR-15
breitbart.com ^ | June 22,2014 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 06/23/2014 5:15:26 AM PDT by Q-ManRN

Court documents relating to the June 10 murder/suicide at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, Oregon, show the gunman stole the AR-15 he used to commit the crime.

He also had a handgun which he had stolen.

President Obama and Representative Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) called for the passage of expanded background checks in the wake of the heinous crime at Reynolds High School. But background checks do not stop thieves.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; oregonshooter; secondamendment
More proof that universal background checks are not universal and that these gun control proposals are "universal" nonsense. A lot of people fail to grasp the premise underlying our background check system: namely that people who choose to undergo a background check are people who choose to obey the law. Criminals who use illegal means to obtain weapons are not undergoing background checks no matter how many more laws we pass that will not change.
1 posted on 06/23/2014 5:15:26 AM PDT by Q-ManRN
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To: MinuteGal; M Kehoe; mcmuffin; Matchett-PI; Seeking the truth; JulieRNR21; surfer; Bob Ireland

Gun control/Oregon shooter ping.


2 posted on 06/23/2014 5:17:50 AM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Q-ManRN

I agree with the premise that background checks do not and have not prevented tragedies like this.

I do wonder where he kept the rifle that it could be so easily stolen? Was he propping open a door with it?

I am paranoid enough that I keep my firearms secure. I would never want to enable a nut-job or a gang banger using a weapon of mine.


3 posted on 06/23/2014 5:24:01 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: Q-ManRN
You're right. It is folly, utter folly to think that so-called "universal" background checks will be anything of the sort. Straw purchases are already illegal, basically anything involved in transferring a firearm to someone that couldn't pass a background check is already illegal.

Anyone who thinks "universal" background checks will stop illegal firearms transfers - I invite you to consider a "universal prescription" law. Do you think requiring all drug transfers have a doctor's prescription would stop the illegal drug trade? No, of course not. Well, the belief that "universal background checks" will have any similar impact on illegal firearms is exactly the same kind of idiocy.

4 posted on 06/23/2014 5:29:46 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Q-ManRN

Why all the hype? The media are treating this like a mass shooting. He killed one, injured one and off’d himself.


5 posted on 06/23/2014 5:32:22 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Q-ManRN

If laws worked we wouldn’t have an illegal alien as president.


6 posted on 06/23/2014 5:32:30 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

“I do wonder where he kept the rifle that it could be so easily stolen? Was he propping open a door with it?”

“Troutdale Police Chief Scott Anderson said Padgett “had obtained weapons from home and that they were secured,” but “he defeated the security measures.”

Perhaps a little reading would be advisable.


7 posted on 06/23/2014 5:33:19 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

“He had obtained the firearms from his home. They had been secured in the house, but Padgett “defeated the security measures,’’ the police chief said.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_slain_r.html

Some of BB articles are not very professional.


8 posted on 06/23/2014 5:33:38 AM PDT by BilLies (sharyl attkisson is alive and well HOORAY!!!!!)
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To: BilLies

Remember, the same thing happened with the Newtown shooter as well. His mother kept them secured but he figured out a way to get to them and immediately shot her in the head.


9 posted on 06/23/2014 5:35:33 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Q-ManRN

But remember, had the victim of the theft not had a weapon for the perp to steal...

< /sarc >


10 posted on 06/23/2014 5:38:31 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: umgud

I think it’s because the MSM has been given marching orders by the WH to report and oversensationalize every shooting they can to work the gun control supporter base and move the non-critical / mush headed thinkers / people to that mental state where they will support any gun grabbing measures offered. Just my .02


11 posted on 06/23/2014 5:40:01 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ThunderSleeps

You raise an excellent point. Poisoning is actually the leading cause of injury death and kills far more children then firearms annually. What’s more, 9 out of 10 poisonings are a result of inhesting drugs and the most frequent culprit is opioid analgesics- mom’s percocets. Seems like if they were really interested in saving children, they would be cracking down on the pharmaceutical industry, not the gun industry.


12 posted on 06/23/2014 5:47:19 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: JimRed
But remember, had the victim of the theft not had a weapon for the perp to steal...

And that is the point of the grabbers, isn't it?

13 posted on 06/23/2014 6:01:19 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi

I keep (kept, before the boat sank) all my firearms in my guns safes with one exception, the one I carry at the time. May GOD help you should I catch you trying to steal any one of them. The coroner will have to come get you.


14 posted on 06/23/2014 6:28:11 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: BilLies
He had obtained the firearms from his home. They had been secured in the house, but Padgett “defeated the security measures,’’ the police chief said

I saw that.

I still don't know what that means. Secured how? He picked the lock of a gun cabinet? He torched through the safe door? Looked under the bed? He opened a closet and "There it was"?

15 posted on 06/23/2014 6:45:41 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: Q-ManRN

Laws only impact the law abiding.


16 posted on 06/23/2014 6:57:26 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Q-ManRN

Many years ago, in one weekend, there were six separate murders in San Francisco. No guns involved.

The mayor immediately called for more gun control.


17 posted on 06/23/2014 7:28:42 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Darksheare

I’ve heard this statement for years.
“A lock only keeps an honest man honest.”


18 posted on 06/23/2014 7:31:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Exactly.


19 posted on 06/23/2014 8:16:09 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Bob Ireland

That makes me shudder! That is true because liberals see the source of violence as guns instead of people. Hence, the term “gun violence” implying that guns cause violence.

Thus, liberals believe that even when violent acts do not involve guns removing guns would likely have prevented the violence from occurring. And therefore we can eliminate violence by eliminating guns. It is circular thinking removed from reality that is typical of brainwashing.

Not to mention that in the liberal mind set individuals are rarely ever completely responsible for their actions in committing a crime. That is why they always talk about people having a rough childhood, having issues at school or work, etc.

Ruy Dias de Bivar wrote:
“Many years ago, in one weekend, there were six separate murders in San Francisco. No guns involved.

The mayor immediately called for more gun control.”


20 posted on 06/23/2014 8:46:50 AM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: ThunderSleeps; Bob Ireland

Great example! You really have to look at the way liberals use words like “universal background checks” and “gun control” which imply that the government is all-powerful.

ThunderSleeps wrote:
Anyone who thinks “universal” background checks will stop illegal firearms transfers - I invite you to consider a “universal prescription” law. Do you think requiring all drug transfers have a doctor’s prescription would stop the illegal drug trade? No, of course not. Well, the belief that “universal background checks” will have any similar impact on illegal firearms is exactly the same kind of idiocy.


21 posted on 06/23/2014 8:58:09 AM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
Mr. Quarterpanel said: "I am paranoid enough that I keep my firearms secure."

I keep mine in a five foot safe. A professional burglar would take about 15 minutes to empty my safe and get away with what's left of my collection (after that incredible boating accident).

Just how secure to you think your guns are?

22 posted on 06/23/2014 9:18:51 AM PDT by William Tell
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Stealing is still a criminal act folks! We do not blame people whose cars are stolen and then used as a getaway vehicle in a crime even if they left the car doors unlocked. We might say the car owner should have been more careful, but we do not say that the car owner is responsible for a crime. You are on a slippery slope obsessing about how they stored their firearms.

Mr. Quarterpanel wrote:
He had obtained the firearms from his home. They had been secured in the house, but Padgett “defeated the security measures,’’ the police chief said

I saw that.

I still don’t know what that means. Secured how? He picked the lock of a gun cabinet? He torched through the safe door? Looked under the bed? He opened a closet and “There it was”?


23 posted on 06/23/2014 9:23:28 AM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: William Tell
A professional burglar would take about 15 minutes to empty my safe and get away with what's left of my collection

Just how secure to you think your guns are?

Safe enough.

A professional would not bother with my (or your) stuff. It is just not worth the trouble to them. Given enough resources and time, any safe can be broken into, even by an amateur.

I seriously doubt that this high school kid had the skill set to defeat even a cheap Chinese safe big enough to hold the AR-15. This leads me to think that the term "Secured" was used rather generously in this case.

24 posted on 06/23/2014 9:49:05 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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