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Arizona Lawmaker To Entertain 'Chemtrail' Conspiracy Theories
Talking Points Memo ^ | June 23 2014 | Catherine Thompson

Posted on 06/23/2014 8:03:28 AM PDT by PoloSec

An Arizona lawmaker plans to entertain so-called "chemtrail" conspiracy theories at a public hearing this week.

State Sen. Kelli Ward (R) told the Havasu News that she's heard from some constituents who were concerned about contrails from airplanes having an effect on both the mercury levels in their bloodstream and on the local weather.

"I have gotten a lot of communications from people who are concerned and there has been a sense that no one has been doing anything for them to address those concerns,” she told the Havasu News. “I can’t do field tests on the water, but I can connect them to the people who do.”

Those who ascribe to the chemtrail conspiracy theory believe the wispy clouds that trail behind flying jets, which are really just frozen water vapor, are chemical agents sprayed deliberately by the government to control the weather or cause health problems in the population.

The scientific community says that's all bunk. The communications director for Arizona's Department of Environmental Quality, Mark Shaffer, told the Havasu News that his department regularly fields inquiries from Arizona residents concerned about chemtrails.

"Our standard response has been that there is no credible scientific evidence about chemical spraying or geoengineering," he told the newspaper.

Ward, who gave an anti-government speech in support of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy back in April, told the Havasu News that she's confident there are no issues with local air and water quality. But she wants the ADEQ to reassure constituents who believe that the government may be altering those resources or the weather through chemtrails.

“Every time they do chemtrailing there is some dramatic change in the weather. I noticed it this weekend and then it got very windy,” Havasu County resident Jennifer Cramer told the newspaper. “I’m not a scientist and I don’t know what’s in the (chemtrails). I think we have a right to know instead of worry about it every day.”

The hearing is scheduled for Wednesday at 5 p.m. local time at the Board of Supervisors Auditorium in Kingman, Ariz.


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1 posted on 06/23/2014 8:03:28 AM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec

Most residents of Lake Havasu City moved there from California. That explains a lot.


2 posted on 06/23/2014 8:05:21 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

One friend of mine believes in chemtrails. I told her that chemtrails increase a person’s gullibility.

sigh...


3 posted on 06/23/2014 8:06:54 AM PDT by Loud Mime (arguetheconstitution.com Check it out.)
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To: Loud Mime

I have several friends who believe in them. I struggle to understand why anyone would believe this particular theory as opposed to something more “realistic”.


4 posted on 06/23/2014 8:09:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

It’s not just in the sky. In Florida, I notice white foam in the water after boats pass by. It even raises and lowers the water along the shore in a rhythmic pattern for a couple of minutes.


5 posted on 06/23/2014 8:13:12 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: PoloSec

I worked on aircraft in the 1960s and there were no chemicals in the condensate trails.

One person did point out to me that there was a trail AHEAD of the aircraft that looked like a sight blue streak. He said it was from the nose radar. On the ground, I’ve seen that blue streak ahead of quite a few aircraft.


6 posted on 06/23/2014 8:14:49 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

FROM the ground, I’ve seen that blue streak.


7 posted on 06/23/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Gadsden1st

LOL well done.


8 posted on 06/23/2014 8:16:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: PoloSec

It seems like it would be pretty easy to fly another plane through a contrail, take samples and find its chemical makeup. Or would facts just screw up the conspiracy theory?


9 posted on 06/23/2014 8:22:56 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: Gadsden1st

The first major nutty conspiracy theory I remember was the “We didn’t go to the moon” theory. All of the subsequent theories follow that same type of logic. They cannot prove they are right so they focusing on proving everyone else is wrong.


10 posted on 06/23/2014 8:25:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: KarlInOhio

There have been extensive studies done. At most they found the particulate matter you would expect to find in burned jet fuel.


11 posted on 06/23/2014 8:25:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: PoloSec

It has been my opinion for years that this is a real phenomenon.

It has been my opinion for years that there is a certain percentage of the population that reacts with knee jerk ridicule whenever this subject, and the people who “believe” it, is brought up for discussion.

It is currently my opinion that there are many such people here on FR.

To anyone here who falls into that category, let me say the following: While I think the intention behind the phenomenon, and any possible negative effects it causes, are both still in the realm of conjecture, any simpleton can observe the the phenomenon - routinely and prominently occurring in plain view in many locations - and determine that these are not simply contrails occurring within normal air traffic routes. Look up, and study it for yourself, reflect soberly on what our government has been engaged in repeatedly over the past few decades, and only then dismiss it and the people who are concerned.

Flame away if you must.


12 posted on 06/23/2014 8:26:21 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Someone did.

But the results disappeared mysteriously. All evidence that the test took place vanished.

Bum..bum..bumbum.


13 posted on 06/23/2014 8:26:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Gadsden1st

You should start a web site and collect eyewitness stories from around the globe, on that disturbing theory.


14 posted on 06/23/2014 8:28:03 AM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: dagogo redux

All I see are contrails from airplanes. The same contrails that were seen over Europe in WW2.

So why do you think the government is spraying you? What is their purpose?


15 posted on 06/23/2014 8:28:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: PoloSec

I guess the folks who listen to Alex and C2C will all show up


16 posted on 06/23/2014 8:31:16 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Loud Mime

good response


17 posted on 06/23/2014 8:31:42 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: AppyPappy

I work outdoors and I’ve seen it.

If you have an understanding of 8th grade science you can figure it out in a matter of minutes.

The timing of the vapor trail is what is important.

It has to be late in the afternoon about 4:30-5:00.

The temp has to be hot with high humidity and no wind.

The plane(s) have to be flying from east to west almost directly into the sun.

The plane leaves a vapor trail and because of the time of day the sunlight hits the vapor trail at an angle and reflects off, cooling the air under the vapor trail.

The hot moist air then gets pulled up and into the cooler air.

Because of the amount of moisture in the air the vapor trail gets darker.

The darker it gets the faster the air cools under it and the faster the hot moist air gets pulled into it.

You can get yourself a pretty violent little storm from it.


18 posted on 06/23/2014 8:37:10 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: AppyPappy

I think a lot of it stems from the fact that the government in general has been getting more an more malignant towards the citizenry,

so why wouldn’t they do something like this?

I don’t believe that they are actually doing it, but it certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibility of what they WOULD do to us.


19 posted on 06/23/2014 8:39:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: dagogo redux
Do you think it is related to what is going on in the water around here? I think it is related to global warming because I see it more behind power boats and ski-doos, not so much behind sail boats using the wind, kayaks or stand-up paddlers.
20 posted on 06/23/2014 8:42:12 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: dagogo redux

I suspect crooked airport personnel allowing crooked waste disposal operators to dump toxic waste into JP8 tanks. Not enough to significantly affect combustibility but enough to create a toxic exhaust plume.


21 posted on 06/23/2014 8:52:11 AM PDT by Justa
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To: PoloSec

Anybody standing in an open space around here will see spraying almost daily. Some days, the tic TAC toe patterns that eventually puff out or trail visible streams of microscopic particles stretch over large areas

These “clouds” may dissipate relatively quickly, but I have seen it take much longer and then sometimes , they do not fade away, they all get carried inland over the Central Valley.

To those who laugh, go ahead, the dinosaurs laughed at asteroids.

The term is Geoengineering.. Meant to alter the atmosphere by injecting stuff into it over areas you wish to ‘control’ for whatever reasons.. Reflect more heat back into space, artificially. Folks like bill Gates supports it, almost every climate change guru is onboard as well as many high gubamint officials worldwide and the UN too.

YEah, just keep ignoring it, it’ll go away. It’s just some wispy clouds after all. d;-)


22 posted on 06/23/2014 8:57:48 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: AppyPappy

Yep, just contrails and contrail shadows.

The shadows are what people see ahead of the planes when the sun angle and conditions are right.

I have been battling chemtrail believers for a very long time.

There’s a book written in 1942 by a fighter pilot that describes in detail the contrails made by his plane, and how they behave and how they sometimes last a long time.


23 posted on 06/23/2014 8:58:39 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

From the book “Flight To Arras” by Antoine de Saint Exupery, written in 1942 about a military mission in 1940:
_______________________
“Are the anti-aircraft firing, Dutertre?”
“I believe they are firing, Captain.”

Dutertre cannot tell. The bursts are too distant and the smoke is blended in with the ground. They cannot hope to bring us down by such vague firing. At thirty three thousand feet we are virtually invulnerable. They are firing in order to gauge our position, and probably also to guide the fighter groups towards us. A fighter group diluted in the sky like invisible dust.

The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.

The fighters are guided towards us by their radio, by the bursts on the ground, and by the ostentatious luxury of our white scarf. Nevertheless we swim in an emptiness almost interplanetary. Everything around us and within us is total immobility.”


24 posted on 06/23/2014 8:59:33 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: PoloSec

Looks like our fiendish sign nailer got some results. Very unfortunate.


25 posted on 06/23/2014 9:01:55 AM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I spend a lot of time outdoors also. My buddy and I are big sky watchers. Based on the contrails left by planes it’s pretty easy, especially during drier times, to predict rain.

A lot of people who believe in chemtrails see cause and effect.

I believe that when the contrails are more pronounced and last longer that the atmosphere is ripe for rain.


26 posted on 06/23/2014 9:03:47 AM PDT by saleman
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


27 posted on 06/23/2014 9:04:55 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


28 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:01 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


29 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:02 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:02 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


31 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:02 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


32 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:02 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


34 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


35 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


36 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:04 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


37 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:04 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


38 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:04 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


39 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:04 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


40 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


41 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


42 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


43 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:05 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


44 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:06 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


45 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:06 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


46 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:06 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


47 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:06 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: PoloSec

Believe me if the government could control the weather it would be snowing in July and 87 degrees in January, because government is incapable of doing things without screwing them up.


48 posted on 06/23/2014 9:05:07 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ
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49 posted on 06/23/2014 9:08:14 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: The Great RJ

You must be posting from a government computer...how else to explain all of those multiple posts you just made? Hehehe.


50 posted on 06/23/2014 9:09:43 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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