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Cops Zoom in on Jihadists
Malaysia Star ^ | Tuesday June 24, 2014 | SIRA HABIBU AND FARIK ZOLKEPLI

Posted on 06/23/2014 9:56:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway

They are Malaysians with a salafi jihadist mindset and they are undergoing militant training provided by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), which is trying to conquer a large part of the Middle-East.

However, these militants may not have just the Middle-East on their minds. Their ultimate target could well be Malaysia. They may be out to topple the government and eradicate any form of secular governance.

Some who had joined ISIL are civil servants and students, including those from pondok (village) schools. Among them was a naval officer who was arrested last week.

Police realise that these militants can pose a danger to national security and are zooming in on them.

Salafi jihadists are fighting for what they believe are the true teachings of Islam as practised by their forefathers. Salaf means ancestors in Arabic.

The salafi jihadists in Malaysia aim to free the country from what they perceive as the “shackles of secularism”.

Police uncovered the participation of salafi jihadists in ISIL militant training following a crackdown on the international terror network’s recruitment drive in Malaysia.

The ISIL terror network has sent shockwaves throughout the world by their acts of deadly violence that target mainly the Shi’ite Muslims in Syria and Iraq.

A Pahang-born man has gained notoriety as the first Malaysian suicide bomber in Iraq. Ahmad Tarmimi Maliki drove a military SUV filled with tonnes of explosives into the SWAT headquarters in al-Anbar last month, blowing himself up and killing 25 elite soldiers.

The bombing preceded an attack on the headquarters by ISIL commandos.

Although ISIL is not said to be targeting Malaysia, the locals undergoing ISIL militant training are acquiring combative capabilities that can enable them to pursue their agenda to eradicate secular elements in Malaysia’s administrative system.

Special Branch’s Counter Terrorism Division principal assistant director Senior Asst Comm Datuk Ayob Khan confirmed that the crackdown on suspected local militants in ISIL training exposed the involvement of followers of salafi jihadist ideology.

“The militant members whom we have interrogated are salafi jihadists.

“They strongly feel the current Malaysian Government, whom they regard as secular, can only be ousted through jihad wars.

“By right we should act before the damage is done. Under current laws that require solid evidence, we can only go on a reactive mode but by then the damage is already done,” said a former police officer well-versed in counter-terrorism operations.

Sources claimed the emergence of militants could be tackled more effectively if preventive detention laws such as the Internal Security Act (ISA) were in place.

Under the Security Offences (Special Measures) Act 2012 that replaced the ISA, the police must have solid evidence to justify detention.

There is also fear that ISIL, also known as ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Sham) might have set its sights on Malaysia as a potential target, said Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin yesterday.

“Malaysia jadi sasaran (Malaysia has become a target),” he tweeted.

His response came after retweeting @ulil tweet that read- @ulil: ISIS plan to conquer lands hitherto populated by Muslim majority and build caliphate.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; jihad; malaysia

1 posted on 06/23/2014 9:56:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“Their ultimate target could well be Malaysia.”

Oh, puh-leez!

A ten-year-old could tell you without hesitation that their ultimate target is the US and the UK.


2 posted on 06/23/2014 9:59:24 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: nickcarraway

Malaysia and Indonesia are the countries that many jihadists in Syria and Iraq call home.Fundamentalism is surging in those previously tolerant countries. The entire Islamic world is unstable as the telecommunications revolution has forced it to confront modernity. The Chinese will not view increasing instability and chaos in Malaysia and Indonesia with disinterest or detachment.


3 posted on 06/23/2014 10:07:50 PM PDT by allendale
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To: nickcarraway
Way past time to bomb or nuke these savages into oblivion...collateral damage be damned. We did the same to Germany in Dresdan, Bremen, others and worse at Hiroshimo and Nagasaki who were willing to die for their Emporer. Sound familiar? Look how placid they became and now are actually allies. Strength is all that matters to the bad guys weather some punks on the street or organized terrorists or totalitarian governments.

The Islamists all need to die every where we can find them. Kill them all, now! There will be NO dealing with these savages in the future. Do you really want to wait until they can use weapons of mass destruction?

It's way past time for Western civilization to make an example of them. Send them back to their beloved 7th Century and their f**cking goats. And when the ultimate Imman crawls out of his well according to the Koran, kill him, too. Personally, I would have no problem with bombing the hell out of Mecca and Medina. It would definitely show the Islamists that their allah is a false god.

Yes, it would fire up a billion Muslims. However, it would also show them NEVER to EVER f*ck with the United States again. They could do their little insurgent thing, but then think MOABS. We have the power - just not the will. And no, I don't think Russia, China, or Saudi Arabia would do more than complain to the United Nations. So what?

If American once again stood tall and eliminated these savages, bet the world would feel at peace.

4 posted on 06/23/2014 11:33:01 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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So you think we should become Muslims to combat Muslims? I disagree. I am not willing to abandon the U.S. and Christianity.


5 posted on 06/23/2014 11:37:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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"So you think we should become Muslims to combat Muslims?"

WTF? How could you possibly extrapolate my above message to that? Too much Jack Daniels?

6 posted on 06/23/2014 11:41:34 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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We have a long war problem with Islamists for sure, which sadly is rooted in Islam itself.

The majority of muslims are not the problem, just as the majority of Germans were not the problem -it was the Nazis. The majority of Russians were not the problem, it was the commies.

Islamists have to be kept out of power as the first priority, and governments that protect individual liberty and free speech need to be in place as the second priority.

If open, and unfettered debate over religious issues is allowed and people are free to choose without threat, Islam is doomed as a major religion.

Most muslims never get a thorough explanation of competing philosophies, and critical analysis of Islam is often punishable by death. Changing your religion to something other than Islam is also punishable by death under sharia, even if you were born muslim (as most muslims are) and never had a choice.

If people were freed from such coercion and censorship long enough to be confident, they would leave Islam in droves.


7 posted on 06/24/2014 12:10:02 AM PDT by BeauBo
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"If open, and unfettered debate over religious issues is allowed and people are free to choose without threat, Islam is doomed as a major religion.;

Sorry Islam will never be doomed no matter much we celibrate their purple finges.

"Most muslims never get a thorough explanation of competing philosophies, and critical analysis of Islam is often punishable by death. Changing your religion to something other than Islam is also punishable by death under sharia, even if you were born muslim (as most muslims are) and never had a choice.

Your kidding, right? Muslims are indoctrinated from youth to kill and destoy Western civilization. Yes, changing your religion to Christianity is the worse on the Jihadist's agenda.

"If people were freed from such coercion and censorship long enough to be confident, they would leave Islam in droves."

Nice thought, but you are dreaming. Islam is an all-encommasing theorcratical/polictico system. The Cristians have tried it and been slaughter every day in the ME and North Agrica. There is simply no reasoning with these Jihadist barbarians. And where is Obambi, the State Department, the UN?

8 posted on 06/24/2014 1:16:35 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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I think that whatever side is losing should be in line for our support. By support I mean ammunition and weapons. Then when they start winning we should pump up the other side until they kill each other down to manageable numbers. That would save us from doing so much killing.


9 posted on 06/24/2014 10:11:05 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: A Navy Vet

A minority of muslims terrorize the rest. They subject them to totalitarian cencorship and indoctrination. They lie about Chrisitianity and any other alternative to Islam. Just like a minority of Nazis coerced and brainwashed the bulk of the German population, and the communist minority terrorized, censored and indoctrinated the bulk of the Russian population. Remove the coercion, censorship and indoctrination, and things will change.

Do you think that they would be as numerous without such coercion?

Sheik Qaradawi, the most famous Islamic preacher in the Arabic-speaking world due to his show on al Jezeera, stated last year that without the death penalty for muslims who change religion (apostasy), Islam would cease to exist.

From the outside, we see disciplned obediance. From the the inside, they feel the constant heat of enforcing discipline, defending the indefensible, finding ways to lie and coerce, even their own beloved innocent children. They often feel the conflict.

That is why they place a high priority on getting blasphemy laws in place, and make it punishable by death to criticize (insult, they call it) the prophet. Islam can’t stand up to a critical look. They have a massive ideological vulnerability.

Muhammed led what would today be called a life of crime - robbing caravans, conducting slave raids, etc. There are numerous obvious errors and contradictions in his teachings, such as the so-called satanic verses, where he issued divine revelation, and then retracted them when he got too much push back. One of them was recognizing three additional dieties, another was a divine command that everyone pay a hefty cash fee to talk with Muhammed. Muhammed performed no miracles, but is reported to have engaged in acts now deemed perverse, like incest, sex with minors (Aisha, his favorite wife, was married around six and supposedly consumated around nine) as well as the rape of slaves (Rayhana was reported raped by Muhammed the same day that he had her husband and father executed, when he consolidated control of Medina).

They need censorship and self-censorship through terror to prevent the bulk of their population from getting wise to how shallow it really is. Of course, there will be schools of Islam which will continue to survive and prosper, but for most people it will require a broader and more defensible basis, like Sufism, less prone to aggression, as Islam has ebbed and flowed through history.

If the doors are really open to consequence-free abandonment of Islam, I believe that there would be a mass exodus over the course of a generation. It is a fundamentally flawed co-option of religion, created to serve as the basis of authority for a would be warlord and totalitarian dictator.

I have direct experience with many Muslims, having lived in Saudi Arabia (Gulf War), Iraq and Afghanistan. I could see people nervously being careful what they say about Islam, like they were talking about communism in the old Soviet Union. At the time, Saudi Arabia had the largest percentage of their population devoted to monitoring the rest of the population, of any country on earth (China was second). The media was as extremely biased as Pravda or Izvestia ever were. I know and have known many muslims who just go through the motions to keep out of trouble.

Admittedly, family pressures and customs will have long lasting influence, but if regimes were in place that strogly protected open debate and criticism, it would be an existential crisis for the Islamists.

There is no single silver bullet for the problem of Islamist aggression and terrorism, but the ideological contest is a big element. Islamists can only really compete in this contest by cheating in the most extreme ways.


10 posted on 06/24/2014 12:27:12 PM PDT by BeauBo
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"I have direct experience with many Muslims, having lived in Saudi Arabia (Gulf War), Iraq and Afghanistan. I could see people nervously being careful what they say about Islam, like they were talking about communism in the old Soviet Union. At the time, Saudi Arabia had the largest percentage of their population devoted to monitoring the rest of the population, of any country on earth (China was second). The media was as extremely biased as Pravda or Izvestia ever were. I know and have known many muslims who just go through the motions to keep out of trouble."

Ok, so those "moderate" muslims in muslim countries are afraid to speak out. What about the rest of the free world? Where are the moderate muslims speaking out against the atrocities that occur every day in the name allah? Where are they? They should be speaking about the countless rapes, murders, female mutilation, female oppression, etc. Where are they?

"Admittedly, family pressures and customs will have long lasting influence, but if regimes were in place that strogly protected open debate and criticism, it would be an existential crisis for the Islamists."

So what was the purpose of democracy building in Iraq, which they obviously can't keep with given to them on a silver platter (the blood of our children)?

"There is no single silver bullet for the problem of Islamist aggression and terrorism, but the ideological contest is a big element. Islamists can only really compete in this contest by cheating in the most extreme ways."

Hell yes there is a single bullet! We used it in Japan - many other bullets in Germany. Now Japan's Emperor and Hitler (god wannabes) are nothing but a stain on human history.

Sorry, but we have many single bullets that could teach the current totalitarians huge lessons. We didn't care about collateral damage in WWI and WWII and won both of those wars. And believe me, THIS IS A WAR. The battle lines may not be as strickly drawn, but it IS a war between liberty and just one more totalitarian entity, although now it's about a stupid religion rather than nationality and/or race.

Kill Mecca. Show them their god is false. Let the billion rise up in protest and kill them, also. I just want my grand-children to live in peace.

11 posted on 06/24/2014 6:52:54 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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