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Rep. Gowdy tells the IRS why destroying evidence is bad
Human Events ^ | June 24, 2014 | John Hayward

Posted on 06/24/2014 6:56:46 AM PDT by don-o

The trick to keeping up with Obama scandals is to avoid letting today’s history-shredding world-in-flames foreign-policy disaster distract you from yesterday’s crisis of administrative incompetence and bureaucratic looting at the VA, or the abuse of power at the IRS before that. It’s interesting how the concept of “scandal fatigue” only bubbles from the media’s imagination during Democrat Administrations. Under Republicans, they link all the scandals together into a narrative, where they reinforce each other; a straight line would be drawn from Obama laughing about the lack of shovel-ready jobs in his trillion-dollar “stimulus” to Obama trying to wave off the VA scandal, or his White House pushing the myth about rogue low-level employees in Cincinnati being responsible for the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

But Obama’s press has grown, at worst, slightly exasperated with the endless cavalcade of ineptitude and fishy behavior pouring out of his White House. They let each new scandal reset the game board and erase whatever came before. Six years in, with Obama cratering in the polls, they’re starting to write stories about how exhausting all the Congressional hearings and searing agency audits are.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: irs

1 posted on 06/24/2014 6:56:46 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Spammin your thread.

This morning’s IRS hearing is live now. White House attorney and an archivist from the National Archives and Records Administration to testify.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?320133-1/missing-irs-emails


2 posted on 06/24/2014 6:57:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: don-o

I would like to thank South Carolina for sending Mr. Trey Gowdy to us.

Dear US House of Representatives:
Pay attention to Mr. Gowdy. This is how an AMERICAN behaves.


3 posted on 06/24/2014 7:03:08 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: don-o

Wait until he begins his Benghazi investigation. Then he will really see how this administration shamelessly destroys evidence, lies and coerces witnesses.


4 posted on 06/24/2014 7:05:30 AM PDT by allendale
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To: don-o

Gowdy kicked some serious IRS butt. Compare & contrast to Issas’ questionings. Discuss. I’ve been pointing this out: Amateur lawyers (Issa) destroy their cases by arguing nonlinearly, nondirectionally, nonconclusively.

You want that speechless pause at the end of the questioning. That’s when you know.


5 posted on 06/24/2014 7:05:42 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: don-o

In MY dinky little job, I can’t even ARCHIVE data, much less DESTROY records at my own discretion.

It has to go to God and all his disciples before we get the OK to remove data... anywhere!!!


7 posted on 06/24/2014 7:09:40 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Well said!

_________________

Issa , Mike Rogers and Boehner all talk the talk, but refuse to walk the walk, they are not good for America.

They all whine and moan about being stonewalled by the Commie Obama Administration, but NOTHING effective happens, except for the formation of the Benghazi Committee under Trey Gowdy.

The House RINOs had their chance for OVER FOUR YEARS and have done NOTHING, proving that they are not good for America, PERIOD!

It is time to mow down the not good in the House, ASAP!


8 posted on 06/24/2014 7:10:03 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Cummings should win an Oscar for his dramatic tearful defense of the poor oppressed IRS last night.

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9 posted on 06/24/2014 7:10:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: don-o

Gowdy for president!


10 posted on 06/24/2014 7:14:30 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: don-o

Seems they would want to question the IT people to confirm the crash.


11 posted on 06/24/2014 7:17:37 AM PDT by boycott
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To: don-o

I’m reminded of what Jimmy Hoffa said about the Watergate Tapes.

He said if he was the President he would burn the tapes and tell the investigators to get used to it.


12 posted on 06/24/2014 7:19:20 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: don-o

Gouty kicked his a$$!


13 posted on 06/24/2014 7:26:13 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: don-o

Lois Lerner took an ax
and gave her hard drive forty whacks,
and when she saw what she had done,
she gave six others forty one.

And yet some backups did exist,
so carefully she made a list.
So when she found them, she was not slow,
To give those too the old heave ho.


14 posted on 06/24/2014 7:29:55 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: don-o

The important point Gowdy was making is that if evidence is under subpoena, and it gets destroyed, then a jury can infer that the evidence would have been detrimental to the person who destroyed it, and use that inference in deciding the case. Not only is it a bad idea, it can be a separate CRIMINAL charge. It looks like it took Koskinen a while to understand Gowdy’s explanation.


15 posted on 06/24/2014 7:32:41 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Edward Teach

Great. Copied to Live Thread with a ping.


16 posted on 06/24/2014 7:33:03 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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Issa looks like Sollozo at times.


17 posted on 06/24/2014 7:33:14 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

this is the tipping point.

At the very least there had better be a special prosecutor appointed to this case, or I don’t think the USA can survive. If they get away with this, there is no end in sight in abuse of power. It will continue, get larger, more abusive....


18 posted on 06/24/2014 7:41:45 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: Chuzzlewit

The abuse of power, and the abuse of citizens has exploded and it must be stopped somehow. The ultimate answer is for the House to stop funding the abusers. But I am not holding my breath.


19 posted on 06/24/2014 7:44:26 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Chuzzlewit

There are a bunch of people in America that need to be slapped out of their slumber with regard to the “ruling class” and their abuses of power over “the governed”, whom are supposed to provide consent to the governors.


20 posted on 06/24/2014 7:47:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: don-o
Nixon 18 minutes missing on a tape - your out of here. Obobo two years of missing IRS emails - not a big deal. I think the emails are in the same place as the birth certificate, school record and other magic records.
21 posted on 06/24/2014 7:48:16 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: NFHale
I would like to thank South Carolina for sending Mr. Trey Gowdy to us.

But they still gave us Miss Lyndsey, so its a wash.
22 posted on 06/24/2014 7:48:33 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Gowdy kicked some serious IRS butt.
Didn't see it but if there was neither blood on the walls, nor calls for medical help, Gowdy didn't kick hard enough.
23 posted on 06/24/2014 7:50:22 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Old Yeller

RE Lindsay:

In the grand scheme of things, I think Mr. Gowdy’s capacity to cause the other side damage outweighs Lindsay’s fecklessness.

We’ll see how it turns out. I think Mr. Gowdy would make an excellent President.


24 posted on 06/24/2014 7:55:07 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Enterprise
Issa looks like Sollozo at times.

he does!

25 posted on 06/24/2014 8:00:48 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: All

Trey Gowdy for President!

How can the same state send us both him and Linda?


26 posted on 06/24/2014 8:09:42 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Edward Teach

Bookmarked


27 posted on 06/24/2014 8:10:36 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee, welcome home we missed you! ~ Þ)
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To: cripplecreek
Embarrassingly shameless.
28 posted on 06/24/2014 8:11:37 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: oh8eleven

On YouTube, look for “Gowdy Koskinen”.

Wrt immediate result, keep in mind that Gowdy has not been prominent in the IRS hearings, rather he has been appointed hatchetman on the Benghazi hearings. I *think* he may have conducted a round of Q’s on the IRS several weeks or even months ago....but that was before this utterly ridiculous “every hard drive we have crashed” piece of stupidity. Otherwise it’s been Issa = amateur lawyer.

Difference = gargantuan. This only happened yesterday.

I wrote Issa and told him to quit being a pretend lawyer and get Gowdy on it. In my imagination, maybe it did some good.

I completely concur with your take that “nothing is happening” in these hearings, and I share your impatience. But....all I can say is, if you’ve seen any Issa questionings, go look at Gowdy ream this guy good. It will warm your heart, LOL.


29 posted on 06/24/2014 8:13:45 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: MileHi

My congressman (Walberg) nailed the Archivist to the wall. He asked if he knew that federal agencies are required to report lost or destroyed records to the National Archive. The Archivist said yes.

Walberg. So the IRS broke the law by failing to report to you?

Archivist. I’m not a lawyer.

Walberg. Did the IRS comply with the law?

Archivist. No.


30 posted on 06/24/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

This mfer is guilty as sin.


31 posted on 06/24/2014 8:16:41 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: cripplecreek

Nice!

You really have to be diligently practicing your victimization chops to try to gain victim status for the IRS. That’s a new one on me.


32 posted on 06/24/2014 8:22:19 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: cripplecreek

Start threatening these pukes with real prosecution, jail, no bail, trial (plea bargain for higher ups) prison and loss of pension...start with the commish and Lerner and keep going...scorch those smug liars...then overhaul the IRS..purge all upper management...they are there to collect tax revenues...not to politically attack legitimate citizens.


33 posted on 06/24/2014 8:24:27 AM PDT by databoss
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To: databoss

Start threatening these pukes with real prosecution, jail, no bail, trial (plea bargain for higher ups) prison and loss of pension...start with the commish and Lerner and keep going...scorch those smug liars...then overhaul the IRS..purge all upper management...they are there to collect tax revenues...not to politically attack legitimate citizens.


Don’t only do the IRS. This stuff is going on everywhere: EPA and HHS to name just a few — but every agency is doing it. Congress needs to impeach corrupt members of the administration now. Until that happens, we will only get more of this behavior.

The should also cut the purse strings now! How can you trust them with the money?

But, it is all theater....Republicans don’t have it in them despite a few in the minority.


34 posted on 06/24/2014 8:39:16 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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To: Geoffrey
Don’t only do the IRS. This stuff is going on everywhere: EPA and HHS to name just a few — but every agency is doing it.

Ain't nuffin' gonna happen as long as Holder's running the DoJ. Then again, I'm sure that O'Blamer would find another crony (Kamala Harris?) who would be just as bad.

35 posted on 06/24/2014 8:42:17 AM PDT by ssaftler (I am both ashamed and afraid of my government, Federal AND State. Local not far behind...)
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To: ssaftler

Ain’t nuffin’ gonna happen as long as Holder’s running the DoJ.


The House can act without going to the DOJ. Impeachment. Funding. House controls it, and they need to act.

But they won’t.


36 posted on 06/24/2014 8:45:30 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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To: don-o
Ewwww Weee! I like this Trey Gowdy fella.

What a bull dog and has his facts all lined out and meticulously pulls the layers back throughout his questioning.

If he is on it...bet’cha someday, someone will take the fall for all this IRS crap.

37 posted on 06/24/2014 8:47:16 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: I want the USA back
Gowdy for president!

I'd like to see him as Attorney General. After Holder leaves, we're going to have to have a complete overhaul of the "Just Us" Department. and Gowdy's got the personal courage to make the necessary changes.

38 posted on 06/24/2014 8:56:54 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Enterprise

> The ultimate answer is for the House to stop funding the abusers.

There is an actual 15% cut in next years budget...


39 posted on 06/24/2014 9:05:41 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Edward Teach

LOL!


40 posted on 06/24/2014 9:16:40 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: glorgau

“There is an actual 15% cut in next years budget...”

Now wait a minute, is it a cut in the increase? A cut to the parasites? Cut to defense?


41 posted on 06/24/2014 9:22:05 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: NFHale

“I would like to thank South Carolina for sending Mr. Trey Gowdy to us.”

You are so right, if we had a few more Trey Gowdys and Ted Cruzs, maybe we could get things done and get back on the path we should be on.


42 posted on 06/24/2014 11:25:39 AM PDT by depenzz ("it isn't a chance you take, its a choice you make")
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To: don-o
Either we’re looking a crude but effective cover-up, or the IRS is so supremely arrogant that it regards congressional oversight as a joke...

I'm opting for "both of above". The testimony amounts to "sure, we destroyed the evidence you subpoenaed. So what?"

43 posted on 06/24/2014 11:33:59 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: depenzz

Gowdy is amazing.

Love the Pit Bull attitude he’s got when dealing with these criminal folk in the alphabet agencies.


44 posted on 06/24/2014 11:43:50 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Edward Teach

That was great! Did you come up with it?


45 posted on 06/24/2014 12:11:38 PM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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