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Mormons oust Ordain Women's Kate Kelly over women priests
BBC ^ | June 23 2014 | BBC

Posted on 06/24/2014 7:28:37 AM PDT by PoloSec

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has excommunicated a prominent backer of ordination of women priests, her advocacy group has said.

Kate Kelly, founder of Ordain Women, was notified of the ruling on Monday, a day after a trial by judges in the Mormon Church, Ordain Women said.

The group said the Mormon Church hierarchy deemed her an apostate for her contravention of Church doctrine.

The Utah-based Mormon religion boasts more than 15 million members worldwide.

According to a letter informing her of her excommunication obtained by the Deseret News, a leading Utah newspaper, Ms Kelly will be barred from some acts of church worship for at least a year.

"You are entitled to your views, but you are not entitled to promote them and proselyte others to them while remaining in full fellowship in the Church," wrote Bishop Mark Harrison of Virginia.

She can be readmitted to the fold if she shows "true repentance", including ceasing "teachings and actions that undermine the Church, its leaders, and the doctrine of the priesthood", he wrote. 'Tragic day'

Ms Kelly said the church's decision, taken by an all-male panel of judges, was "exceptionally painful".

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Well...it is news

Just saying!

1 posted on 06/24/2014 7:28:37 AM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec
"You are entitled to your views, but you are not entitled to promote them and proselyte others to them while remaining in full fellowship in the Church," wrote Bishop Mark Harrison of Virginia.

Damn, how I wish the Catholic Bishops would take similar actions on abortion pushing Catholic congress critters too numerous to even list here.

2 posted on 06/24/2014 7:35:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Well said. If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.


3 posted on 06/24/2014 7:37:39 AM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: PoloSec
For those who would not otherwise know what the phrase "barred from some acts of church worship" means, it means that she would not be allowed to offer the opening or closing prayer at a Church meeting, to teach a class, or to give a talk in Sacrament Meeting. OTOH, the standard language and procedure would be for her to be invited to come to all Church meetings. If, at the end of one year she met with her bishop and stake president and agreed to support all Church teachings, her excommunication could be reversed through re-baptism. That, at least, was the procedure when I was involved in such events.
4 posted on 06/24/2014 7:50:18 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: PoloSec

Why is this news?


5 posted on 06/24/2014 7:59:10 AM PDT by yetidog
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To: PoloSec

It their church....


6 posted on 06/24/2014 8:19:33 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: yetidog
Why is this news?

news: noun, newly received or noteworthy information, especially about recent or important events.

Knowledge is good.

7 posted on 06/24/2014 8:20:44 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: PoloSec
Kate's parents were disciplined, too.

Time for another September Six? Rock Waterman? John Dehlin? (Denver Snuffer's gone already).

All this while the bullet-proof Tom Phillips has never been ex-d and has not resigned.

8 posted on 06/24/2014 8:28:33 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: laotzu

newly received or noteworthy information, especially about recent or important events.

noteworthy to whom?
important why?

Maybe if you are Mormon. Lots more going out there that is far more significant...especially to us non-LDS folks.


9 posted on 06/24/2014 8:30:21 AM PDT by yetidog
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To: Pecos

So basically, she gets out of doing work.


10 posted on 06/24/2014 8:32:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: yetidog
noteworthy to whom?

Only you, yetidog....only you.

11 posted on 06/24/2014 8:42:06 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Pecos; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom; ...
For those who would not otherwise know what the phrase "barred from some acts of church worship" means, it means that she would not be allowed to offer the opening or closing prayer at a Church meeting, to teach a class, or to give a talk in Sacrament Meeting. OTOH, the standard language and procedure would be for her to be invited to come to all Church meetings.

I notice the careful omission from your post that excommunication includes revoking of Kelly's "temple recommend"...barring her from the arcane rituals that mormonism claims is necessary for salvation.

Her parents, long time faithful members had THEIR "recommends" revoked for the simple act of supporting their daughter.

Note: Article 3 of the mormon creed, "Articles of Faith" states 'We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel." Plainly stating that salvation can ONLY be gained by taking part in arcane temple rituals. The LDS Endowment

Kelly's man-determined punishment according to mormon doctrine, closes the door for her to attain mormon "salvation".

There is NO such thing in mormonism as a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ". The gatekeepers of the sect consider themselves to be in control of eternal salvation. The mislead members blindly allow this intervention by men's rules between Jesus Christ and themselves.

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by Joseph Smith; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him." -1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142, Apostle George Q. Cannon.

This so-called "authority" received by Joseph Smith is described at the LDS.org website Link in this manner: Through the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood, Church leaders guide the Church and direct the preaching of the gospel throughout the world. In the ordinances of the Melchizedek Priesthood, “the power of godliness is manifest” (D&C 84:20). This greater priesthood was given to Adam and has been on the earth whenever the Lord has revealed His gospel. It was taken from the earth during the Great Apostasy, but it was restored in 1829, when the Apostles Peter, James, and John conferred it upon Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery.

12 posted on 06/24/2014 9:40:23 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Valerie Jarrett warned us they would "get even with those who opposed them"..)
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To: PoloSec

What a totally un-American and unConstitutional thing to do to this poor woman...


13 posted on 06/24/2014 9:43:57 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

temple recommend was the first thing I thought of..

as its the first consideration and the pass to the Mormon temple rituals it would be the most important item a Mormon would have in their possession..

To be denied a temple recommend means she cannot got o the Mormon temple for the Mormon style Freemasonry rites which Mormons claim are necessary to enter the Mormon afterlife when she dies..

Although these pagan rituals are totally unBibical the Mormonism company CEOs keep their members in fear of the Mormon hell by forcing them to pay club dues of 10% of their income to the Mormon Mafia which only doles out 1% of this protection money to needy Mormons in the form of loans...

1% of the MILLIONS the Mormons coerce and extort form their members every year take in every year is peanuts compared to the amount of charity that Christian churches give freely, but then the Mormon company is not a charity but a business..

A Mormon bishop named Willard Mitt Romney once boasted that he was responsible for the “ceiling” being cracked by women in employment etc.. He claimed he was all for equality of the sexes but that was back in 1992...Since then he has done nothing or little to back up his big words said during a debate for US Senate.. I wonder if Willard will champion his fellow Mormon in her struggle...

What shes not male ???

Oh well then never mind..

However after the fact Willard did claim in 1978 that he had been pulling all along for black men to get the Mormon priesthood and indeed he did say he pulled over to the side of the road and cried buckets when it was announced on the radio that the Mormon gods had changed their confused minds and now black men could be priests..

So who knows what he will do when the Mormons gods change their minds and let women also have the Mormon priesthood..which is coming up sometime in the future...

Right now all males whether straight or homosexual can be a Mormon priesthood holder..so since sinning males can be without being excommunicated why not innocent Mormon women who are living the WOW ???


14 posted on 06/24/2014 10:08:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana

” . . . a trial by judges in the Mormon Church”


Nope. No legalism here. Nope!

Shut up sister! Come back in a year when you have shown yourself worthy to the men in charge.


15 posted on 06/24/2014 10:48:46 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: greyfoxx39; teppe; staytrue
...barring her from the arcane rituals that mormonism claims is necessary for salvation.

Don't you mean FULL salvation?

After all; only about 15% or so of all Mormons will have a valid TR at the time of death.

Those OTHER poor souls will be STUCK on Level Two with the REST of us Protestants and Catholics who haven't taken advantage of the Mormon Religious Organization's offer.

Only Level One folks (think VALID TR's) will be in Heaven, WHERE GOD THE FATHER DWELLS, for eternity.

16 posted on 06/24/2014 11:46:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39; teppe; staytrue
Only Level One folks (think VALID TR's) will be in Heaven, WHERE GOD THE FATHER DWELLS, for eternity.


HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):


17 posted on 06/24/2014 11:49:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PoloSec

Oooops!

http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=1171

18 posted on 06/24/2014 11:50:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Her parents, long time faithful members had THEIR "recommends" revoked for the simple act of supporting their daughter.

HMMMmmm...

Sumthin' got RETAINED!!


John 20:23
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."

19 posted on 06/24/2014 11:53:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

TN; you left out un-Christian; too!


20 posted on 06/24/2014 11:53:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: freedomlover
” . . . a trial by judges in the Mormon Church”

Coulda been worse...





21 posted on 06/24/2014 11:56:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
He will be a god,

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


22 posted on 06/24/2014 11:57:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Scoutmaster

The total count is up to 12 - this is another September six -a purge of anyone who doesn’t agree with their control. This is not Christian behavior it is cult control. I know many of these people personally and they really do believe and there is precedence for agitating for change in Mormonism and getting it.

The reason Tom has not been ex’d is because he has had the ‘second anointing’ a top-secret ritual that guarantees (seals) your godhood on you.


23 posted on 06/24/2014 12:42:23 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: Elsie
http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=1171

That's Chapter 17 from Maxine Hanks' 1992 edited book, Women and Authority: Re-emerging Mormon Feminism. Hanks was ex'd as one of the September Six.

Chapter 17 is Quinn's intensely footnoted (heck, the 106 detailed footnotes are longer than the article) short article, Mormon Women Have Had the Priesthood Since 1843.

Quinn, of course, was ex'd as one of the September Six primarily for his publication of work on post-Manifesto polygamous marriages.

Kelly may have been ex'd, but she certainly had history on her side.

24 posted on 06/24/2014 12:47:30 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: reaganaut
Yes, Tom Phillips has had his Calling and Election Made Sure - he's written and spoken about the experience along with others - but I don't believe Tom Dehlin has.

I support Dehlin more than anyone out of this new group; his work is outstanding and presents opposing views.

Rock Waterman seems like a nice guy and I enjoy his work, but I've never accepted his "Joseph Smith, Jr. wasn't a polygamist" argument. I'm not certain, but I don't even remember Denver Snuffer making that argument.

25 posted on 06/24/2014 12:54:50 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; Holly_P; MHGinTN; narses; ...

Holy underwear Batman!

You evil Inmans need to take a good look at what the terrible woman was doing and why it so mightily and rightly upset the righteous Saints.

Essentially, she was demanding that women should not be denied the priesthood, or in other words, they be treated as equal to men.

Think of it!

This loathsome woman was asking for Sacred Vessels to get their own planet and celestial harem when they reached the afterlife. How is that going to work for their gaggle of studs who have been promised an eternal orgy? How would you like to keep all those commandments like abstaining from alcohol, tithing and wearing magic garments for naught?

You can't possibly expect for Prophet to discover that Joseph and Brigham were wrong, that sacred scripture needs to be rewritten, and that 200 years of Church doctrine needed to be overturned, like they did when they decided to admit Blacks to the Priesthood, can you? At least not without a powerful incentive such as the threat of loss of their tax exempt status for their business empire.

Shame on you all for criticizing the delightsome Saint Leaders on this matter!

26 posted on 06/24/2014 1:33:39 PM PDT by Zakeet (If taxes on cigarettes deter smoking, do taxes on earnings deter working?)
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To: Elsie

Oh apostate that I am...


27 posted on 06/24/2014 1:42:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Pecos; Elsie; Zakeet; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; freedomlover; Scoutmaster; teppe; reaganaut; ...
For those who would not otherwise know what the phrase "barred from some acts of church worship" means, it means that she would not be allowed to offer the opening or closing prayer at a Church meeting, to teach a class, or to give a talk in Sacrament Meeting.

It also means, per Mormon Doctrine, Kelly can never live in Heavenly Father's eternal presence minus her "get into God's presence" temple recommend card (kind of like a Monopoly "get out of jail" card)...

28 posted on 06/24/2014 1:45:38 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

well sex forever with the same old smelly codger while all his other “sister wives” cat fight in the next room can get boring Im sure..

and that forever morning sickness..

and those forever stretch marks !!!!


29 posted on 06/24/2014 1:49:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Scoutmaster; All
John Dehlin?

Yup. The Mormon Elite considered Dehlin way too threatening as well and just booted him, too.

I don't agree with Dehlin's liberal social views, but he's been quite energetic in pinpointing the real historical and doctrinal (& other) objections so many Mormons are experiencing...Here's some of what I posted previously re: Dehlin:

* 400: Top 5 Myths and Truths about Why Committed Mormons Leave the Church [Lds FAIR group critiqued]
* Survey on Mormon Disbelievers to be Released at UVU Forum [74% point to theological concerns]
* Mormon Reformation (Stay) or Mormon Evacuation (Leave the Church)?? [Vanity: Links]
* Why People Leave the LDS Church, and what family/friends/community can do about it
* How to Stay in the LDS Church After a Major Trial of Faith [Internal Mormon critic]

30 posted on 06/24/2014 1:55:46 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; teppe; All
You evil Inmans need to take a good look at what the terrible woman was doing and why it so mightily and rightly upset the righteous Saints. Essentially, she was demanding that women should not be denied the priesthood, or in other words, they be treated as equal to men.

(Hey, if Mormon women were on equal terms then Emma could have taken up her few-dozen extra husbands -- as she threatened hubby Joseph Smith that she would do -- long ago)

Ya see, Zak, tis a-ok for the Mormon Elite to sleep with a LOT of women...but tsk...tsk...tsk...whenever the females clamor for the same "privileges."

31 posted on 06/24/2014 2:00:19 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Scoutmaster

John Dehlin, not Tom and no he hasn’t had the Second Annointing, neither did Kate or Rock Waterman. It is pretty rare and usually only given if you are ‘church broke’

Dehlin’s work is very good and Rock’s issue is that he believes the modern LDS church has gone astray. I do disagree with his Smith was never a polygamist.


32 posted on 06/24/2014 2:08:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: Colofornian

Dehlin hasn’t been booted yet. He is up for excommunication but the ‘court’ has been postponed until June 28th because his Stake President desired ‘de-escalation’. I think it is because they were hoping this would go away - with Kate being ex’d it won’t. I expect he, as well as Rock Waterman will also be ex’d.


33 posted on 06/24/2014 2:10:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Too bad that no one thought to ask Mitt if he would cry tears of joy when women were able to be ordained.


34 posted on 06/24/2014 2:14:40 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: yetidog

This is news because these kinds of actions rarely happen.

In a civilized world this would happen often, and would not be worthy of a news story, except perhaps within the membership of the church.


35 posted on 06/24/2014 2:17:00 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Colofornian
Ya see, Zak, tis a-ok for the Mormon Elite to sleep with a LOT of women...but tsk...tsk...tsk...whenever the females clamor for the same "privileges."

Actually, the Saint females had such privileges in Kirtland, Far West and Nauvoo.

Check the record and you'll find that the Saints were practicing polyandry as well as polygyny in those days ... especially when the male was away on mission trips.

The founders were Holy Rollers in more ways than one.

36 posted on 06/24/2014 2:18:30 PM PDT by Zakeet (If taxes on cigarettes deter smoking, do taxes on earnings deter working?)
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To: Colofornian; teppe; staytrue
(Hey, if Mormon women were on equal terms then Emma could have taken up her few-dozen extra husbands -- as she threatened hubby Joseph Smith that she would do -- long ago)


THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
 
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
 
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!          
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

37 posted on 06/24/2014 2:35:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zakeet
Check the record and you'll find ...



Polygamy: How it all got Started
 



 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!! 
  
            Can't you EVER get straight what GOD tells you???
 
          Doctrines and Covenants 49:16 Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one awife, and they twain shall be bone flesh, and all this that the cearth might answer the end of its creation;
 
 
 
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


38 posted on 06/24/2014 2:37:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; ejonesie22; Godzilla; Holly_P; MHGinTN; narses; ...
Check the record and you'll find ... Polygamy: How it all got Started

Actually, it all got started when Fanny Alger turned up pregnant with Joseph's baby. It seems that the 16-year old lass, who was living with the Smith family as their charge, had been molested by the Prophet.

Poor Joseph was in some trouble facing allegations of adultery and statutory rape. Plus, the infant would be born out of wedlock, a big deal in those days.

Then, that fine analytical mind blessed with a third grade education hit upon a brilliant solution. If Joseph were to marry the girl, then he could get merry all he wanted without consequence. You can't commit adultery with your wife, can you? You can't rape her, can you? The child won't be born a bastard, will it? Problem solved!

The scriptures you cited came almost a decade later.

39 posted on 06/24/2014 2:54:31 PM PDT by Zakeet (If taxes on cigarettes deter smoking, do taxes on earnings deter working?)
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To: reaganaut; Colofornian
Yes, John Dehlin. Sorry for the typo. And he hasn't been ex'd or disenfellowshipped because of the delay of his court.

Alan 'Rock' Waterman hasn't shut down his blog and hasn't been ex'd or d'shipped, but is certainly going out with a bang, if you've read his June 22 blog.

40 posted on 06/24/2014 4:57:45 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Pelosi, Biden. and other “Catholics” being tossed out would be news. We can only hope.


41 posted on 06/24/2014 4:59:07 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: Tennessee Nana

I think you are letting your theological objections to Mormonism color your thinking. There is nothing un-American or unconstitutional about a religious organization ex-communicating a member over a theological dispute.

Criticize their theology all you want, but they are well within their rights.


42 posted on 06/24/2014 5:53:01 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: Scoutmaster; Colofornian

John is heading for excommunication and Rock has been informed he must shut down his blog or he will be tried and he has no intention of doing so.

Others have gotten threats and resigned, or had their Temple Recommends taken away and it is driving many to resignation as well.


43 posted on 06/24/2014 8:01:29 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps; Tennessee Nana

But it isn’t theological debate, they have voilated their own Handbook of instructions in at least 12 points, lied to the public about who is behind this purge and her only ‘crime’ is not shutting up but standing for what she believes and that has historical precedent in the LDS church. She is a problem that must be silenced and they are holding eternity over her head. That is UnAmerican (there is no freedom of speech or thought in Mormonism) and very Un Christian (of course we all know Mormons aren’t Christians but they claim to be).


44 posted on 06/24/2014 8:08:10 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: freedomlover

Ha!!


45 posted on 06/24/2014 8:12:17 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps; Tennessee Nana

Now there is no freedom of speech as it relates to private organizations, however by violating their own rules (the CHoI) they are guilty of defamation, false light, and libel for falsely accusing her of several things. If this affects her ability to perform her job (as a civil rights lawyer) or has other negative impacts on her they can and should be held responsible.

BTW, in cased you missed it, the LDS church was caught lying about her and the role of the leadership in SLC in her excommunication.


46 posted on 06/24/2014 8:15:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: reaganaut

Yet John Dehlin is the co-founder of stayLDS.org, and the man behind the LDS faith-affirming A Thoughtful Faith podcasts.


47 posted on 06/25/2014 3:55:55 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Is it solipsistic in here, or is it just me?)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
There is nothing un-American or unconstitutional about a religious organization ex-communicating a member over a theological dispute.

You are absolutely RIGHT!

There is, however, something HYPOCRITICAL about it.

48 posted on 06/25/2014 5:18:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
But it isn’t theological debate, they have voilated their own Handbook of instructions in at least 12 points, lied to the public about who is behind this purge and her only ‘crime’ is not shutting up but standing for what she believes and that has historical precedent in the LDS church.

You were supposed to choose between ... un-American or unconstitutional.

49 posted on 06/25/2014 5:20:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
You were supposed to choose between ...


Logical fallacies hide the truth, so pointing them out is very useful.
 
10. False Dilemma - Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible.
Example: Did you eat the apple or the peach pie for dessert?


50 posted on 06/25/2014 5:25:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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