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Koskinen to Issa: 'I Never Said I Would Provide You Emails We Didn't Have'
cnsnews.com ^ | 6/24/14 | Susan Jones

Posted on 06/24/2014 11:13:24 AM PDT by ColdOne

CNSNews.com) - "I said I would provide all the emails. We are providing all the emails. The fact that three years ago, some of them -- not all of them, but some of them -- were not available, I never said I would provide you emails we didn't have," IRS Commissioner John Koskinen told a Monday evening hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

Frustrated Republicans and apologetic Democrats questioned Koskinen about Lois Lerner's vanished emails for several hours, beginning with Committee Chair Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who asked Koskinen if he knew those critical emails were missing when he testified before Issa's committee on March 26 -- but said nothing at the time about problems cropping up.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; chutzpah; denial; hearings; irs; irsscandals; issa; koskinen

1 posted on 06/24/2014 11:13:24 AM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Somebody needs to GO TO JAIL!


2 posted on 06/24/2014 11:14:43 AM PDT by V_TWIN (white pri)
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To: ColdOne

This ain’t goin’ away. Even liberals are talking about this all over the internet. The population may be dumbed down, but they are not that stupid. Yet...


3 posted on 06/24/2014 11:14:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: ColdOne

What term providing emails he doesn’t understand HELLO


4 posted on 06/24/2014 11:17:55 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: ColdOne

What he meant was “I never promised to provide you emails that were disappearing even as I spoke.” Destruction of evidence is one crime, but destruction of evidence after it’s been subpoenaed is quite a different thing.


5 posted on 06/24/2014 11:18:22 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: V_TWIN; ColdOne
Lawyers and businesspersons have been thrown in jail for doing just this in civil discovery in lawsuits. Also, when evidence is destroyed, the jury is instructed that it may infer the evidence was incriminating.

But, these people are above the law and the craven sycophants who claim to be journalists are not calling them on it.

6 posted on 06/24/2014 11:18:23 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: ColdOne

“I never said you could keep your doctor, period. I said you could keep your doctor if nothing changed, period.”


7 posted on 06/24/2014 11:18:34 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: ColdOne

When will we get to see the “chain of custody” of the Server Logs and the Server logs themselves for the period in question.

I’m just guessing but I’m thinking NEVER.


8 posted on 06/24/2014 11:18:56 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: ColdOne

When you swear to tell the Truth, its the whole truth.

This would be perjury in a Court.

A sin of ommission.


9 posted on 06/24/2014 11:19:28 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Democrats have destroyed more cities than Godzilla)
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To: cuban leaf

It’s a partial backfire of their desire to make the IRS the most feared agency in America.


10 posted on 06/24/2014 11:19:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Billthedrill

More like Hotmail has them.

I’ve been guessing at the usernames Lerner, Ingram, etc used outside the IRS email system.


11 posted on 06/24/2014 11:20:24 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: ColdOne

This reminds me of the cartoon with Al Gore swinging from a White House chandelier, on the phone: “No, I’m not on government property.”


12 posted on 06/24/2014 11:20:28 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: ColdOne

Been playing nice way too long. Prosecute the bast*rd.


13 posted on 06/24/2014 11:20:44 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ColdOne
He was told to provide all the emails.

All means All. Not just those that are easily available. Not just those which they can find. Not just those at the gas station.

All means all. That's what it should mean. Just like the commercial.

14 posted on 06/24/2014 11:20:52 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: ColdOne

I haven’t watched the hearings, but I haven’t seen anything in the bits I have seen about Sonasoft. They were backing up the IRS’s emails until 2 months after Lerner’s computer crashed, at which point their contract was canceled. But they would still have those archives, right? And they wouldn’t just trash them as they belong to the IRS, right? And they should’ve turned them back to the IRS where they should’ve been kept, right?

Why isn’t anyone asking those questions?


15 posted on 06/24/2014 11:21:36 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: ColdOne

Offer a 5 million dollar reward for anyone who can find and present the emails. If wanted the person locating them can remain anonomous.
There has got to be at least one dem that would sell out their party for that much money.


16 posted on 06/24/2014 11:22:29 AM PDT by TonyM
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To: ColdOne

Toss that alien robot-looking mfer in jail until someone finds Lerner’s e-mails.


17 posted on 06/24/2014 11:23:21 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: ColdOne

He speaks “lawyerese” all the time in an effort to mislead and outright LIE.


18 posted on 06/24/2014 11:23:49 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Mikey_1962

19 posted on 06/24/2014 11:23:50 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: txhurl

Yep, or gmail. Thing is, you should be able to find that out from her current email address list if she continued to use it.


20 posted on 06/24/2014 11:26:25 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ColdOne

Smug criminal!


21 posted on 06/24/2014 11:26:59 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: ColdOne

22 posted on 06/24/2014 11:27:33 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Twotone

We know that Sonasoft was backing up e-mails. If you have backup of anything and your computer dies what do you do? You get a new computer and load the backup onto it. At most you lose one day’s worth of files that hadn’t been backed up not two year’s worth. Who believes this nonsense?


23 posted on 06/24/2014 11:30:14 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: txhurl
I’ve been guessing at the usernames Lerner, Ingram, etc used outside the IRS email system.

"Richard Windsor" all over again.

24 posted on 06/24/2014 11:32:05 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: ColdOne

Well Mr. Kocksuckin, I don’t have the money
For my taxes so I shouldn’t pay.


25 posted on 06/24/2014 11:32:05 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: ColdOne

IRS in Wonderland


26 posted on 06/24/2014 11:35:04 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (blubber)
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To: txhurl
I’ve been guessing at the usernames Lerner, Ingram, etc....and Koskinen

How about we 'seize' all of their assets and put a lien on them until they stop stonewalling and fork over all the pertinent information requested by congress--- just like they do to us taxpayers.

27 posted on 06/24/2014 11:36:18 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: ColdOne

I hate a damn smartass!


28 posted on 06/24/2014 11:36:37 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Billthedrill

The O’Connor lawyer gal referred to ‘Ben’ today in testimony.
Sarah Ingram, involved in this, looks exactly like Ben Franklin.

Maybe there’s a Ben F. Ranklin.hotmail, and Abe L. Incoln.hotmail, etc etc.


29 posted on 06/24/2014 11:37:40 AM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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Too clever for his credibility.


30 posted on 06/24/2014 11:38:01 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

and IRS officials ....deys alls bees butt ug...ug... UGGGGGAAALLLYYYYYYYYYY....


31 posted on 06/24/2014 11:40:06 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: V_TWIN

>> Somebody needs to GO TO JAIL!

Lerner has been found in Contempt of Congress, and Koskinen certainly has been contumacious and should be held in Contempt of Congress.

Congress has the authority to arrest and imprison those found in Contempt. The power extends throughout the United States and is an inherent power (does not depend upon legislated act)

If found in Contempt the person can be arrested under a warrant of the Speaker of the House of Representatives or President of the Senate, by the respective Sergeant at Arms.

Statutory criminal contempt is an alternative to inherent contempt.

Under the inherent contempt power Congress may imprison a person for a specific period of time or an indefinite period of time, except a person imprisoned by the House of Representatives may not be imprisoned beyond adjournment of a session of Congress.

Imprisonment may be coercive or punitive.

Some references

[1] Joseph Story’s Commentaries on the Constitution, Volume 2, § 842
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/a1_5s21.html

[2] Anderson v. Dunn - 19 U.S. 204 - “And, as to the distance to which the process might reach, it is very clear that there exists no reason for confining its operation to the limits of the District of Columbia; after passing those limits, we know no bounds that can be prescribed to its range but those of the United States.”
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/19/204/case.html

[3] Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/125/case.html
73rd Cong., 78 Cong. Rec. 2410 (1934)
https://archive.org/details/congressionalrec78aunit

[4] McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135 - Under a warrant issued by the President of the Senate the Deputy to the Senate Sergeant at Arms arrested at Cincinnati, Ohio, Mally S. Daugherty, who had been twice subpoenaed by the Senate and twice failed to appear.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/273/135/case.html

[5] Rules of the House of Representatives, Rule IV Duties of the Sergeant at Arms - [] execute the commands of the House, and all processes issued by authority thereof, directed to him by the Speaker.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HMAN-105/pdf/HMAN-105-pg348.pdf

[6] An analysis of Congressional inquiry, subpoena, and enforcement
http://www.constitutionproject.org/documents/when-congress-comes-calling-a-primer-on-the-principles-practices-and-pragmatics-of-legislative-inquiry/


32 posted on 06/24/2014 11:41:11 AM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: ColdOne

It all depends on what the meaning of “is” is...

I was drinking tea...had to pee...no controlling legal authority...

I promised to provide only the emails that weren’t deleted.....errr....lost in a department-wide hard drive crash....

Why not? If we’ve learned anything over the years, it’s that democrats have this uncanny ability to lie with a straight face, all while looking at you like you’re the idiot if you don’t accept their obvious lies.


33 posted on 06/24/2014 11:44:25 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: ColdOne

But when YOU owe the IRS, those records never get lost...


34 posted on 06/24/2014 11:46:31 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: SevenofNine

Koskinen understands the importance of this encounter, all right. He is being both evasive and provocative for a reason - he wants to goad the Republicans on the committee into saying something imprudent and thus provide the overall Democrat campaign this fall with a picture of those “mean wascally Wepublicans” who bully Democrats mercilessly, and get up on the moral high ground with the low-information voters.

Koskinen has no intention of providing the E-mails in question, and he is defying the efforts of the committee members to force him to comply.

“I’m the IRS, and I AM the law!”

This rash lack of circumspection and respect SHOULD have landed somebody in jail by now.


35 posted on 06/24/2014 11:53:00 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: ColdOne

The dog ate my homework.


36 posted on 06/24/2014 12:00:56 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: ColdOne

37 posted on 06/24/2014 12:04:01 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: ColdOne

That response shows what he is all about — it makes no sense.


38 posted on 06/24/2014 12:09:02 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Aren’t these arrogant commie asses tiresome? Someone...anyone...place these criminals in jail (and waterboard them) to find out truth. That’s the only way when dealing with smug degenerate sociopaths (LIBs/DIMs). Otherwise this is just Kabuki theater.


39 posted on 06/24/2014 12:53:45 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: oldbrowser
See at the linked YouTube video of the Monday night hearing (beginning at 1:50:30) where Rep. Chaffetz questions IRS Commissioner John Koskinen.

Koskinen admits ALL of Lois Lerner's e-mails were available on a back-up tape but were not extracted and saved because it was too much trouble.

The IRS had the emails and knew the Committee wanted them at the time. They even stated they would go to "extraordinary" lengths to get them.

IRS Hearing Link

40 posted on 06/24/2014 1:25:55 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: V_TWIN

Let’s simply have the House defund the IRS until the emails are found. Also pass a companion bill that says that the IRS may not assess taxes against any taxpayer based in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, on the basis that the taxpayer is unable to produce emails or other electronically stored data, or printouts thereof, which may or may not relate to the question of whether the tax alleged to be due is in fact due. Further, if the taxpayer refuses to answer any question posed to him or her by the IRS, on the basis that answering might tend to incriminate him/her (Fifth Amendment) all tax related issues relating to such questions asked shall be deemed conclusively resolved in the taxpayer’s favor, without the right of appeal by the U.S. Gov’t.. Let’s just even the playing field. (Oh, and one more detail, the provisions of this exemption for taxpayers shall not apply for the benefit of any employee, agent, attorney, or elected official of the U.S. Government.)


41 posted on 06/24/2014 1:31:21 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: ColdOne; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Cincinatus' Wife; ...

42 posted on 06/24/2014 4:21:43 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: ColdOne

All emails doesn’t means all emails. They means all emails except for those that were destroyed


43 posted on 06/24/2014 4:54:33 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: tflabo

They would look pretty in an orange jump suit perp walk......


44 posted on 06/24/2014 8:11:02 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: longfellow

I’ll bet that was his nickname in jr high school. Snide little mfer.


45 posted on 06/24/2014 9:52:43 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: shove_it

It is from now on.


46 posted on 06/24/2014 9:53:59 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: TigersEye
"We know that Sonasoft was backing up e-mails. If you have backup of anything and your computer dies what do you do? You get a new computer and load the backup onto it. At most you lose one day’s worth of files that hadn’t been backed up not two year’s worth. Who believes this nonsense?"

Unfortunately, the same people who voted for the obomanation. We need a recount!

47 posted on 06/25/2014 6:50:41 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi)
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To: Bender2

The very definition of smarmy there.

Bleeech, yech!!


48 posted on 06/25/2014 6:52:06 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi)
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To: ColdOne

Oh Oh the Commissioner has some problems too:

http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/dems-fawn-over-irs-commissioner-who-contributed-over-85000-their


49 posted on 06/25/2014 4:15:58 PM PDT by ncfool (Hilary 2016 Procol Harum or Boko Haram. What difference does it make?)
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