Skip to comments.Lerner refuses to testify, refuses to produce emails - compel her to testify or jail her!
Posted on 06/24/2014 11:38:59 AM PDT by Jim RobinsonEdited on 06/24/2014 12:19:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Lerner refuses to testify, refuses to produce emails - compel her to testify regarding the recipients, senders, subjects and contents of the "lost" email conversations or jail her for contempt of congress.
How far up the ladder does this criminal conspiracy go?
What did the president know and when did he know it?
We the people have a right to know whether or not our president is a crook and our IRS is corrupt.
Hate to say it, but if the congress is incapable of breaking this administration's stonewall, we may need a special prosecutor with the power to lock up these obviously corrupt bastards.
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Actually, it could be much worse than that. The corrupt president saw the tea party as a direct threat to his ObamaCare scam and so sent Lois Lerner and the IRS after us (along with the DHS). The GOP establishment would not have a problem with seeing the tea party attacked. Were a direct threat to them too. Its a bipartisan effort to defend the gravy train.
It is not for YOU to question the Officers of the King.
Of course you are right Jim. However, there are some real twisted sisters
running the GOP. They would rather use it as a campaign issue than
make those involved pay a price.
susan mcdougle her azz
>> if the congress is incapable of breaking this administration’s stonewall,
A question to raise is whether or not Congress is truly interested in breaking through to the facts. I’m not confident it is.
They need to Jail the top couple levels of leadership of the IRS for destroying evidence and then let them know they can get Clemency if they squeal like a rat/pig on their co-horts and the longer they don’t the less likely they will get Clemency.
It’s time for people to start going to jail over this. It starts with Lerner.
Let’s do it Alan west’s way.put a gun to her head then ask.
She gave up her 5th Amendment right to not self incriminate by her earlier testimony.
Aside from name rank and serial number, it is essentially all or nothing.
Actually, it could be much worse than that. The corrupt president saw the tea party as a direct threat to his ObamaCare scam and so sent Lois Lerner and the IRS after us (along with the DHS). The GOP establishment would not have a problem with seeing the tea party attacked. We’re a direct threat to them too. It’s a bipartisan effort to defend the gravy train.
Somebody will squeal if they squease just the right place.
Lerner has been found in Contempt of Congress, and Koskinen certainly has been contumacious and should be held in Contempt of Congress.
Congress has the authority to arrest and imprison those found in Contempt. The power extends throughout the United States and is an inherent power (does not depend upon legislated act)
If found in Contempt the person can be arrested under a warrant of the Speaker of the House of Representatives or President of the Senate, by the respective Sergeant at Arms.
Statutory criminal contempt is an alternative to inherent contempt.
Under the inherent contempt power Congress may imprison a person for a specific period of time or an indefinite period of time, except a person imprisoned by the House of Representatives may not be imprisoned beyond adjournment of a session of Congress.
Imprisonment may be coercive or punitive.
 Joseph Storys Commentaries on the Constitution, Volume 2, § 842
 Anderson v. Dunn - 19 U.S. 204 - And, as to the distance to which the process might reach, it is very clear that there exists no reason for confining its operation to the limits of the District of Columbia; after passing those limits, we know no bounds that can be prescribed to its range but those of the United States.
 Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125
73rd Cong., 78 Cong. Rec. 2410 (1934)
 McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135 - Under a warrant issued by the President of the Senate the Deputy to the Senate Sergeant at Arms arrested at Cincinnati, Ohio, Mally S. Daugherty, who had been twice subpoenaed by the Senate and twice failed to appear.
 Rules of the House of Representatives, Rule IV Duties of the Sergeant at Arms -  execute the commands of the House, and all processes issued by authority thereof, directed to him by the Speaker.
 An analysis of Congressional inquiry, subpoena, and enforcement
DING DING DING!!!!! Who is John Galt?
I think they are afraid of how far up the ladder it goes, because if it happens to go all the way to the top they will forced to impeach and then be painted as racist haters.
Your post is a trip into the past, isn’t it? These are exactly the same questions pounded out hourly by the “media” as they sought to bring down the loathed Richard Nixon.
As far as I am concerned, your list of questions, and their absence from the “media” is proof positive that the entire Watergate “scandal” was a political dust-up and nothing more.
The people who trumpeted those questions and demanded answers are the very same who today remain silent.
The Democrats’ defending the IRS gives them away.
Yep, the Sergeant at Arms of the House should arrest and jail her.
Inform her of her obligation to testify under oath and that she will stay locked up until the end of this Congress if she doesn’t.
Then inform her if Republicans hold control of the House in the next Congress she’ll stay locked up.
Be up front with her, don’t make her wonder what will be her future.
They have to wait until after the elections. Like 10 minutes after. In the meantime, build an iron-clad case and somehow get it before the public in spite of the MenSeekingMen spiking it.
Gingrich would have put her in the House jail by now, to put pressure on the opposition. But John Boehner has a dinner date with a wine bottle, so he can’t get around to it, today or any other day.
The sad fact is that Congress only has two tools available to it in the Constitution when it comes to oversight of the other two branches of government - the power of the purse and impeachment.
Now, since the GOP in Congress got so scared of public opinion during the "government shutdown", they have preemptively declared that they will not allow that to happen again. What that means is that they have unilaterally surrendered the power of the purse. If the GOP try to cut the funding for the IRS or Justice in order to get them to comply, all Dingy Harry has to do is refuse to bring the appropriations bill to a vote, or Obama threaten to veto the bill if it passes. They know if the government gets shut down, the GOP will get blamed by the lapdog MSM, and thus by the low-information voters that depend upon government largesse, and so they will cave. That takes away the key weapon the Founders gave Congress to make them a co-equal branch of government.
The other weapon, impeachment, is also one that will never be used by this Congress. First, even if the House could muster enough votes to impeach Holder or some other Senate-approved member of the administration (forget about Obama!), the Senate would never vote to convict. And the GOP is so lousy at communicating with the public, and with the MSM a propaganda arm of the DNC and Obama administration, any impeachment attempt would end like the Clinton impeachment -with the GOP reviled and Obama and the Dems gaining new popularity with the public.
I'm sorry to be so pessimistic. Congress, which was supposed to be the first among equals in the government because of the direct connection to the voters, has allowed itself to become a joke, little more than a rubber-stamp for the ruling party. The president ignores and changes the laws at his whim, and there is nothing they will do to stop him.
If this could have been ended simply by throwing Lerner under the bus she would be covered in tire tracks.
But, no, they keep digging in their heels.
Their continued efforts are all the proof anyone needs that this goes all the way to Obama.
No one else is worth this much protection.
If this was the Bush years they MSM would be demanding people be frog marched out of the White House. I am surprised to see CNN and PMSNBC actually covering the story this AM.
I’ve been watching these IRS Committee hearing since they started, by observation I can say that this whole thing is a Circus Dog and Pony Show.
I do believe they don’t want to get to the truth because if they do, there will be a number of Rino’s implicated in the persecution of conservatives by the IRS.
I think it also may be likely Issa himself is involved; we know Cummings is involved as has been reported here on FR; but he is still on the committee.
My frustration level is through the roof, this committee is run like an amateur show, though some questions and comments by some congressmen have been awesome.
This is simple math.
The GOP has the power, the constitutional authority and the RESPONSIBILITY to use their powers to the fullest to uphold their oaths and the laws. They refuse to do it. This is not some optional either or choice. They REFUSE to use their powers fully.
As such, the GOP is every bit in violation of the law as the Democrats. They are violating a different set of laws, but they are violating laws.
There is not a single solitary reason that Obama’s stooges should have been allowed to leave the building after lying on the stand. Inherent Contempt gives every republican there the power to arrest and bury them under the building until they comply with a lawful command.
The ONLY reason this power is not being applied is political consideration. Nowhere in their oaths or the laws governing America is there an exception for political consideration.
So we can either stop electing the people assisting democrats or we all just need to sit here and take it. Because as long as we insist on putting the ‘lesser evils’ into power, this is what we get from them. “Lesser principled’ people do not follow politically incontinent laws. They do not keep politically inconvenient oaths.
They protect democrats from being prosecuted. As do people who continue to knowingly empower them. After the last 2 years, we all know. Going into the coming elections, there is now no excuse.
” ...... compel her to testify regarding the recipients, senders, subjects and contents of the “lost” email conversations or jail her ..... “
That is sort of what the IRS has done to me before.
You are mistaken. The House and the Senate both possess the power to imprison. This is well established and confirmed by the Supreme Court.
The only penalty she faces is if she talks. If she keeps her mouth shut Holder and company will do nothing. If she talks even under some grant of immunity they will go after her entire family and so will the surrogates in the MSM. They will keep it up until they are destroyed. It will be in terms of the MSM the same kind of tactics that they used on Sarah Palin and her family. She least had the strength of character to survive and fight back. She also had supporters. Lerner and her family won’t.
If I’m following this right, the evidence started getting lost in January 2009.
If the incoming administration started sending emails from the oval office to IRS officials telling them how to target Tea Party groups, this is what it would look like.
You are right, and I don’t see anything that makes any real sense happening with the IRS until after the November elections-but I’m all for a special prosecutor. When you have people really worried about doing time, they are more likely to bite the hand that had fed them to avoid it...
That power is quite limited as a practical matter. They can throw someone into the jail they have at the Capitol for a while for contempt, but they cannot prosecute someone of federal crimes. And Boehner has even ruled out that as an option, at least with regard to Lehrner...
I’m using some other epithets to describe him, but I can’t say them here...
Congress can ask for a special prosecutor, but the (in)Justice Department would have to agree. There is not a chance they will do so.
Boehner has the power ....but no cohones to do it. Pigs and bacon will fly B4 the Speaker takes any action.
She’s protecting someone higher up.
The AG is responsible for appointing a special prosecutor. Eric the Red won’t. Therefore it’s up to Boehner (congress) to setup a select committee with criminal referral power to get to the bottom of this lawlessness.
I also think it is smarter to keep this issue in the news until election. If it is all over in July, voters have short memories and will forget by November.
IRS affects every one who has income. It is becoming more obvious everyday Lois Lerner is guilty of using IRS power unlawfully. This may win more votes than Obamacare. The country will be far better off with Harry Reid removed from majority leader position.
You in Post 25: The sad fact is that Congress only has two tools available to it in the Constitution when it comes to oversight of the other two branches of government - the power of the purse and impeachment.
You in Post 37: That power is quite limited as a practical matter.
Your first assertion is mistaken, which you tacitly admit later by saying Congress’ Inherent Contempt power is “quite limited”, a claim which itself is an unsupported assertion.
Do you have any other reasons why Congress can not do anything?
Which is why the most important task is to gain majority in US senate and remove Harry Reid from position of power to obstruct every House bill. This is the most critical task for 2014 elections.
One question: Can government employees plead the 5th to Congress? I know the black robed tyrants on the Supreme Court ruled (wrongly) back in the 50's that Communists can plead the 5th to Congress but what about government employees being asked about actions they took in an official capacity?
How’d they bust Nixon’s stonewall? Takes pressure from the congress and the media. And that will require extreme pressure from we the people as the other entities are extremely compromised.
That is why I don’t think it will happen until at least after Nov-if it goes well, they might be pressured by the weight of opinion.
I can answer your question, which is quite valid.
The power of purse House has does NOT apply to bills already passed and signed by POTUS into laws. That includes Obamacare. House can not by itself reverse existing laws. That needs passage of another new law.
Reid & Obummer will stall and veto every bills which denies funding to already passed laws.
So, for openers, the power of purse only affects FUTURE spending bills.
I am sure you remember what happened every time a government shutdown took place. It was ALWAYS the republicans who took the blame with a complicit MSM.
So, first things first, republican’s priority must be to win senate in 2014.
What use would that be? She has already admitted her emails have
been lost and her hard drive destroyed.
She only has her testimony to offer.
Without any e-mail confirmation, her testimony is worthless.
Why do you think these emails disappeared?