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Lerner refuses to testify, refuses to produce emails - compel her to testify or jail her!
June 24, 2014

Posted on 06/24/2014 11:38:59 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 06/24/2014 12:19:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Jim Robinson

She’s protecting someone higher up.


41 posted on 06/24/2014 12:16:58 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Jim Robinson

The AG is responsible for appointing a special prosecutor. Eric the Red won’t. Therefore it’s up to Boehner (congress) to setup a select committee with criminal referral power to get to the bottom of this lawlessness.


42 posted on 06/24/2014 12:17:21 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tennmountainman

I also think it is smarter to keep this issue in the news until election. If it is all over in July, voters have short memories and will forget by November.

IRS affects every one who has income. It is becoming more obvious everyday Lois Lerner is guilty of using IRS power unlawfully. This may win more votes than Obamacare. The country will be far better off with Harry Reid removed from majority leader position.


43 posted on 06/24/2014 12:17:37 PM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst president ever, thanks to voters who abstained on election day!)
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To: CA Conservative

You in Post 25: The sad fact is that Congress only has two tools available to it in the Constitution when it comes to oversight of the other two branches of government - the power of the purse and impeachment.

You in Post 37: That power is quite limited as a practical matter.

Your first assertion is mistaken, which you tacitly admit later by saying Congress’ Inherent Contempt power is “quite limited”, a claim which itself is an unsupported assertion.

Do you have any other reasons why Congress can not do anything?


44 posted on 06/24/2014 12:19:59 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: CA Conservative

Which is why the most important task is to gain majority in US senate and remove Harry Reid from position of power to obstruct every House bill. This is the most critical task for 2014 elections.


45 posted on 06/24/2014 12:20:26 PM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst president ever, thanks to voters who abstained on election day!)
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To: Ray76
Good job on this research. Its very important that people become aware of Congress's power to arrest and imprison for contempt so we can force our Reps in Congress to exercise it. They have no excuse for letting the Obama Regime get away with their crimes. Congress is responsible for government oversight and ultimately responsible for the Executives Branch's wrongdoing.

One question: Can government employees plead the 5th to Congress? I know the black robed tyrants on the Supreme Court ruled (wrongly) back in the 50's that Communists can plead the 5th to Congress but what about government employees being asked about actions they took in an official capacity?

46 posted on 06/24/2014 12:21:27 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How’d they bust Nixon’s stonewall? Takes pressure from the congress and the media. And that will require extreme pressure from we the people as the other entities are extremely compromised.


47 posted on 06/24/2014 12:26:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: CA Conservative

That is why I don’t think it will happen until at least after Nov-if it goes well, they might be pressured by the weight of opinion.


48 posted on 06/24/2014 12:29:00 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Ray76

I can answer your question, which is quite valid.

The power of purse House has does NOT apply to bills already passed and signed by POTUS into laws. That includes Obamacare. House can not by itself reverse existing laws. That needs passage of another new law.

Reid & Obummer will stall and veto every bills which denies funding to already passed laws.

So, for openers, the power of purse only affects FUTURE spending bills.

I am sure you remember what happened every time a government shutdown took place. It was ALWAYS the republicans who took the blame with a complicit MSM.

So, first things first, republican’s priority must be to win senate in 2014.


49 posted on 06/24/2014 12:30:10 PM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst president ever, thanks to voters who abstained on election day!)
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To: ReaganÃœberAlles

What use would that be? She has already admitted her emails have
been lost and her hard drive destroyed.

She only has her testimony to offer.
Without any e-mail confirmation, her testimony is worthless.
Why do you think these emails disappeared?


50 posted on 06/24/2014 12:33:36 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Cochran And Boss Hogg.)
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To: entropy12

How does any of that relate to Congress’ Inherent Contempt power and imprisonment of Lerner and/or Koskinen?


51 posted on 06/24/2014 12:35:29 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: cotton1706

With all due respect Cotton, Gingrich would not have done that.
Gingrich was banging his mistress at that time. He would have been
afraid of being exposed.


52 posted on 06/24/2014 12:36:20 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Cochran And Boss Hogg.)
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To: jazusamo

That is exactly what they should do!


53 posted on 06/24/2014 12:38:35 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: CA Conservative

Of course, when Hillary wins all 50 states, the GOP will be too afraid to attack
a woman, just as they have been too afraid to attack a president, who
happens to be black.

Where do you draw the line and say enough is enough?
With this GOP, the answer is never.


54 posted on 06/24/2014 12:40:03 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Cochran And Boss Hogg.)
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To: Ray76
Okay, no reason to get snippy. Let's look at what I said:

I said the Congress had two tools available to it in the Constitution when it comes to oversight. The ability to hold someone on Contempt of Congress is a statutory power, not a constitutional power. So I was not incorrect in my statement. I was addressing an issue larger than just the refusal of someone to testify, but was rather addressing the increasing calls for someone to go to jail over the IRS scandal, and my point is that Congress does not have that power.

On the second point, I said that the power to jail someone for contempt of Congress without the involvement of the Justice Department is quite limited as a practical matter. In theory and in law, the power may be unlimited; in practice, it has rarely been done. Congress is really not set up to keep prisoners for months and years on end, and if you think the Administration would lock these people up for Congress, you are mistaken.

Finally, I never said there is nothing Congress can do; I said there is nothing significant Congress will do, because they have preemptively surrendered the tools they have been given for situations such as these.

You really need to read more carefully before commenting. By leaving out or ignoring key parts of my comments, you either deliberately or unintentionally misrepresented the points I was making. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was not intentional, but brought on by your passion over this topic.

55 posted on 06/24/2014 12:41:49 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Ray76

What will that accomplish in practical terms?
Lerner knows very well if she turns on the regime, she will be worse trouble with Holder’s gang. Even her family won’t be safe. I am sure she has already been made aware of this.

So she sits in congressional jail, and keeps her mouth shut. The MSM will accuse republicans of a witch hunt WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Not a good PR move.


56 posted on 06/24/2014 12:45:32 PM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst president ever, thanks to voters who abstained on election day!)
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To: Jim Robinson
She's got Dear Leader's Mussolini pose down pat. Lois Lerner photo: Lois Lerner Lois-Lerner-IRS-AP.jpg I say sic Rowdy Trey Gowdy on her butt. He'll lower that nose.
57 posted on 06/24/2014 12:46:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tennmountainman

You may be right. But he’s the closest thing we’ve had to somebody on the republican side who actually and determinedly USED the power granted to the House of Representatives.

Boehner seems to think it’s just some kind of junior senate.


58 posted on 06/24/2014 12:47:04 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: entropy12

The Power of the purse always applies, But they gotta have balls to swing it.


59 posted on 06/24/2014 12:49:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: CA Conservative

Contempt of Congress is NOT a statutory power. You really need to read the links I provided.

I have not left out or ignored key parts of your comments, I referenced specific post numbers - the entirety of your comments.


60 posted on 06/24/2014 12:50:57 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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