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Citizens of Russia under Russian flag in Russian tanks with Russian arms travel across Ukraine
https://www.facebook.com/Dmitriy.Chekalkin/posts/949777761715144 ^ | Dmitriy.Chekalkin/

Posted on 06/25/2014 4:32:12 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

If citizens of the Russian Federation under the Russian flag at the Russian tanks with Russian arms travel across Ukraine, Russia is not at all what. This is America wants us to quarrel? BING TRANSLATION More at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hew6bmufYk&feature=youtu.be



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: military; ukraine

1 posted on 06/25/2014 4:32:12 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I could do pretty much the same thing in Liberty City,
On the north side of Miami.
Drive around in a tank carrying an American flag.
Getting shot at by locals who are mad cause i wouldn’t be carrying whatever bannana republic flag from whatever poop hole they came fro.


2 posted on 06/25/2014 4:41:14 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Local insurgents routinely use Russian flag. Their armor may have been captured from the Ukrainian army (since we've had enough reports on such cases, like the video of local dudes on a dirt quad chasing an Ukrainian tank), no Russian military IDs on the pictures and no proof they're Russian military enlisted.

So this news is another empty buzz.

3 posted on 06/25/2014 4:53:55 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Getting shot at by locals who are mad cause i wouldn’t be carrying whatever bannana republic flag from whatever poop hole they came fro.

Getting shot while in a tank? Get inside and close the hatch.

4 posted on 06/25/2014 4:55:41 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

You are a liar. RF MVD and VDV troops have been KIA in Ukraine and ID’d. Then sent back to Mother Russia in boxes.


5 posted on 06/25/2014 5:04:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Link, please.


6 posted on 06/25/2014 5:06:48 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

Local insurgents routinely use Russian flag.


Borodai and Girkin are “local insurgents”? Link, please.


7 posted on 06/25/2014 5:18:48 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Freelance Warrior

Liberty city is as well armed as Beirut.


8 posted on 06/25/2014 5:33:26 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: lodi90

Girkin is identified by the Ukrainian SBU, which is a belligerent side, so this info need to be independently confirmed. Borodai is probably a Russian national. But these two aren’t all the insurgents.

The people’s major of Slaviansk Ponomariov was born in Slaviansk, so he’s local.


9 posted on 06/25/2014 5:41:13 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

The author Dmitry Chekalkin has exhibited personal integrity and professional professional accountability.

BIO: Born September 23, 1964 in Kiev. He graduated from the Moscow Military Institute of Foreign Languages, where he specialized translator for Arabic and Hebrew. He worked as a military translator in Arab countries, taught in his native university, working on her PhD thesis.
From 1992 he worked in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. Was the first Ukrainian diplomat in the Middle East. Consul and head of the advance team of the Ukrainian Embassy in Israel.
Since 1997 Vice - President of the concern “Dandy”. President TRK “Kyiv statements.”
Today - showman, CEO “DIVA production”. Winner of Russian prize “Radio Mania” in 2007 and 2008. Author of many television, radio and Internet projects including “Funny eggs”, “Operation proffesor”, “All ingenious - in a toast” to “play”, “Hi, blonde”, etc


10 posted on 06/25/2014 5:45:58 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Freelance Warrior

Girkin is on sanction lists now. Journalists interviewed his neighbors in Moscow. Nobody is disputing his nationality except you.

http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2014/05/12/expanded-sanctions-list


11 posted on 06/25/2014 5:52:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
The few sentences are totally unbased, I don't say he's lying, but there's no theme for a discussion. Check the DNR leaders' bio (Google trasnlation) from a Ukrainian branch of a Russian newspaper (so we may seek a confirmation for this as well). Some are Russians, but many are Ukrainians.
12 posted on 06/25/2014 5:54:36 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Russia is fighting terrorists within its territory, and sponsoring terrorism in other cations.
13 posted on 06/25/2014 5:55:36 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
LOL. Now the brave Kiev Coup Kiddies troopies can brag about having defeated Russians the next time they shell a city from several miles away.

There's not a single piece of equipment in any of those photos that isn't identical to what the Kiev Coup Kiddies have lost through their own troops deserting with their equipment or abandoning equipment.

The Kiev Coup Kiddies little propaganda puppies must be desperate to pretend this is proof of anything.

14 posted on 06/25/2014 5:58:26 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: lodi90

I didn’t dispute I questioned. Your distortion has been too obvious, so try better next time. BTW, a good chunk of the individuals listed at your link are Ukrainian nationals.


15 posted on 06/25/2014 6:04:30 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Khodorkovsky:"whatever thoughts were Vladimir Vladimirovich when he made the decision to commit acts against Ukraine, they have led to extremely negative result for my country. Instead of opportunities in the near-term due to the economic attractiveness of Russia, with its some leadership in the field of technology and science in the Eurasian space, instead of using the "soft power" to unite around himself those peoples and States that it would unite our country, our President has made exactly the opposite. If economic relations with us still willing and interested to support-and there are some countries that can be, and nowhere else, in terms of political relations, the situation in today's Eurasian Union looks much worse than it was originally. Neighbouring countries are tightened. Moreover, those Russians who inadvertantly today live outside Russia in the Baltic States, in other countries of the former USSR-feeling the mistrust that arose against them as a result of the actions of the Russian President. I may be a bit rough, but I think it's fair: Vladimir Vladimirovich simply framed by millions of Russians." http://khodorkovsky.ru/mbk/articles_and_interview/2014/06/13/18819.html
16 posted on 06/25/2014 6:09:44 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Freelance Warrior

In an attempt to spread Pro Putin disinformation, you “questioned” a well known fact confirmed by numerous governmental and journalist sources. Girkin is one of the Russian nationals killing Ukrainians in this “civil war”.


17 posted on 06/25/2014 6:16:47 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Rashputin

RF involvement in Donbas has already been “proven”. No further proof is needed. History shows us that Russians have a habit of killing their neighbors. Nothing new here, really.


18 posted on 06/25/2014 6:23:08 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90
The proof is BS and that's a fact. Everyone born in Ukraine who is more than about 22 years of age is technically Russian. It's a convince for Kiev to say Russians are there, that's all. It's extremely doubtful that there are many Russian teams sneaking around Southeast Ukraine as there are US and NATO teams.

The US and NATO are well aware that the Kiev Coup Kiddies are nothing but criminal liars with little or no control over a significant portion of "their" Army so they have people on the ground to gather information. Any Russians there are doing the exact same thing; avoiding being seen, avoiding fighting, and gathering information.

The propaganda hasn't worked as planned since it failed to get the US bogged down in Ukraine before the Muzzie offensive in Iraq started. I bet it's really a pisser for the propaganda puppets to realize that people in the US have wised up and know that whenever King Barry focuses on something he's doing so to keep attention away from what his Muzzie pals are up to elsewhere.

People in the US and Europe wising up has to really upset the Kiev Coup Kiddies who were promised billions of dollars along with thousands of US and NATO troops to keep them in power. Now they just have Candyman and his crowd in the mix along with the Naziboys they made a deal with. Um, Um, the infighting is going to be brutal.

Just exactly like I predicted, not long after Candyman took over there was a "terrorist" attack on the pipelines to Western Europe and a new wave of BS about Russians fighting. Propaganda from dolts is sooooo predictable.

19 posted on 06/25/2014 6:57:03 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

“There’s not a single piece of equipment in any of those photos that isn’t identical to what the Kiev Coup Kiddies have lost through their own troops deserting”

That isn’t completely true....
There is no doubt that some of the Rebels equipment is stuff that was abandoned by Kiev in Crimea, redone, and sent into the Southeast, specifically, a few t-64’s.

Now, whether the Russian Government did it, or just looked the other way as it came through, is a completely different story.

Much of what they have has been taken locally. Tons of ex-Soviet stuff, big and small, was just laying around in depots the Rebels captured. In addition, buying arms through the mafia in that part of the world is normal business practice, and has been for a LONG time.


20 posted on 06/25/2014 7:16:48 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Rashputin

Several Russian Nationalists answered the call to come to Ukraine after the leaders threatened to wipe out the Russians in Ukraine. And they still are.

While Kiev talks a fine line, the “Ethnic Cleansing” being done by the militias and Right Sector cannot be denied. Ethnic Russians ARE being targeted by these groups, and sometimes murdered.

Again, NONE of this would be happening had not the Western Radicals violently overthrown the elected government, and a Ukrainian Flag would still be flying over Crimea.


21 posted on 06/25/2014 7:22:58 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: lodi90

I questioned, not “questioned”. You lack any basis to judge my motivation. Girkin is killing Ukrainians being sided with other Ukrainians, so it’s a civil war according to the definition.


22 posted on 06/25/2014 7:28:21 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Rashputin

Don’t bother with your fairy tales. RF troops don’t go AWOL with their gear and invade other countries.

http://obozrevatel.com/crime/58036-chechenskij-spetsnaz-mvd-rossii-voyuet-na-storone-dnr—foto-i-video.htm


23 posted on 06/25/2014 7:33:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Freelance Warrior

Involvement of foreign nationals and a foreign government is the very definition of transnational warfare and is not a civil war. Nobody died in Donbas until Russians arrived and started killing. No one.


24 posted on 06/25/2014 7:36:31 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf
Well, there have been multiple clips on You-Tube of T-64s captured from Kiev forces so whether or not some have come in from outside is still an open question as far as I'm concerned. As for people coming from Russia to help people in Ukraine, so many people in Russia are close relatives of folks in Ukraine it's not surprising at all nor does that "prove" the Russian government is aiding them.

Stuff the US sent to other countries is showing up in Southeast Ukraine according to what I've heard so that would almost have to be coming from sales to the people in the Southeast. Otherwise it would mean the US is playing both sides against the middle which isn't very reasonable even as a lame conspiracy theory. I would think that with all the government buildings they've captured people resisting Kiev probably have plenty of cash to pay anyone who will accept Ukraine currency.

The rumor mill in Ukraine seems to be everyone's hobby. Friends of mine call over there a couple of times a week and could stay on the phone for hours just listing the rumors that are flying around in Western Ukraine.

Eastern Ukraine, particularly the Southeast, is probably worse. I suspect a lot of the reports of "the Russians are coming" originate with people in the Southeast just like rumors of the 82nd Airborne being on the way were rampant in 1956 during the Hungarian revolt. They're basically wishful thinking on someones part.

25 posted on 06/25/2014 7:44:18 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: lodi90
Ok, the US started a transnational war since CIA people were there when the US recognized the Coup Kiddies.

So by your own definition and statement, the US started a transnational war to aid the Kiev Coup Kiddies with their ethnic cleansing efforts.

Thanks for clearing that up.

26 posted on 06/25/2014 7:51:25 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

To admit the ethnic Russian Ukrainians they are killing are actually Ukrainian citizens, means to admit that there actually IS a Civil War going on, which they can’t do, and maintain control.

A lot of the current problem stems from Kiev painting itself into a corner with their own propaganda. Anyone standing against the coup government was labeled a “Terrorist”, by people that took down their own government in a coup.

You will note how hard the Maidans on FR have tried to control the language of this event.


27 posted on 06/25/2014 7:56:58 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Freelance Warrior
Local insurgents routinely use Russian flag.

Good point.

28 posted on 06/25/2014 11:07:55 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Fitting with this post, there are several twitter reports that Kolomoisky’s Militia killed some 60 civilians in Krasny Liman.


29 posted on 06/25/2014 1:23:51 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Still repeating that libel? This was a fabrication of Putin’s twitter bots. You truly have no shame.


30 posted on 06/25/2014 1:38:57 PM PDT by Agog
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