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Exposed: How the VA Red-Flags ‘Disruptive’ Vets
creators.com ^ | June 24, 2014 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 06/25/2014 5:17:15 PM PDT by QT3.14

Imagine how much better off America’s veterans would be if the federal government spent more time delivering actual care and less time compiling tyrannical lists. The death-inducing secret waiting lists for patients are just the tip of the iceberg.

Did you know, for example, that the VA keeps a database on “disgruntled” and “disruptive” vets that results in arbitrarily restricted care?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: deathpanels; healthcare; partisanwitchhunt; politicalpurge; stalinisttactics; va; veterans; vets

1 posted on 06/25/2014 5:17:15 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

scarcity alotted on the basis of “how much they like you”.

Nice.


2 posted on 06/25/2014 5:18:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: QT3.14

The VA has no shame!


3 posted on 06/25/2014 5:19:18 PM PDT by QT3.14 (DEAD BROKE! This space for sale)
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To: QT3.14

Obamacare will do this to those who speak out against the Regime, or their perverted policies.


4 posted on 06/25/2014 5:21:59 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: QT3.14

but we can totally trust the government to run healthcare


5 posted on 06/25/2014 5:22:12 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: QT3.14
I always thought tax reform would be triggered by the need for a cheaper, simpler way of producing revenue or even a revolt against the tax code itself.

But a revolt against a corrupt IRS is even more powerful.

The arrogance, treachery, and corruptness of the IRS might lead to its downfall and that would trigger a call for another means of producing revenue.

6 posted on 06/25/2014 5:23:54 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: QT3.14

I’m not surprised. Vets have been receiving shoddy healthcare, or put on the back burner and getting none at all, for a very long time = 30+ years.


7 posted on 06/25/2014 5:24:34 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: RoosterRedux
Oops. I read VA as IRS.

Senior moment I guess.

8 posted on 06/25/2014 5:24:51 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: QT3.14

Hahahaha! Welcome to my world. The workers and their unions are MUCH MORE important than the veterans at the VA. Not a new thing. Waiting for the poster saying “I’ve always received ‘superb’ care at the VA hospitals so I don’t know what you guys are complaining about and blah, blah, blah..” in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...


9 posted on 06/25/2014 5:25:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: QT3.14

After waiting three hours to see a doctor for five minutes
I was told that in order to check out had to have
blood drawn. When I refused, my name and SS were entered
into some log kept by the headcase nurse, of anyone who
refused, my name was not the only one that I could see.

Today has not been a good day for other reasons but
I haven’t forgotten that incident.

Generally my care at the VA has been good, although
wait times for certain clinics are always LONG.


10 posted on 06/25/2014 5:26:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GeronL
== but we can totally trust the government to run healthcare ==

∅Care is bad enough. Making it more dispicable is the IRS has their mitts in its operation.

11 posted on 06/25/2014 5:28:46 PM PDT by QT3.14 (DEAD BROKE! This space for sale)
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To: QT3.14

I wouldn’t be surprised that, if investigated, one flag for “disruptive” was registered Republican. Wonder if blue-state Secretaries of State of providing the VA with party registration lists. Too conspiratorial....?


12 posted on 06/25/2014 5:32:15 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: QT3.14

My family believes that our father was targeted by the Va and that the trwatment he received was incorrect and caused his death


13 posted on 06/25/2014 5:33:20 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: QT3.14

A scary premonition of Obamacare when faceless bureaucrats will determine what medical care you will receive.


14 posted on 06/25/2014 5:38:33 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ

I’m a navy submarine (nuclear) vet, and I’ve pleased with the care I’ve received at the Ct. VA.


15 posted on 06/25/2014 5:43:18 PM PDT by brivette
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To: QT3.14

So, if you don’t kiss the VA bureaucrat’s ass, they put you on the naughty list.


16 posted on 06/25/2014 5:55:29 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: QT3.14

This is how vindictive third graders act.


17 posted on 06/25/2014 5:58:58 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: QT3.14

The VA’s starting to have that ‘evil’ feel to it...


18 posted on 06/25/2014 6:31:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hey IRS - those receipts you wanted? The dog ate 'em. -New Name:"Washington Thinskins" -FR. coloeo)
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To: QT3.14

My Dad didn’t talk much about his service during the Korean War. Mom said that he would wake up at night screaming that “They’re in the trenches!” and grabbing for his carbine. He was just a green farm kid from Minnesota, but he became a Sergeant and a leader. His best friend was killed because of a foolish decision made by higher-ups who weren’t at their unit’s location. He became a lifelong advocate for people to do the right thing.
He did complain about the treatment he received from the VA. He had seen how inattention could get people killed. He thought his leukemia had returned, so he went to the VA clinic to get tested. They tested him, but wouldn’t give him the results. I guess that was their punishment for him for daring to complain.
He died of leukemia. A green farm kid from Minnesota who thought he was going to Germany with the Army and didn’t even know where Korea was. Just a GI. A dogface that the VA treated like a dog, so they could hand each other bonuses.
I like to think that he’s in heaven with his buddy that was killed. I found a photo album with some photos of him in Korea during the war. He never showed it to me while he was alive. He was a good-looking rascal with a glint in his eye. I guess all Soldiers are when they’re twenty. I became a Soldier because I wanted to be like my Pop.
Goddamn the VA.


19 posted on 06/25/2014 6:35:18 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: QT3.14

I bet a Vet would get better care if he/she paid people under the table along the way.

Vet to scheduler/nurse/doctor: You pretend to care. I’ll pretend to like you.


20 posted on 06/25/2014 6:37:09 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


21 posted on 06/25/2014 6:41:32 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: blueunicorn6

I can tell you loved your Dad very much. Your post brought tears to my eyes.

I had a Dad much like yours who had similar experiences. I miss him.


22 posted on 06/25/2014 6:52:41 PM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: QT3.14
I immediately submitted a Freedom of Information Request to the Department of Veterans Affairs, FOIA Team Lead, (005R1C) VACO, 810 Vermont Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20420, ATTN: Laurie Karnay using a standard letter attached to Email.

I request that you submit a copy of any and or all documents, or documents pertaining to me under the VA policy on Patient Record Flags (PFRs) and pertaining to Disruptive Behavior Committees (DBCs), as well as any communications initiated by employees at the ____________ VA Hospital in North Carolina or in my regional Office in ________________. If possible, I would like to know if and when any and all PFRs were requested and if or when approved by DBCs and the nature of the approval, e.g., the verbiage entered into my records (Examples: frustration about PCP, frequent or unwarranted visits, telephone calls or communications, going to the media or outside organizations for assistance, etc.). I also want to know if my health care has been restricted or diminished as a result of employee actions under these or other policies due to Flags in my records. I am not concerned with Flags pertaining to actual medical necessity, but only those records described above.

In the paragraph where it addresses payment and fees for processing I put the following: I am willing to pay up to $25 for the processing of my request. Please notify me if you estimate the fees to exceed this amount. However, because of the nature of my request involves the fact that I was possibly flagged without due process first, I believe am entitled to a waiver.

I believe the VA has in fact violated the rights of any and all veterans on these list simply because they failed to allow Due Process First.

Hope this helps some other freeper's.

23 posted on 06/25/2014 6:54:42 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: combat_boots

That’s how they do it in socialist countries.


24 posted on 06/25/2014 7:19:11 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: QT3.14; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

25 posted on 06/25/2014 7:19:28 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: QT3.14

That’s the way the rest of the world works. If you want something, kissing butt with make it happen.


26 posted on 06/25/2014 7:24:02 PM PDT by bgill
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To: QT3.14; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ..

A foretaste of Obamacare?

PING!


27 posted on 06/25/2014 7:37:06 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Border Crisis = Cloward-Piven, Chicano-style!)
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To: QT3.14; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

V A ping.


28 posted on 06/25/2014 7:55:44 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: null and void


29 posted on 06/25/2014 8:43:31 PM PDT by QT3.14 (DEAD BROKE! This space for sale)
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To: QT3.14

As a Vet, this p*sses me off to no end. And you do NOT want to p*ss me off!

Red Flag me RIGHT NOW, ya B@stards! I DARE YOU!


30 posted on 06/25/2014 8:49:17 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: null and void

government managed ‘care’


31 posted on 06/25/2014 8:56:08 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: QT3.14
If you're getting something for next to nothing, is it worth using a little grease to bend them to your will?

I've been dealing with the VA for 3 years. I've blandly acted the grey ghost who always smiles and never bitches. It has gotten me more than when I had to keep dealing with the Hotel Of Death that is disguised as my local hospital.

They haven't yet read my thoughts.

32 posted on 06/25/2014 9:18:19 PM PDT by jonascord (Laeti vescimur nos subacturis)
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To: All
A comment posted at the link:

I am a veteran with a red flag I just don't know why. I was told it cannot be removed. So what am I suppose to do ?

Cannot be removed? Amazing when you consider a court just ruled it is unconstitutional to put folks on the No Fly List without explanation or what they can do to get off!

33 posted on 06/25/2014 9:25:34 PM PDT by QT3.14 (DEAD BROKE! This space for sale)
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To: jonascord
== They haven't yet read my thoughts. ==


34 posted on 06/25/2014 9:36:30 PM PDT by QT3.14 (DEAD BROKE! This space for sale)
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To: jonascord
All sources of “healthcare” have been morphing into VA types of places over the years. IMHO it is because the payment does not come directly from the patient, it comes from an “insurance company”. As the government takes more control, care will continue to go downhill and those expressing displeasure will be punished. Maybe you will get fake smiles back if you smile and act compliant, but you also cannot ask a question about anything or the tables will turn on you. Also, I have heard and read that doctors love educated informed patients that ask questions and I say BS. (no doubt there are exceptions, but generally THEY consider themselves as expert and do not want questions or discussion period.)
35 posted on 06/25/2014 9:52:50 PM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: GILTN1stborn
Short of civil war, and eliminating the current dictatorship, it is too late to change the health care system. We have to deal with it, or start looking for underground homeopathic quacks.

You can join the Inner Party, and sell your soul, work for the Outer Party, join the weekly 2 Minute Hate, or be a prole, and believe that we have ALWAYS been at war with East Asia.

The Communists won.

Or, make the Holocaust look like a warm up.

36 posted on 06/25/2014 10:17:37 PM PDT by jonascord (Laeti vescimur nos subacturis)
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To: jonascord
Or, make the Holocaust look like a warm up.

chilling thought that does seem just around the corner

37 posted on 06/25/2014 10:45:38 PM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: South Dakota
VA health care has never been the best. My dad a WW2 Vet died of lung cancer they 'failed' to find until it was to late. Chest xrays every 3 months and they just missed it? I don't think so. I think they found it and just let it kill him as he was getting to costly to treat because of age and health. Official cause of death is lung cancer, when actually the pain meds stopped his heart. When they did 'find it' they gave him 6 weeks to live. He made 3 months in horrible pain.

He was a career boilermaker at a large steel mill after the war until he was injured OTJ that disabled him and caused him to have emphazima. No rules about safety back then.

38 posted on 06/26/2014 4:20:59 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Letter to my US Rep (R), not that I think anything will come of it.

I write to you as a concerned US Citizen, wife of a Retired SCPO who served his Country for 20 years. He is 74 in two months. Which makes Tricare Life his secondary to Medicare.

It is your next DC. Veterans scandal. We were notified that as of 4/14/2014 via DOD MANDATE that all daily medications be either gotten through Military Base Dispensaries whose drugs are limited by size of base and is not wheel chair or handicap friendly and is very dehumanizing, long waits, and refills are for our region out of Pensacola, FL. IF they can fill the original at the base they should be able to refill it from there too. Or through the very CORRUPT Express Scripts. This company has defrauded tax payers and customers out of hundreds of millions of dollars. It is a very cumbersome system to use. There is a money trail there to be sure. I don’t have the resources to find it. I found the fraud easy enough and the customer complaints. We are talking a multi- BILLION dollar contract for the entire Tricare Life Retired Military all branches.

You never know if your order is right, what generic, what manufacture, or what country. And a Dispense as Written Script can be changed to a generic by either of them at their whim. Doctors write DAW scripts for a reason, usually the generic does not work, is a ‘small window drug’ like Synthroid, where the generic is simply not of the same quality, and the fillers have side effects. I singled out the Synthroid as I have been on it nearly 30 years. The generic does NOT function at the same level and has side effects. My Script for it is DAW per my Endocrinologist who knows my health better than some government bureaucrat or politician who are not Endocrinologist.

You medicine is delivered via USPS UN PHOTO ID SIGNED FOR. Just stuffed in your mailbox regardless of weather which medication is sensitive to, or the fact that it makes it a target for curious children, meth makers or drug thieves. We are not talking about small dollar medications either.
My husband’s Welchol is nearly $300 a 30 supply times 3, that is $900 of medicine just stuffed in the mailbox. My Linzess is $890 for a 90 day supply, it will be stuffed in my HOT, HUMID mail box in about 8 days, took 3 weeks to get this script filled as first had to obtain a paper script and mail it in.

Express Scripts Accused Of Defrauding State And Consumers Out Of Millions Of Dollars
http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-release/express-scripts-accused-defrauding-state-and-consumers-out-millions-dollars

NY attorney general sues Express Scripts, Benefits firm accused of inflating prices, keeping up to $100 Million
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5601076/ns/business-corporate_scandals/t/ny-attorney-general-sues-express-scripts/#.U381ECh7SMQ

Express Scripts Extortion Scheme Widens
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/09/express_scripts_breach.html

Express Scripts complaints (PLEASE READ THEM very insightful into the fraud, incompetence and corruption.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/rx/express_scripts.html

ES Customer Service ranking
http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/Express+Scripts

Express Scripts RIP OFF
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/express-scripts

ES buys out Medco29 Billion, this was a scandal plagued company when bought by ES.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20120402/NEWS/304029961

Military Waste and Fraud Continue In the Middle of the Government Shutdown HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM : PALM GREASING

Washington’s Blog
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/10/wasted-military.html

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part1


39 posted on 06/26/2014 4:27:40 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: QT3.14

It’s important to break and emotionally castrate our soldiers... gotta humiliate them before they die from lack of treatment. It’s the liberal elite way... bet 90% percent of these ‘doctors’ are democrats.


40 posted on 06/26/2014 5:04:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hey IRS - those receipts you wanted? The dog ate 'em. -New Name:"Washington Thinskins" -FR. coloeo)
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To: GeronL

The squeaky wheel gets greased PING!


41 posted on 06/26/2014 12:45:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: QT3.14

Kind of off topic but a few years ago I was enjoying a happy hour cocktail at a local bar near the VA. I started talking to a guy who told me he was a nurse at the VA. He went on to tell me about this small/short black guy who was institutionalized there who was a 110% bad mofo. He said this guy would severely beat up two or three big brawny orderlies on a daily basis. They were all scared to death of this guy.


42 posted on 06/26/2014 5:44:12 PM PDT by lwd
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To: GailA

Your dad had heavy asbestos exposure if he was a boilermaker. That and smoking raised his chances of getting lung cancer substantially. Sorry for your loss.


43 posted on 06/26/2014 6:20:27 PM PDT by lwd
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To: lwd

Oh, that I know all to well. God only knows what toxins he breathed on the battle field that was a contributing factor too. He was a T/5. 5 major battles in the Pacific,during his 6 yrs in the Pacific, including Corrigidor, where he and a PFC put OUR FLAG back up on a telegraph pole under sniper fire. Bronze Star, 503rd Airborne. He also went into Japan at Nagasaki after the war has ‘officially’ ended. Some of those chems they used in WW2 are now banned.

The fact the VA never found it until to late, is the real issue. He was getting chest xrays every 3 months. He was not on OX either.

I miss my Dad, but know he is in a far better place. And I’ll see him inside the Eastern Gate 1 day.

Which is why I fuss at my grown sons for the bad habit. 1 has a 12 yr old, real fine example he sets. That and his BAD language. They did not learn it at home. Sarc/


44 posted on 06/27/2014 7:12:22 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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