Skip to comments.Issa Expands Investigation – Subpoenas 28 Years of Lois Lerner Emails
Posted on 06/25/2014 5:57:32 PM PDT by Nachum
Lois Lerner, the controversial director of the tax-exempt organizations division at the Internal Revenue Service, has a long sordid history of targeting conservatives.
Under the direction of Lois Lerner, the Federal Election Commission sued the Christian Coalition in the 1990s. She harassed the Christian Coalition for three election cycles. Eventually, she lost her case. At one point Lerner even asked a targeted conservative if Pat Robertson prayed over him. (Sound familiar?)
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Toothless tiresome tiger.
The way things have ramped up today with no response from the democrats makes me wonder if the GOP doesn’t already have a lot of the e-mails.
She wizzed on a member of the club. There could be a price to pay for that...
Issa is an idiot.
This has nothing to do with Christians.
It has to do with law.
Let’s say we get lucky and she does 5 years in prison:
Should the punishment for reversing a Presidential election be FIVE YEARS?
I’d say 20 years wouldn’t suffice.
Because THAT is what she did —this was all a huge pre-emptive attack leading up to Obama’s squeaker re-election.
that is very, very serious.
I agree. I think we might end up pleasantly surprised.
But I learned not to get my hopes up when the Clinton’s were infesting the White House.
Trey Gowdy knows what he’s doing.
It’s a moot point.
Obama still scored.
Need a new strategrey.
The best we have.
That’s it, I’m done. It would kill this guy to stick to one issue and pursue it as if he knew what he was doing instead of changing the subject, then changing the scope, then changing the timeline, then changing something else.
He is an incompetent pretend-lawyer and because of his blue-collar background it is feeding his ego somehow to make high level bureaucrats squirm. But he is making really, really stupid mistakes born of this pretend-lawyer crap and is actually sabotaging his investigation. By changing the topic, he is making it look he doesn’t have enough material to work on and is only interested in harassing the IRS. This is destroying the case.
He has to be replaced on this committee. Hopefully with Gowdy. But Issa is blowing it, big time.
Trey Gowdey seems like a pit bull.
Issa? Not so much LOL
Absolutely, but the implications are worse than just a “stylistic” distinction. Issa is causing this thing to get diffused, confused, blurred. Because he isn’t able to get any traction he’s making it seem more and more like there’s no “there” there. And this is because he is not a trained interrogator, like Gowdy is. He’s pretending. And his little game is getting closer to blowing this thing up.
And if this admin cannot be indicted over the IRS thing, NONE of the others will hold. Because this one is the most illegal, by far.
Much like the entire GOPe and weeper of the house...
As R. Reagan said” “We win, they lose”.
Despair is considered a sin. I believe its considered especially bad because its infectious.
A great opportunity to sell new hardware to replace all of the government’s hard disks and backup tapes that are about to fail. There’s money to be made!
“And this is because he is not a trained interrogator, like Gowdy is. Hes pretending. And his little game is getting closer to blowing this thing up.”
Issa is a car alarm peddler!
This pattern of intimidation reaching back over decades is very important. Forcing someone out of politics thru the misuse of the power of the office is not only illegal but also shows the arrogance and willingness of entrenched bureaucrats to destroy anyone who might fight back. Faceless bureaucrats using absolute power to destroy their ideological enemies shows they have for decades had no fear of the law being turned on them.
I can tell you these exact same tactics were used on businesses and the people that ran them as a matter of course for decades. I know, and they were not limited to the IRS. Unless you were on the receiving end of this you can not know the effect it had and continues to have on people and families. This is the first time I have seen someone use the power of Congress to uncover what I have long viewed as the most evil part of government.
I applaud Issa’s efforts, it takes a lot of spine to take on the people who really run D.C.. You see, they can go after his family and friends also, they have the power and till now no fear of any pay back. I wish Issa all the luck in the world and may God have his back.
I didn't watch the link and was ONLY bumping the thread in general.
Now I am embarrassed!!!!!
No worries! LOL
What exactly are you confused about? Do you understand that he is putting the heat on Lerner in a effort to push her to seek immunity? He has said that if she will proffer - reveal what she knows - then she can receive immunity.
I also. The cabal of naysayers on this board leads me to think we are being overrun with trolls and plants. Here's my boilerplate.
How about this? How about we stop the nothings gonna happen meme that dominates this board? I am sure it makes some feel smart and smug. But, that steady stream of demoralizing comments, thread after thread, day after day, is actually aiding and abetting. Someone correct me and defend the strategy of constantly declaring defeat in the midst of the battle.
I was lurker here in the Clinton days and there have always been wolves in sheep’s clothing here, it is not new only the numbers seem to have grown larger.
I agree with you on all counts. If Issa digs deeper he will find that what Lerner has done is common thru out the Fed’s enforcement branches. It will be a great service to shine a little sunlight on these cockroaches and watch them run for cover. And damned entertaining too.
“Sorry, my dot matrix printer ate them all”
Issa is fighting a lot of people. :(
There is nothing *I* am confused about, but I am not the one who controls the outcome of this thing.
It is fine that Issa is offering immunity, but as one who, while not a lawyer, has been involved intimately with several lawsuits including some big ones....
Issa SHOULD have moved to seize those drives from day 1. He starts out, he asks a bunch of questions, appears to find a few things out, then acts in response to what he has learned, or suspects. Then he finds out some more things, and again moves in response to what he learns. Then he does it again. And again.
This is not characteristic of a well-planned and carefully orchestrated “campaign”. It is more like a scientific inquiry, where you find out something, you go here, you find out something else, you go there. And all you’re interested in, on some indeterminate timeframe, is finding out objective truth. This is not like that, there are attention-span issues, there is the proven ability of this admin to stonewall forever. This is not cutting to the bone. It is herky-jerky. It is hit-and-miss. Yes, it is possible that he will end up in some place that “prevails”. But as more and more time is taken up and more and more efforts come to naught, even if there is some effort that DOES lead to something, the likelihood that the whole thing dissipates grows larger.
I for one have little doubt that if Lerner is offered immunity and it really, really appears like she will spill the beans, she will be killed. She will have a mysterious heart attack or car accident. There, I said it.
And by the way....she knows it, too.
And do you really think that should that occur, the meme will be that that the evil Republicans harassed her to death?
‘Issa is fighting a lot of people. :(’
NEWSFLASH! There are a hell of a lot more of us folks who have been on the receiving end of this BS than there are of them. Some of us remember who they are. We have not forgotten nor forgiven.
The soldiers will give up the capos, the capos will give up the Don. Let’s roll!
Issa has filed 4 criminal charges on Lerner. The DOJ has not acted. Time to start impeachment on Holder.
‘I for one have little doubt that if Lerner is offered immunity and it really, really appears like she will spill the beans, she will be killed’
Lerner is not the only who filled this particular can of beans and there are many more who can kick this can over. If Lerner suddenly kicks the bucket aside from justice being served, that would also quite possibly force the others to run straight to Issa.
Issa is allowing them to do what stupid criminals do and that is paint themselves into a corner. No one who pays attention believes a word these thugs are saying, and the more evidence they destroy the farther up the ladder this goes. We only had Lerner and one hard drive, now, if I am counting correctly, we have 5 more names and hard drives.
Could be there is method to Issa’s madness.
Could be. I doubt it, as he is not a credentialed lawyer and I don’t discern “lawyerly” skill in his various interrogations.
But I have no doubt that you and I want exactly the same thing, so I am not arguing with you on that.
Really, the issue with this admin, over and over, is that it flat out doesn’t matter how deep nor how wide the lawlessness goes if there is no threat nor actuality of prosecution. It’s no more complicated than that. Whatever prosecution occurs to the characters in this thing, if it originates with Holder, my view is that it will be internally sabotaged and will go nowhere.
Trey Gowdy is doing Benghazi, not IRS.
Gowdy is also on the Oversight Committee and took part in the recent hearings. I recall Gowdy saying in an interview about a year ago that a good prosecutor never asks a direct question unless he already knows the truthful answer. With that context, you might want to go over to the recording of the second session of the hearing (link below) and listen to Gowdy questioning the WH (and former IRS) lawyer O’Connor.
Gowdy begins questioning OConnor around 31:00 . At the very end (close to 36:00) he asks OConnor whether Lerner used her personal computer, and the I know nuthin liar mumbles “I don’t know.” Gowdy shoots back: She did! At which point his 5 minutes were up.
When Gowdy shot that She did! at her it was letting her know that she is in deep trouble. I think they have proof that OConnor is part of the cover up. That may have been a warning to her, that she has been trapped and she should spill the beans now.
That was Tuesday. Then on Wednesday we learn about the Grassley thing: emails to and from Lerner’s Blackberry. Hmm, Lerner and others now realize that the committee has more than they thought. That also shows that a respected Republican politician was almost targeted. This targeting of Republicans is Lerner’s M.O. With that in mind, have a read of this from Lerner’s old FEC days:
Salvi of course was a former law partner of Congressman Roskam, the House deputy Whip. They know that Lerner was intimidating people from her FEC days.
That’s why (I think) Issa is now subpoenaing the 28 years of Lerner’s documents. They will find either Lerner has pulled this “a hard drive crash ate my records” routine before, or they will find that she was abusing her power systematically for years.
Issa now comes out suggesting immunity (only with an offer of what she will say) and point blank calls this a conspiracy.
They are after Lerner, but only in so far as she leads them to a wider and bigger catch.
Of course, Gowdy does have bigger fish to fry over at the Benghazi special investigation, but he will be playing a key role with this IRS thing as well.
Sorry I thought you meant as chairman.
Gowdy has been doing great in the hearings, but if he is advising Issa, Issa doesn't seem to be listening!
I would much prefer Gowdy a chairman (Issa is in over his head), but I do expect some facts to come out in the Benghazi thing.
Trey Gowdy is doing Benghazi, not IRS.
Didn’t you see Gowdy chew up the IRS Commissioner?
Excellent summary, Cap Huff. Great work. thanks.
So in your opinion is anyone going to jail? I am impressed with your post and your opinion would be valuable.
My opinion is just the opinion of an old Freeper who watches and thinks about the events.
Ultimately I think some will be convicted of felonies in this conspiracy. But we are a long way from that right now. Issa has referred at least four criminal counts against Lerner to the Justice Department, and they are going nowhere right now because of Holder. They have to get Holder out of there before we see any criminal investigations and indictments. This is all so obvious it doesn’t take any real analytical skills.
I also think this will take a lot of guidance from Gowdy and maybe Jordan. Gowdy in particular is sharp and aggressive. He is chairing the Benghazi scandal, so his efforts for the IRS thing may be limited. I think if Gowdy had been in charge of Oversight from the beginning we’d be further ahead right now.
I know a lot of Freepers are down on Issa, and with some reason for sure, but I think he is just in over his head. I think he’s wanted to do a good job, but the Obama administration has simply overwhelmed the House with their audacious flood of scandal. Issa is not a lawyer and not a prosecutor and can’t quite handle it. As long as he is listening to Gowdy and Jordan I think he will make headway, but slowly.
If they can make the case to the American public that Holder should be impeached, then there will be an avalanche of counts. Cold cases like Fast and Furious would be fair game again and the efforts there will not have been in vain.
The IRS thing has finally gotten the attention of the American people. The vast majority of people think there is fire behind the smoke. I think we’re getting there slowly.
I had thought there might be another leak today, but so far nothing. It might have made good fodder for the Sunday talking heads to talk about, or to ignore. I think it is too late in the cycle for that. I would anticipate early next week we may see another nudge -— something to focus on for the days leading up to the 4th of July weekend. That would be important. People gather together with family and friends for picnics and what not, and a lot of opinions on politics get discussed informally. Back in 2009, as I recall, as the Tea Party thing was getting started there was a sharp drop in obama’s approval rating right after the 4th. If the Oversight Committee has a bombshell email or development, they need to get it out there Monday or Tuesday, so by Friday it will be widely known and ready for discussing over a cold beer or two.
I did see the following thread on the Grassley connection:
Some good background, but the writer does not try to pose or answer the obvious questions. Did Grassley get an invitation? I know I read that he did not get Lerner’s. If Grassley received an envelope addressed to him with Lerner’s invitation surely his office would have contacted Lerner. That did not happen. Did Lerner’s office contact Grassley’s? No one is saying. This has the look and feel of a sting operation. Grassley and his wife signed releases for releasing the information, but has anyone really asked Grassley more about it? It sure looks like someone was trying to set Grassley up, and it looks like someone in that organization was working with Lerner.
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