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What Possesses Someone to Kill Babies in Late-Term Abortions?
Life News ^ | 6/26/14 | Jonathon Van Maren

Posted on 06/26/2014 9:09:19 AM PDT by wagglebee

On May 31, 2009, late-term abortionist Dr. George Tiller was shot by a mentally disturbed convicted felon named Scott Roeder. The darkness of late-term abortion and infanticide was met with the darkness of murder. In the aftermath, condemnations and accusations abounded as activists, talking heads, and politicians argued about who, exactly, had more blood on their hands.

Four years later in 2013, a film titled After Tiller was released by directors Martha Shane and Lana Wilson. The documentary follows the four remaining late-term abortion providers in the U.S. and purported to shine a light into the cultural darkness surrounding the issue. The four abortionists—many of them very well-known to the pro-life movement—are LeRoy Carhart, Warren Hern, Shelley Sella, and Susan Robinson.

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This week, I decided to watch it.

I wasn’t expecting much, to be honest. The film was marketed to a pro-“choice” audience, directed by pro-choice activists, and publicized by some of North America’s most extremist abortion groups. I just assumed it would be insultingly blatant propaganda.

Perhaps one of the only other documentaries that can really compare to After Tiller is HBO’s How To Die In Oregon, which follows a number of people who have chosen to opt for suicide. In one scene a beautiful, elegant older woman decides to kill herself due to progressing cancer. Gut-wrenching doesn’t even begin to describe the experience of watching a human being deciding to kill herself. Gut-lacerating is more like it. After Tiller has much of the same emotional effect.

Pro-lifers often stare into the corpse-filled chasm that fills the No-Man’s Land of the Abortion Wars. This film lifts our gaze to the sweaty faces on the other side and maybe, just maybe, allows us to see a glimmer of hope there.

The abortionists are portrayed, predictably, in a sympathetic light. LeRoy Carhart is seen gently counselling his newest patients—or victims—and appears to be a gentle man. Pro-lifers are shown as hostile and militant. Missing from the film is any mention of the women who died at Carhart’s hands during excruciatingly late abortion procedures that he morbidly bungled. Missing is any mention of the University of Nebraska firing him in 2001 when they discovered that Carhart was supplying pieces of babies to their research department. And although Carhart is portrayed as an avid animal lover whose horse barns were once cruelly torched by extremists, the filmmakers fail to mention that in 1992, Carhart had four horses and two dogs confiscated by the Humane Society due to neglect—an officer claimed that the animals were “in danger of death.”

In spite of all this, and in spite of the fact that the intention of the filmmakers was obviously to create a pro-“choice” propaganda piece, truth still shines through in a powerful way. Anyone with empathy cannot help but be heartbroken by the situations that the patients of these abortionists find themselves in. We see women and men sobbing, broken, as they describe finding out that their pre-born child is not viable. We hear them describing the suffering that their child would endure should he survive birth. We witness their undeniable pain and moral conflict as they beg for a solution not from a healer, but from someone who will kill their child. And their tears become our tears in the face of such profound unhappiness and loss.

And, if we are honest, we will admit that in many cases the reactions of these abortionists is the result of the empathy that they feel, too, when they see these tear-stained faces. Their work is profoundly inhuman, but their hugs, their soft-spoken voices, their words of comfort—these are human. The light in their hearts, as hard as it might be to believe, has not been doused by the gallons upon gallons of blood they shed as their barbaric solution to these crushing circumstances. Indeed, as Shelley Sella says earnestly to the camera: “Unless you understand what’s going on for the woman, you can’t support it. It sounds barbaric.”

And it still is. The response to the grief of realizing that a child’s life will be short is not to truncate it further. When we have limited time with a loved one, our answer should not be to kill that person, but rather to treasure the short time that we have left. We should do everything we can to kill suffering, not humans: which even the abortionists in After Tiller readily admit that the pre-born children are: “The reason I struggle,” Shelly Sella says softly, “is I think of them as babies.”

And that, ironically and intentionally, is the one thing missing from a documentary on late-term abortion practice: Actual footage of the babies, of a late-term abortion. We don’t get to see tiny children dragging in their last, shuddering breath of life, or hanging from the birth canal with life-blood pulsing out onto their mothers and the “medical professional” paid to end their lives. Because if we did, we couldn’t allow the humanity of the abortionist and the grief of the mother shield our moral intuition from the inhumanity and cruelty of what is actually taking place.

After Tiller is an important documentary because it is an essential reminder to all pro-lifers: There is broken humanity behind the carnage of the broken bodies we so often see. The abortion activists we are fighting are not demons, even though the actions we see are so often demonic. Who knows? Perhaps the flickers and sparks of empathy we see in the hearts of these abortionists can be cupped by compassion, nurtured with the breezes of truth, and fanned into flames of moral clarity that will lead them to feel for the pre-born children they now discard. Pro-lifers often stare into the corpse-filled chasm that fills the No-Man’s Land of the Abortion Wars. This film lifts our gaze to the sweaty faces on the other side and maybe, just maybe, allows us to see a glimmer of hope there.

LifeNews Note: Jonathon Van Maren writes for the Canadian Center for Bioethical Reform.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; leroycarhart; moralabsolutes; prolife; shellysella; susanrobinson; warrenhern
When we have limited time with a loved one, our answer should not be to kill that person, but rather to treasure the short time that we have left. We should do everything we can to kill suffering, not humans: which even the abortionists in After Tiller readily admit that the pre-born children are: “The reason I struggle,” Shelly Sella says softly, “is I think of them as babies.”

This is even worse than the "blob of tissue" defense, she KNOWS they are babies and still chooses to murder them.

1 posted on 06/26/2014 9:09:19 AM PDT by wagglebee
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3 posted on 06/26/2014 9:10:49 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Baal


4 posted on 06/26/2014 9:15:14 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: dartuser

Demonic possession?


5 posted on 06/26/2014 9:19:27 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: wagglebee

Adolf Hitler was very kind to animals. Didn’t stop him from working to exterminate most of the Jewish population in Europe.

Spare me.


6 posted on 06/26/2014 9:22:44 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: wagglebee

Depravity


7 posted on 06/26/2014 9:27:05 AM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: wagglebee

Uh, could it be.....oh, I don’t know........satan???


8 posted on 06/26/2014 9:27:32 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: wagglebee; All

Well in some cases it is because the woman carrying the fetus (won’t call her a mother) wants to enjoy the death agony of the fetus while it is in the birth canal. If the infant is killed slowly by means of having its brain matter suctioned out it fights and struggles and this produces what these females describe as ‘enormous orgasms, one after the other. This is not a hoax or fantasy, such procedures can be, and are, done in the Netherlands and Russia. Very ‘sophisticated’ Europeans consider such events to be highly ‘erotically stimulating’ and enjoy making a party of the event.


9 posted on 06/26/2014 9:45:07 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: wagglebee

THE LOVE OF MONEY.


10 posted on 06/26/2014 9:46:41 AM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: robowombat

Whatever else I believe about abortions, I don’t believe that.


11 posted on 06/26/2014 9:50:30 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: wagglebee

The very same lawyers who fight for condemned criminals for decades to keep them alive.


12 posted on 06/26/2014 10:02:24 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: dartuser

My thought, precisely. The Left seems to presume of innocence when it comes to people who video chopping off heads, but presume an unborn child to be worthy of the death penalty.


13 posted on 06/26/2014 10:11:58 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: robowombat

WHAT?!!!???

Where did you get that idea? Do you have a link to support your claim?


14 posted on 06/26/2014 10:19:12 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Bitter clinger & creepy-ass cracker)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Take a look at the ‘Abortionfetish’ site on Yahoo. It has been inundated by spam and now has no moderator but the trail starts there. The females involved now avoid open sites and communicate individually or through invitation only sites.


15 posted on 06/26/2014 10:23:03 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: wagglebee

I’ve had to have a very honest heart-to-heart with myself over these issues - from many angles. Sometimes, it’s easy to make a judgement until you’ve actually been in that situation.

First, rape. I was raped. And there was a pregnancy scare three weeks later. For two hours, I had to sit quietly in a doctor’s office while I considered all of the ramifications. I finally came to the conclusion that this would be *my* baby and that it’s not the child’s fault that the father was a criminal. Nobody should be punished for their parents’ sins. My decision was made by the time I was called to receive the results of my blood test. I would never kill my child.

Second, if the child’s going to have a short life. Again, the decision wasn’t so hard. I made that decision with a dog. How could I do differently with a baby? Give them all the love I could, while I could.

Third, the child would have severe physical disabilities. I’ve known too many people with physical disabilities that love their lives. If they wouldn’t commit suicide, how could I justify murder?

Fourth, the child would have severe mental disabilities.

Now here’s the one that trips me up. I was diagnosed with PVS when I was born. The diagnosis was that I would never walk, talk, or even have the ability to be potty trained. Yet, here I am. Married. Two kids raised and a new grandchild. Some college. Diagnoses can be wrong. (Yes. I didn’t have reflexes until I was 6 weeks old. I didn’t cry until 3 months. But I was walking and talking by a year. Go figure.)

On the other hand, I worked at a home for mentally disabled adults and it was horrible. The worst situations were where this person was loved and cared for until family died, then they were dumped in these holes. I cannot begin to express how horrible this was.

Death would’ve been kinder. I am not exaggerating. We had a man who had his gallbladder removed without anesthetic because the dr didn’t believe that ‘those people’ could feel pain. The bewildered, horrified confusion in their eyes as they were psychologically and physically abused (all of it legal) was agonizing. (I fought. I called families. I reported. Finally, I quit.) Yet, NOBODY was sued or prosecuted. NOBODY CARES. The majority of it was legal.

I could not abandon my child to that. I just couldn’t. I’m afraid that I’d be one of those mothers who, seeing the end, gave their kid a merciful death to prevent suffering.

But would I abort?

No. Not as long as I was there to protect and love them. I’d have to give them a fighting chance.

But until you *really* pause and say, “What would I do...? Honestly?” and put yourself in the situation - with all of the fear and doubt - the kneejerk reaction is without compassion for the realities of the people suffering.


16 posted on 06/26/2014 10:34:17 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Marie

I wouldn’t have survived the Holocaust. Just sayin’.


17 posted on 06/26/2014 10:34:45 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: wagglebee
What Possesses Someone to Kill Babies in Late-Term Abortions?

Ahh They are cold hearted amoral @$$hats. That is the only reason I can think of. Either that or they sold their soul to the devil and are looking to make good on the bargain, take your pick.

18 posted on 06/26/2014 10:37:22 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: dartuser

Yes indeed...Baal is very much alive. I remember reading about Baal as a child and I simply could not comprehend how parents would willingly sacrifice their children to a false god. Today I fully understand that evil exists and people have willingly given themselves over to their flesh nature with their selfish desires. God will judge and justice will be done...only in that do I find comfort.


19 posted on 06/26/2014 10:42:37 AM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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Many of these people would have felt at home in Auschwitz helping the SS, ya think?


20 posted on 06/26/2014 10:56:15 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Evil didn’t end with the fall of the Third Reich. :(


21 posted on 06/26/2014 11:08:29 AM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!l go)
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To: wagglebee
I remember reading one article that found the "breakup of the relationship with the father" to be a factor in a good percentage of the cases.

Some of these women may have thought that getting pregnant might have resulted in the guy marrying them. When that wasn't his reaction, then they have no reason to continue the pregnancy.

22 posted on 06/26/2014 11:42:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: robowombat

Comments like yours hurt the pro-life movement .


23 posted on 06/26/2014 11:42:06 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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....”The abortionists are portrayed, predictably, in a sympathetic “light”.....

Not only does the enemy of mens souls masqurade as “light”....but he presents those who do his work as “light”.....otherwise man would run from the truth that we have ‘murdering’ clinics and ‘butchers’ of babies doing his work....and the mothers who willingly enter those doors.


24 posted on 06/26/2014 11:52:46 AM PDT by caww
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Do you have ANY actual documentation to support this bizarre claim? Yahoo chat rooms about stuff like this are more than likely hoaxes.

I have read just about everything out there regarding abortion and I have talked to numerous women who have had abortions and NOTHING that I've read or heard even hinted that women received any sexual gratification from abortion.

I'm really wondering if you are serious, joking or a troll trying to create trouble.

25 posted on 06/26/2014 12:21:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

No no trolling, this is just a logical step on the progression of secularism. Wait until artificial life forms that appear to be fully human can be fabricated. That is not a joke either.


26 posted on 06/26/2014 12:32:05 PM PDT by robowombat
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No no trolling, this is just a logical step on the progression of secularism.

Then where is the DOCUMENTATION?

There are a lot of us who have been involved with the pro-life movement for a long time and none of what you said sounds familiar or even plausibly true.

27 posted on 06/26/2014 12:35:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

And then I think of the money and I get over it.


28 posted on 06/26/2014 12:42:53 PM PDT by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: robowombat

I don’t believe you.


29 posted on 06/26/2014 1:05:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Or something worse.


30 posted on 06/26/2014 1:13:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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You got that right.


31 posted on 06/26/2014 2:17:08 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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Unless there is a medical emergency in which the mother’s life is in grave danger, I see no justification for something like this. I do think that many of the physicians who perform these late-term procedures are psychopaths.


32 posted on 06/26/2014 3:02:24 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: wagglebee

33 posted on 06/26/2014 6:10:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Richard Hanna is for late-term abortion, and even got an award from Planned Parenthood.


34 posted on 06/26/2014 10:17:31 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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