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Is the Gay Gene a myth? Scientists say homosexuality impossible to determine by DNA
Christian News ^ | 07/23/2014 | Garrett Haley

Posted on 06/26/2014 7:09:25 PM PDT by NetAddicted

CHICAGO – The results of a comprehensive scientific study released earlier this year suggest that homosexuality cannot be directly traced to a ‘gay gene,’ but is instead dependent on a variety of factors, including environmental and social influences.

Pro-homosexual activists have long claimed that homosexuality and abnormal “sexual orientations” are primarily caused by genetic factors. They argue that individuals with a hereditary “gay gene” are predisposed toward same-sex attractions and thus unable to appreciate traditional marriages.

However, scientific findings released earlier this year during the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Chicago call this premise into question. During the meeting, Michael Bailey of Northwestern University unveiled comprehensive research results which suggest that genetics alone do not determine “sexual orientation.”

In his research, Bailey and other scientists examined the DNA of 400 men who described themselves as homosexual. Ultimately, the researchers concluded that homosexuality cannot be traced to specific genes.

“The genes were neither sufficient, nor necessary, to make any of the men gay,” wrote Ian Sample, science correspondent for The Guardian.

The findings show that it is impossible to accurately predict a person’s sexual behavior by solely examining DNA.

“The flawed thinking behind a genetic test for sexual orientation is clear from studies of twins, which show that the identical twin of a gay man, who carries an exact replica of his brother’s DNA, is more likely to be straight than gay,” The Guardian article continues. “That means even a perfect genetic test that picked up every gene linked to sexual orientation would still be less effective than flipping a coin.”

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Alan Sanders, a Northwestern University professor who led the recent study, confirmed that the “gay gene” theory is largely unfounded.

“We don’t think genetics is the whole story,” Sanders stated, according to The Telegraph. “It’s not.”

Though the scientists maintained that genetics do at least partly influence sexual orientation, these recent findings undermine the belief that homosexuality is predetermined. Environmental factors, such as the absence of a father or an unhealthy domestic upbringing, might play significant roles.

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association says the scientific findings show that homosexual behavior is ultimately an individual choice.

“Without a genetic causation, sexual preference in behavior is clearly a choice, a choice which no one is compelled to make,” Fischer wrote in a column last week. “And that choice can be evaluated in any number of ways, including whether or not it is good for human health and whether or not same-sex households are sub-optimal nurturing environments for vulnerable young children.”

“If homosexual conduct is ultimately a matter of choice,” Fischer continued, “then the homosexual lobby has nothing, because homosexual conduct is clearly harmful to human beings in any number of ways, not the least of which is serving as the leading cause of HIV/AIDS, which can leave young men disease-ridden and destined for an early grave.”

“I am not persuaded that genes are even a contributing factor,” he added. “But even if they are, the great news is that if individuals are not biologically predetermined to pursue the homosexual lifestyle, then change is possible as a matter of scientific fact. This leads to one simple, salient truth: there is hope for the homosexual.”


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1 posted on 06/26/2014 7:09:25 PM PDT by NetAddicted
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To: NetAddicted

It was obvious that this idea was bs from the get go.


2 posted on 06/26/2014 7:11:00 PM PDT by dila813
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To: NetAddicted

I believe homosexuality is 99% nurture and 1% nature with the nature part of the equation being a tendency that can be overcome.


3 posted on 06/26/2014 7:11:58 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: NetAddicted

Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: homosexuality is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?


4 posted on 06/26/2014 7:13:08 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: NetAddicted
Damn, we can't have this sort of honest research going on. We might come into conflict with the ideologies of Progressives.

On another thread, there is a discussion about homsexuals being more likely to have mental disorders than heterosexuals. The pet explanation is that homosexuals are still not accepted and hence feel badly. But what happens when this excuse wears thin? Society is increasingly accepting of homosexual behavior. So shouldn't the incidence of psychological problems be decreasing?

Heck, after this sort of research, maybe someone will actually look at real temperature data instead of AGW models.

5 posted on 06/26/2014 7:15:04 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Misterioso

No, G-d said we were likely to sin, & He made sure He told us that homosexual acts are a sin. A HUGE sin. Now that we know, it’s up to us.


6 posted on 06/26/2014 7:16:25 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: frogjerk

Tendency, not gene.


7 posted on 06/26/2014 7:18:46 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Misterioso
"Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: homosexuality is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?"

So raping little boys and performing fellatio on an anonymous set of wedding tackle in a public restroom is part of God's Plan?

8 posted on 06/26/2014 7:20:19 PM PDT by jonascord (Laeti vescimur nos subacturis)
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To: Misterioso
Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: homosexuality is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?>

by this stretch of logic any activity can be considered part of "God's plan".

However, sin, which, homosexuality is, is not part of God's plan. Why? Because sin is not part of His plan.

9 posted on 06/26/2014 7:23:03 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: NetAddicted

It’s a choice like wearing a leather jacket OR a feather boa.. so is being a pedophile perv..

They prefer perversion even if they don’t know it’s perverted..
maybe even a form of parasitism.. They are societal parasites..


10 posted on 06/26/2014 7:24:29 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Misterioso

Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: homosexuality is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?

Cancer is also a part of God's plan, but man is not capable of understanding God's plan.

Why can't liberals accept the obvious: homosexuality is not normal? It's simply not normal for a member of any species to behave in such a manner that would cause the entire species to go extinct if the practice was widespread.

Christians love their fellow man and want to help those afflicted with homosexuality as much as they want to help those with cancer.

11 posted on 06/26/2014 7:24:38 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Misterioso

Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: bestiality is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?

Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: necrophilia is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?

SIN EXISTS.


12 posted on 06/26/2014 7:27:19 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Misterioso
Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: homosexuality is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?

This is saying that sin is a part of God's plan — if sin is a part of God's plan [that is His will] then James is wrong when he says:

(James 1:13)
No one, when tempted, should say, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil and he himself tempts no one.

13 posted on 06/26/2014 7:27:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Misterioso

Like pedophilia?


14 posted on 06/26/2014 7:27:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: frogjerk

Homosexuals are not born that way, they just get sucked into it.


15 posted on 06/26/2014 7:30:28 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: NetAddicted

There is no gay gene. If there were, then both identical twins in a set would be either hetero or homo. No mix and match allowed in an identical set.


16 posted on 06/26/2014 7:32:58 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: NetAddicted

Come on. How would a “gene” for homosexuality be adaptive to the point where it would perpetuate itself? I once read of a pundit who said that a shark could smell a “molecule of blood.” To which another pundit replied by pointing out that blood doesn’t come in molecules. Neither does homosexuality come in genes.


17 posted on 06/26/2014 7:33:30 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: NetAddicted
It's natural for males and females to be attracted to each other. The need for this in nature/evolution is quite obvious.

If someone is attracted to the same sex, then obviously that's a defect. Whether it's genetic or not, it doesn't matter... it's still a defect.

18 posted on 06/26/2014 7:35:54 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Misterioso

Romans 1:24
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies.


19 posted on 06/26/2014 7:37:17 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: NetAddicted

but isn’t sin satan’s plan? we are given agency.it is our choice to sin or not sin.


20 posted on 06/26/2014 7:37:20 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: NetAddicted

I doubt it can be 100% nature. I have NO doubt it is a perversion.


21 posted on 06/26/2014 7:37:57 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: NetAddicted

The end of abortion will be a “gay” gene. All it will take is a woman to abort a “gay” baby. Al Queerda has demonstrated it is one of the most powerful political forces in this country. If one single “gay” baby were to be aborted abortion laws would change over night.


22 posted on 06/26/2014 7:41:10 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: NetAddicted
It always was difficult. But the ‘scientists’ decided to tell people that it was in the DNA. The way that research is validated is for two researchers INDEPENDENTLY to come to the same conclusions. I saw two of the researchers on TV in the early 90’s claiming DNA association. They were both obviously gay. ‘Nuff said.
23 posted on 06/26/2014 7:41:39 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

or hijacked into it


24 posted on 06/26/2014 7:42:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: NetAddicted

homosexuality is determined by DNA when
DNA is found in the wrong place


25 posted on 06/26/2014 7:44:01 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: NetAddicted

My bias, without proof but from personal observation, is that child abuse is frequently behind homosexuality. I also can understand that some males are more effeminate than others and likewise, some women are much more masculine than most. Beyond that, there is certainly something wrong with the ostentatious “flaming fags” who seem at the head of the political movement. There is at least a tint of evil there.


26 posted on 06/26/2014 7:45:19 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: NetAddicted

Sexuality is learnt not in ‘your genes’. There are numerous indicators to prove it. What makes some cultures attracted to livestock? Is it in DNA too? LOL!


27 posted on 06/26/2014 7:46:51 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: hosepipe

That’s the first time I’ve read that, & it makes soooooooooopooopp much sense.


28 posted on 06/26/2014 7:48:34 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: NetAddicted

Homosexuality is a CHOICE!! UGGGGHH BANG MY HEAD ON THE WALL!!


29 posted on 06/26/2014 7:48:38 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: OneWingedShark

Awesome post!!


30 posted on 06/26/2014 7:49:48 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Misterioso

Please explain “God’s plan” as presented in the Bible.


31 posted on 06/26/2014 7:51:41 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: NetAddicted
“If homosexual conduct is ultimately a matter of choice,” Fischer continued, “then the homosexual lobby has nothing, because homosexual conduct is clearly harmful to human beings in any number of ways, not the least of which is serving as the leading cause of HIV/AIDS, which can leave young men disease-ridden and destined for an early grave.”

This is the reason for all the dishonest pseudo-science about homosexuality being predetermined by genetics. Homosexuals will not take responsibility for their actions. They must always be victims.

The false stories about Matthew Shepard and the poor AIDS infected people who were supposedly innocent victims is part of this same disinformation campaign.

The fact is homosexuals have free will. They choose to engage in perverse and unhealthy behavior. They spread disease.

32 posted on 06/26/2014 8:02:25 PM PDT by detective
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To: NetAddicted
if it did exist, faggots would deny it since it could be tested for and then aborted...
33 posted on 06/26/2014 8:04:57 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: NetAddicted
It has never been a mainstream position among behavioral scientists to attribute homosexual behavior to genetics. The occasional advocate sometimes makes the news, or TIME Magazine level reporting, but the serious professionals have always understood that homosexual behavior is multiply determined.

One stumbling block which always creates static in the lay reporting is the use of the word "choice." It is not a commonly used term for behavioral analysis.

The thing is, either you believe in some form of free will, in which case essentially all behavior is a "choice," or you follow a theory of psychophysiological determinism, in which case you seek environmental conditions which determine behavior, and "choice" is a mere subjective experience, not a cause.

It is useful to understand this by asking yourself, if you are a thorough heterosexual, when was it that you "chose" to be straight rather than gay, or rather than nothing? Odds are, if you are honest, you can't remember ever "choosing" such a thing.

One other complicating factor that renders most discussions useless, is that "homosexual behavior" is a broad category of behaviors that may arise from any of a number of causes. No one who seriously researches behavior thinks there is only one "cause."

34 posted on 06/26/2014 8:07:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Misterioso
“Why can’t Christians accept the obvious: homosexuality is part of God’s plan. If it isn’t, why does it exist?”

Homosexuality exists only because God gave us all free will. Sinful activities exist because people choose to sin.

It is not God's plan for people to be sinners. But he gave us the choice.

Some people choose to be evil and choose to reject God's love. He gave us all that choice. When we sin we are turning out back on God.

35 posted on 06/26/2014 8:09:04 PM PDT by detective
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To: hinckley buzzard
“theory of psychophysiological determinism, in which case you seek environmental conditions which determine behavior, and “choice” is a mere subjective experience, not a cause.”

There is no psychological determination. People's behavior can not be predicted solely by external factors.

Social scientists can find correlations but never certainty.

36 posted on 06/26/2014 8:14:17 PM PDT by detective
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To: NetAddicted

How many identical twins are both gay ? That would be a good place to start. If being gay were purely genetic we would see a lot of matches.


37 posted on 06/26/2014 8:15:16 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: frogjerk

I believe it’s 100% due to craving attention.


38 posted on 06/26/2014 8:18:48 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Bubba_Leroy

I see what you did there.


39 posted on 06/26/2014 8:26:49 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (I will not comply.)
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To: dila813

And even if it was in the genes, it still is a choice made by the individual to continue down that path. So the homos lose on at least two grounds.


40 posted on 06/26/2014 8:27:43 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: Misterioso

With that insane reasoning, so is all the pain, sorrow, death, and destruction in this world.


41 posted on 06/26/2014 8:29:43 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: NetAddicted

If there’s no bisexual gene, there’s no homosexual gene either.


42 posted on 06/26/2014 8:40:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: NetAddicted

It was a stupid idea to begin with born of people who are hostile to the very idea of freewill and self determination. They need an easy justification for their moral and physical weaknesses which all human beings have in some form or another. We are all born with drives whether driven by hunger, desire for sex, anger, etc. The truly dangerous thing about the lgbt movement is how anti American its core assertions are because their assertions of absolute biological determinism are not only a wholesale justification for sexual deviancy but also for all forms of human moral weakness and at the heart of it is a self defeatism and prideful sinful patheticness that is packaged up with rainbows and demand for approval.

I do feel for those who get caught up with this path but they wrong and the logical end to their very flawed ideas is absolute insanity.


43 posted on 06/26/2014 8:41:41 PM PDT by Maelstorm (America wasn't founded with the battle cry of "Give me Liberty or cut me a government check!".)
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To: ealgeone

Adultery exists? Murderous anger exists. Only someone who is clueless about God would make such a lame argument.


44 posted on 06/26/2014 8:43:16 PM PDT by Maelstorm (America wasn't founded with the battle cry of "Give me Liberty or cut me a government check!".)
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To: NetAddicted

As a Christian who believes we are fallen because of original sin then we humans have much to overcome. Doesn’t necessarily mean this condition will show up in our genes.


45 posted on 06/26/2014 9:19:54 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: NetAddicted

Ha ha ha - A Gay Gene!

What a farce.


46 posted on 06/26/2014 10:06:26 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: onedoug

“If there’s no bisexual gene, there’s no homosexual gene either.”

Hmm, no transgender gene?

No lesbian eskimo gene?

No polygamy gene?

No beastiality gene?

Really?! </s>


47 posted on 06/26/2014 10:15:15 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: SgtHooper
With that insane reasoning, so is all the pain, sorrow, death, and destruction in this world.

That's what I figured out at about the age of fourteen when I saw the handwriting on the wall. That's when I discovered the difference between sanity and faith.

48 posted on 06/26/2014 11:22:49 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Lysandru
Then I'd like to know how “nurturing” can result in a young male or female child feeling from an early age that he/she is sexually attracted to the same sex. I believe your sexuality is determined at birth. You can't fake what sexually turns you on. I've read that many homosexuals say they'd rather be heterosexual, for all the misery their lifestyle brings them, but you can't fake your sexuality.
Some folks may play around with bisexuality, but ultimately they're either homosexual or heterosexual. Young children can't “learn through nurturing” to be homosexual or heterosexual. It either feels good, or it doesn't. I think the jury is still out on this one.
49 posted on 06/26/2014 11:29:44 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Lysandru
Then I'd like to know how “nurturing” can result in a young male or female child feeling from an early age that he/she is sexually attracted to the same sex. I believe your sexuality is determined at birth. You can't fake what sexually turns you on. I've read that many homosexuals say they'd rather be heterosexual, for all the misery their lifestyle brings them, but you can't fake your sexuality.
Some folks may play around with bisexuality, but ultimately they're either homosexual or heterosexual. Young children can't “learn through nurturing” to be homosexual or heterosexual. It either feels good, or it doesn't. I think the jury is still out on this one.
50 posted on 06/26/2014 11:29:44 PM PDT by itssme
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