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Local Western Mass. Residents On Edge Over Natural Gas Pipeline Proposal
WBZ-TV, CBS ^ | June 24, 2014 | Joe Shortsleeve

Posted on 06/27/2014 5:19:08 AM PDT by thackney

Plans to build a natural gas pipeline through central and western Massachusetts are running into opposition from residents in the communities affected.

The pipeline begins in Troy, Pennsylvania and runs through Wright, New York before entering Massachusetts in Richmond. It would run through dozens of communities before ending in Dracut.

But few residents expect to see any benefits from the pipeline plan.

“It would go in front of our house. It would go through this hay field,” said Pat Worth, one of those residents. Worth is afraid her 25-acre farm in rural Royalston will be ruined if a natural gas pipeline is ever allowed to be built.

“It will destroy property values,” she said. “It will destroy any inheritance to our children. This is not a good thing.”

Called the Northeast Expansion Project, Kinder Morgan, a Houston-based energy company is proposing a multi-billion dollar pipeline. It would cross into western Massachusetts and travel through more than three dozen New England communities.

Here is the issue – energy experts in New England say demand for natural gas is skyrocketing. Half of the homes in Massachusetts now use it and an even larger number get their electricity from plants powered by natural gas.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: energy; kinder; naturalgas; pipeline
Tennessee Gas Pipeline Company, L.L.C. (TGP), a subsidiary of Kinder Morgan Energy Partners, L.P., proposes the Northeast Energy Direct Project to upgrade its existing pipeline system in New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Connecticut. This project is a combination of TGP’s proposed Pennsylvania to Wright, N.Y. and Wright to Dracut, Mass. projects.

The NED Project is being developed to meet the increased demand in the Northeast United States for transportation capacity of natural gas. Natural gas is a clean, environmentally friendly energy source that is produced domestically.

Proposed Project Facilities:

- 50 miles of looping of the existing TGP 300 Line in Pennsylvania

- 117 miles of greenfield pipeline from the TGP 300 Line to Wright, N.Y.

- 50 miles co-located with the existing TGP 200 Line in New York and Massachusetts

- 129 miles of greenfield pipeline in Massachusetts to Dracut, Mass.

- Lateral construction and modification of existing laterals to serve markets

- Modifications to existing and construction of new compressor stations and meter stations

http://www.kindermorgan.com/business/gas_pipelines/east/neenergydirect/


1 posted on 06/27/2014 5:19:08 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

This is like the idiots wailing about above ground transmission wires and the phony EMF claims of doom and then off to bed they go snuggled under their electric blankets.


2 posted on 06/27/2014 5:24:22 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: thackney

It’s going through Richmond. MA?

Where Governor Deval Patrick has a house?
Zero’s Mini-Me...he’ll probably do his darn-est to send it somewhere else.


3 posted on 06/27/2014 5:26:42 AM PDT by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: mazda77
Contemptible whining clowns.

No one along this corridor owns a gas stovetop?

No one along this corridor has gas heating?

If so, how can they live with that dangerous poison coursing through their communities and homes?

4 posted on 06/27/2014 5:28:42 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: thackney

So, it will destroy property values to have a clean cheap reliable energy source rather than having oil trucks rumbling through.


5 posted on 06/27/2014 5:33:04 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: thackney

Gee, who’dda thunk it? There’s NIMBYs in a Berkshire County hobby farm town?


6 posted on 06/27/2014 5:37:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: wideawake

I’m rural. We do not have access to NG. It is all propane or electricity. For those who don’t know, propane requires a 500 gallon tank in your yard. Or a 100 pound tank (about 3 feet high) attached to your house to provide gas for just a stove.

We have a NG pipeline running along our property line. Maybe one-two acres away from the house. It crosses a field that is close to a river and therefore off limits for any permanent use. It actually crosses the river. It is buried underneath it. DNR controls the river, its banks and all easements within 25-30 feet. We have lived here for 40 years. The pipeline was here before that. Never been any problem and it does not impact property values. Except for the yearly reminder and calendar from the pipeline company, we forget it is there.

The propane tank is 10 feet behind the house.


7 posted on 06/27/2014 5:37:47 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: thackney

MA could definitely use more NG capacity.

Compensate the guy with the hayfield and get on with it.


8 posted on 06/27/2014 5:38:50 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: thackney
“It would go in front of our house. It would go through this hay field,” said Pat Worth, one of those residents. Worth is afraid her 25-acre farm in rural Royalston will be ruined if a natural gas pipeline is ever allowed to be built.

“It will destroy property values,” she said. “It will destroy any inheritance to our children. This is not a good thing.”


I just shake my head. I started out on R.O.W. studies (Northern Boarder Pipeline) with post commissioning inspections. If it wasn't for the line markers and test stations, you would not even know the line exists after restoration. There is nothing to prevent this person from "farming" after installation and land owners are well compensated for the impact.

I firmly believe there should be different per therm rate value at city gates to take into account a local NIMBY fee. This would put an end to a lot of this insane behavior. Let the locals see and pay for the crazy ones amongst them.
9 posted on 06/27/2014 5:39:26 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Worth is a idiot who has no clue.

I have several pipe lines in my area. The local farmers plant right over the top of them.

Sounds like a city person who moved to the country.


10 posted on 06/27/2014 5:40:46 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: babble-on

I don’t know if folks along the way will be able to get natural gas service fed from the pipeline, though it would be nice if they could.


11 posted on 06/27/2014 5:41:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: mazda77

Perhaps they could transport the stuff through there communities by rail car. See how they liked that.


12 posted on 06/27/2014 5:41:58 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: PA Engineer

Why play spite games?

It’s unclear whether the pipeline will have taps for feeding local service.


13 posted on 06/27/2014 5:43:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Why play spite games?

It is not a spite game. Costs are spread out for everyone in cases like this. Why should everyone pay for a few?
14 posted on 06/27/2014 5:45:01 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
-- Compensate the guy with the hayfield and get on with it. --

Everybody is paid. I LOL at the "lose the inheritence" line. The pipeline will IMPROVE the inheritence!

15 posted on 06/27/2014 5:46:06 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: PA Engineer
R.O.W. studies (Northern Boarder Pipeline)

I was a lead engineer on the mid-1990's big expansion from the Canadian Border into Chicago.

http://www.gie.com/images/stories/article/Chicago%20Project-%20Northern%20Border.pdf

16 posted on 06/27/2014 5:46:35 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
“It will destroy property values,” she said. “It will destroy any inheritance to our children. This is not a good thing.”

Do without, then.

17 posted on 06/27/2014 5:47:38 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Residents won’t get service direct from the high pressure transmission pipeline. A local distribution company would connect through a meter station and pressure drop for local service.

Very similar concept to a high voltage transmission line that needs a local substation and medium voltage distribution power lines.


18 posted on 06/27/2014 5:48:53 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The red spur lines on the map are lines for local usage, including one in the Berkshires, but you’re also right that this lady in the article is not going to be able to put a tap on this pipeline.


19 posted on 06/27/2014 5:49:21 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Exactly. This is a perfect example of NIMBY. They don't want their property value "ruined" by the line but then these will be the same people bitching and whining when their energy prices shoot through the roof.

Someone needs to tell these whiners that, as of today, no one has invented a magical way to transport gas with a Star Trek-like transporter.

20 posted on 06/27/2014 5:51:42 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: thackney

Our entire nation is going to whinge itself to a mewling halt.


21 posted on 06/27/2014 5:52:13 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: thackney
“It will destroy property values,” she said. “It will destroy any inheritance to our children. This is not a good thing.”

I understand no one want's to have their property torn up, but I grew up where one of the defining features of the neighborhood was a set of NG pipelines that ran along the bayou I grew up by.... and there was never an issue.

Yet one has to wonder if these people wailing over it being built are the same ones who will be gnashing their teeth when the price skyrockets due to lack of supply.

22 posted on 06/27/2014 5:56:46 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: thackney

Whether it’s wind power generation in Nantucket Sound or the natural gas pipeline in the western part of the state, MA residents can be counted on for a NIMBY response.


23 posted on 06/27/2014 5:58:41 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: thackney
I remember you had mentioned that. It was a long time ago, however I do remember there were all types of politics going on in Iowa. Under no uncertain terms were we to set foot on the ROW there. I believe that was the summer of 81 and there was a bad drought. We were scrambling to find non-catalytic convertor 4WDs for the work.

Because of the delays, I never did see the the preliminary IOWA sections. I headed over the Saudi in January of 82. I did have post-commissioning visits to some of the sections I believe in 85 in between contracts overseas.

It was a fun project, but bumpy as all get up. Lots of driving with few hotel/restaurants along the way. The mini-cross reflectors where people were killed along the roads in Montana was a bit spooky.
24 posted on 06/27/2014 5:59:59 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: thackney
So this is less safe than the huge refrigerated gas tanker that comes in to Boston harbor from Trinidad every month?

Nice NIMBY-on-NIMBY fight shaping up between the cities of Boston/Everett/Chelsea (mostly LIV's) and the elites in Richmond!

Put the popcorn on.

25 posted on 06/27/2014 6:33:13 AM PDT by Riflema
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To: thackney
THEY FRIKKIN' PAY YOU TO USE YOUR LAND AND RECOVER IT SO WELL ... IT LOOKS LIKE BEFORE

I've seen literally hundreds of properties torn up for pipeline, and put back to pasture (or whatever) with no visible way of knowing what they did last year.

Hell .. I wish they'd use MY land ... they pay very well per foot.

26 posted on 06/27/2014 6:48:32 AM PDT by knarf (brooklyn bridge)
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To: thackney

It is about time someone built another ng pipeline up here. I just received my prebuy heating oil contract from my local company for this coming heating season. Their offering is $3.549/gallon. This translates into me spending between $3700-4000 if I just heat my 2700 square foot house with oil. To get this price, I must go on automatic delivery and purchase 500 or more gallons. I will use at least 1000 gallons. I am typical of a New England consumer.
Therefore, I will be installing a Harman Pellet insert this fall. With the price of pellets vs. oil it should pay off in about 4-5 years. The installation of the stove will be just under $5000. Pellets run about $220/ton. A typical house will use between 4-6 tons of pellets throughout the season.

These people out in western Mass need to get over themselves. Buried pipelines do not effect their property values like an electric transmission line. As you can see from your map there is a great need for transmission lines into New England. Most of the current supply goes to generate electricity. I am on a rural road. I do not foresee a natural gas line ever being installed in front of my house in southern NH. If you look at your map, I live about where the “g” in Hillsborough County is in NH. The current gas lines go north along the Merrimack river through the cities of Nashua, Manchester and Concord. Of the 50 people in my office, only 3 of us have ng at our house. Almost all of us heat with oil or propane. Many of us have wood or pellet stoves as a secondary heat source.


27 posted on 06/27/2014 6:58:00 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: mazda77

I would bet these same idiots live in houses with buried utilities. They have a nat gas line leading into their house. Electric lines that carry electricity are buried in the wet ground. Oh the horrors.


28 posted on 06/27/2014 6:58:49 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: knarf

Exactly, it is no different than having a sewer or water line pipe in front of your house.


29 posted on 06/27/2014 7:01:26 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: thackney

Dracut, Sommerville with trees.


30 posted on 06/27/2014 7:03:44 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: reformedliberal

"Butane is a bastard fuel."


31 posted on 06/27/2014 7:06:49 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Dracut is one of those towns that probably 95% of the MA population has never even heard of.

.


32 posted on 06/27/2014 7:12:34 AM PDT by Mears
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To: thackney

Electric transmission lines, railroads and pipelines, among other utilities, provide little if any direct benefit to the people whose land they cross.

But they are absolutely essential if products are to be moved around efficiently. Which is precisely why the Constitution allows for eminent domain. Even if it’s abused wildly today.


33 posted on 06/27/2014 7:13:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: ScottinVA
We have been getting the same response from the folks up in Coos county NH regarding the Northern Pass. This is a $1 billion dollar proposed high tension wire electric transmission line to be built from the Quebec/NH border south to Ma. They have proposed a new right of way for about 35 miles from the PQ border. Nobody up there wants to be able to even see it from their property. They are worried about it ruining their VIEW. PSNH may end up burying a portion of the transmission line. The other complaint that many of the northern NH residents is that the increase in electric power is not needed in their area or even currently in NH. Potentially, in 10 years we may need the extra power here in southern NH. The majority of the power will go to Mass, RI and CT. They have tried to call the power bad because it comes from hydro dams in PQ where land was flooded to create reservoirs. In fact, most of the power comes from the dams on the St. Lawrence river.
34 posted on 06/27/2014 7:22:18 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Mears

Dracut, land of the women with BIG HAIR.

Their best portrayal was of Micky Ward’s sisters in “The Fighter”. They got the accent, hair style and mannerisms down in that movie. I swear I knew some of those women from going to clubs in Lowell in the 80’s.


35 posted on 06/27/2014 7:26:50 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Mears

If you don’t work at the jail, you can look for work on the pipeline.


36 posted on 06/27/2014 7:30:07 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Sherman Logan

I wonder if Tesla got this much grief when he was involved with those hydro electric projects at Niagara Falls.
There was probably a big WHALE OIL lobby that was totally against it.


37 posted on 06/27/2014 7:30:08 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: knarf
I'm looking at that map. It isn't going through pasture land. It's going through pretty rugged forested land, with some high elevation areas and a lot of streams and rivers. Believe it or not, MA residents in rural areas tend to be conservative and would prefer more functions and decisions be local.

I could see environmental issues here, and not from people being hypocritical. Rural MA is a well-regulated environment.

(I lived in one of those towns for a few years while transitioning to OH)

38 posted on 06/27/2014 7:40:40 AM PDT by grania
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To: woodbutcher1963

Not really. The market for whale oil had been destroyed decades before by the eevvill men who found a much cheaper and better source of light in kerosene for rural areas, and gas lighting in towns.

The guys selling kerosene might have had some theoretical incentive to oppose electrical lighting, but the market for petroleum products was exploding in all directions. So the people with real incentive to oppose electricity would have been those with capital invested in the gas lighting systems.


39 posted on 06/27/2014 8:04:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: mazda77

> But few residents expect to see any benefits from the pipeline plan.

i.e. they want to shake down the business and impose a toll.


40 posted on 06/27/2014 8:16:45 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: thackney
Route the pipelines through a different region, cut off ALL of the existing pipelines into Massachusetts, and let all of them freeze in the dark. Actions have consequences. Choose wisely.
41 posted on 06/27/2014 8:18:18 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: grania; thackney

How about it, thack ... (grania’s #38) .. I’ve never known pipeline to cross water (not that it doesn’t ... I’ve just never seen it), but I DO know they’re the most clever little diggers to go under roads and highways with zero disruption.


42 posted on 06/27/2014 9:52:33 AM PDT by knarf (brooklyn bridge)
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To: knarf
Pipelines are sometimes put on bridges, but I believe most transmission lines go underneath. It just is a matter of economics usually, given the situation of the location.

To claim that part of Mass is too pristine, rugged or other nonsense is just silly. Those claiming so have little understanding where pipelines already are located.

43 posted on 06/27/2014 10:02:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: libertarian27
The children of the generation that sponsored protest against the Seabrook Power Plant have arrived to stir up the locals in Massachusetts. The Soros backed Gasland Documentary is circulating among activists. Wood is plentiful in Western Massachusetts. Wait until they learn that the EPA is banning wood stoves. They think a few solar panels and windmills will take care of them. Good luck to that.
44 posted on 06/27/2014 8:51:42 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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