Skip to comments.Local Western Mass. Residents On Edge Over Natural Gas Pipeline Proposal
Posted on 06/27/2014 5:19:08 AM PDT by thackney
Plans to build a natural gas pipeline through central and western Massachusetts are running into opposition from residents in the communities affected.
The pipeline begins in Troy, Pennsylvania and runs through Wright, New York before entering Massachusetts in Richmond. It would run through dozens of communities before ending in Dracut.
But few residents expect to see any benefits from the pipeline plan.
It would go in front of our house. It would go through this hay field, said Pat Worth, one of those residents. Worth is afraid her 25-acre farm in rural Royalston will be ruined if a natural gas pipeline is ever allowed to be built.
It will destroy property values, she said. It will destroy any inheritance to our children. This is not a good thing.
Called the Northeast Expansion Project, Kinder Morgan, a Houston-based energy company is proposing a multi-billion dollar pipeline. It would cross into western Massachusetts and travel through more than three dozen New England communities.
Here is the issue energy experts in New England say demand for natural gas is skyrocketing. Half of the homes in Massachusetts now use it and an even larger number get their electricity from plants powered by natural gas.
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.cbslocal.com ...
The NED Project is being developed to meet the increased demand in the Northeast United States for transportation capacity of natural gas. Natural gas is a clean, environmentally friendly energy source that is produced domestically.
Proposed Project Facilities:
- 50 miles of looping of the existing TGP 300 Line in Pennsylvania
- 117 miles of greenfield pipeline from the TGP 300 Line to Wright, N.Y.
- 50 miles co-located with the existing TGP 200 Line in New York and Massachusetts
- 129 miles of greenfield pipeline in Massachusetts to Dracut, Mass.
- Lateral construction and modification of existing laterals to serve markets
- Modifications to existing and construction of new compressor stations and meter stations
This is like the idiots wailing about above ground transmission wires and the phony EMF claims of doom and then off to bed they go snuggled under their electric blankets.
It’s going through Richmond. MA?
Where Governor Deval Patrick has a house?
Zero’s Mini-Me...he’ll probably do his darn-est to send it somewhere else.
No one along this corridor owns a gas stovetop?
No one along this corridor has gas heating?
If so, how can they live with that dangerous poison coursing through their communities and homes?
So, it will destroy property values to have a clean cheap reliable energy source rather than having oil trucks rumbling through.
Gee, who’dda thunk it? There’s NIMBYs in a Berkshire County hobby farm town?
I’m rural. We do not have access to NG. It is all propane or electricity. For those who don’t know, propane requires a 500 gallon tank in your yard. Or a 100 pound tank (about 3 feet high) attached to your house to provide gas for just a stove.
We have a NG pipeline running along our property line. Maybe one-two acres away from the house. It crosses a field that is close to a river and therefore off limits for any permanent use. It actually crosses the river. It is buried underneath it. DNR controls the river, its banks and all easements within 25-30 feet. We have lived here for 40 years. The pipeline was here before that. Never been any problem and it does not impact property values. Except for the yearly reminder and calendar from the pipeline company, we forget it is there.
The propane tank is 10 feet behind the house.
MA could definitely use more NG capacity.
Compensate the guy with the hayfield and get on with it.
Worth is a idiot who has no clue.
I have several pipe lines in my area. The local farmers plant right over the top of them.
Sounds like a city person who moved to the country.
I don’t know if folks along the way will be able to get natural gas service fed from the pipeline, though it would be nice if they could.
Perhaps they could transport the stuff through there communities by rail car. See how they liked that.
Why play spite games?
It’s unclear whether the pipeline will have taps for feeding local service.
Everybody is paid. I LOL at the "lose the inheritence" line. The pipeline will IMPROVE the inheritence!
I was a lead engineer on the mid-1990's big expansion from the Canadian Border into Chicago.
Do without, then.
Residents won’t get service direct from the high pressure transmission pipeline. A local distribution company would connect through a meter station and pressure drop for local service.
Very similar concept to a high voltage transmission line that needs a local substation and medium voltage distribution power lines.
The red spur lines on the map are lines for local usage, including one in the Berkshires, but you’re also right that this lady in the article is not going to be able to put a tap on this pipeline.
Someone needs to tell these whiners that, as of today, no one has invented a magical way to transport gas with a Star Trek-like transporter.
Our entire nation is going to whinge itself to a mewling halt.
I understand no one want's to have their property torn up, but I grew up where one of the defining features of the neighborhood was a set of NG pipelines that ran along the bayou I grew up by.... and there was never an issue.
Yet one has to wonder if these people wailing over it being built are the same ones who will be gnashing their teeth when the price skyrockets due to lack of supply.
Whether it’s wind power generation in Nantucket Sound or the natural gas pipeline in the western part of the state, MA residents can be counted on for a NIMBY response.
Nice NIMBY-on-NIMBY fight shaping up between the cities of Boston/Everett/Chelsea (mostly LIV's) and the elites in Richmond!
Put the popcorn on.
I've seen literally hundreds of properties torn up for pipeline, and put back to pasture (or whatever) with no visible way of knowing what they did last year.
Hell .. I wish they'd use MY land ... they pay very well per foot.
It is about time someone built another ng pipeline up here. I just received my prebuy heating oil contract from my local company for this coming heating season. Their offering is $3.549/gallon. This translates into me spending between $3700-4000 if I just heat my 2700 square foot house with oil. To get this price, I must go on automatic delivery and purchase 500 or more gallons. I will use at least 1000 gallons. I am typical of a New England consumer.
Therefore, I will be installing a Harman Pellet insert this fall. With the price of pellets vs. oil it should pay off in about 4-5 years. The installation of the stove will be just under $5000. Pellets run about $220/ton. A typical house will use between 4-6 tons of pellets throughout the season.
These people out in western Mass need to get over themselves. Buried pipelines do not effect their property values like an electric transmission line. As you can see from your map there is a great need for transmission lines into New England. Most of the current supply goes to generate electricity. I am on a rural road. I do not foresee a natural gas line ever being installed in front of my house in southern NH. If you look at your map, I live about where the “g” in Hillsborough County is in NH. The current gas lines go north along the Merrimack river through the cities of Nashua, Manchester and Concord. Of the 50 people in my office, only 3 of us have ng at our house. Almost all of us heat with oil or propane. Many of us have wood or pellet stoves as a secondary heat source.
I would bet these same idiots live in houses with buried utilities. They have a nat gas line leading into their house. Electric lines that carry electricity are buried in the wet ground. Oh the horrors.
Exactly, it is no different than having a sewer or water line pipe in front of your house.
Dracut, Sommerville with trees.
"Butane is a bastard fuel."
Dracut is one of those towns that probably 95% of the MA population has never even heard of.
Electric transmission lines, railroads and pipelines, among other utilities, provide little if any direct benefit to the people whose land they cross.
But they are absolutely essential if products are to be moved around efficiently. Which is precisely why the Constitution allows for eminent domain. Even if it’s abused wildly today.
Dracut, land of the women with BIG HAIR.
Their best portrayal was of Micky Ward’s sisters in “The Fighter”. They got the accent, hair style and mannerisms down in that movie. I swear I knew some of those women from going to clubs in Lowell in the 80’s.
If you don’t work at the jail, you can look for work on the pipeline.
I wonder if Tesla got this much grief when he was involved with those hydro electric projects at Niagara Falls.
There was probably a big WHALE OIL lobby that was totally against it.
I could see environmental issues here, and not from people being hypocritical. Rural MA is a well-regulated environment.
(I lived in one of those towns for a few years while transitioning to OH)
Not really. The market for whale oil had been destroyed decades before by the eevvill men who found a much cheaper and better source of light in kerosene for rural areas, and gas lighting in towns.
The guys selling kerosene might have had some theoretical incentive to oppose electrical lighting, but the market for petroleum products was exploding in all directions. So the people with real incentive to oppose electricity would have been those with capital invested in the gas lighting systems.
> But few residents expect to see any benefits from the pipeline plan.
i.e. they want to shake down the business and impose a toll.
How about it, thack ... (grania’s #38) .. I’ve never known pipeline to cross water (not that it doesn’t ... I’ve just never seen it), but I DO know they’re the most clever little diggers to go under roads and highways with zero disruption.
To claim that part of Mass is too pristine, rugged or other nonsense is just silly. Those claiming so have little understanding where pipelines already are located.