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"America Deluded Us" Slams Angry Iraq PM, Will Buy Russian Jets Instead In War Against ISIS
Zero Hedge ^ | 6/27/14 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 06/27/2014 5:50:11 AM PDT by Enlightened1

As BBC reports, citing Maliki, "Jets from Russia and Belarus will hopefully make a key difference in the fight against ISIS in Iraq." He expressed regrets over Iraq's contract with the US, saying their "jets are taking too long to arrive."

"God willing within one week this force will be effective and will destroy the terrorists' dens," he told BBC Arabic.

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; iran; iraq; isis; jets; russia; su25

1 posted on 06/27/2014 5:50:11 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

Within one week? Who is going to fly them? Russian pilots?

I have a feeling the vast majority of Sadaam’s air force officers were Sunnis.


2 posted on 06/27/2014 5:52:36 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: rbg81

Good point! Probably Russian Pilots at first. Kind of like Syria.


3 posted on 06/27/2014 5:54:37 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1
STAB
4 posted on 06/27/2014 5:54:40 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Enlightened1

Maliki’s scumbag persona is so transparent at this point, I have to wonder why Bush picked him to be head honcho. Yet another of GWB’s head-shakingly bad personnel decisions.


5 posted on 06/27/2014 5:55:02 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Enlightened1

Isn’t Iraq’s air force infrastructure geared to US planes?


6 posted on 06/27/2014 5:55:16 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Enlightened1

Obama is consistently on the wrong side of terrorism and is asking for $500 million to fund the Al Queda backed Syrian rebels. Congress should not only refuse the request, they should pass a law prohibiting him from spending any money to support the Syrian rebels.


7 posted on 06/27/2014 5:56:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Enlightened1
Good point! Probably Russian Pilots at first. Kind of like Syria.

Syria's pilots are Alawite. Hafez Assad was an air force pilot.

8 posted on 06/27/2014 5:58:26 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: AU72
That's probably correct.

If we see Russian Aircraft flying in a couple weeks, then we will KNOW the Russian Air-Force will be over the skies of Iraq. Just like Syria....

9 posted on 06/27/2014 6:00:13 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: baddog 219

It seems like we are making a lot of countries mad us compared to the past.


10 posted on 06/27/2014 6:02:05 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

I would be skeptical about any of this.
Iraq has enough helicopter force to provide air cover and ground support. - If it can find pilots to fly the things in harms way.
Air superiority fighters aren’t going to do squat, even if they can be tasked to destroy infrastructure - which would be kind of stupid...


11 posted on 06/27/2014 6:02:08 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: Enlightened1

Wasn’t “America”, Mr. Maliki.

It was purely Obama. And he sure as hell isn’t America.


12 posted on 06/27/2014 6:02:17 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Enlightened1

Go Russia! Go Iraq! Go Syria! Send Obama and John McCain’s Christian killer jihadi army to Hell!


13 posted on 06/27/2014 6:03:43 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Enlightened1

John Kerry strikes again. Where’ his reset button?


14 posted on 06/27/2014 6:04:44 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: Enlightened1

send in the Egyptians- they`ll make mincemeat of ISIS.


15 posted on 06/27/2014 6:05:03 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (blubber)
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To: rbg81

Su-25s with Russian “volunteers” a la Chennault’s AVG.


16 posted on 06/27/2014 6:07:03 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: Enlightened1
America DID NOT. . . .
King Zero DID. . .
17 posted on 06/27/2014 6:07:41 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Why would ANYBODY want to be President after the mess ZERO is leaving?)
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To: Enlightened1
If I were a 3rd world potentate needing to fight groups like ISIS, I wouldn't be buying jets. I'd be buying light-attach aircraft like these:


18 posted on 06/27/2014 6:13:33 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: rbg81

Iraq’s military has a long history of wielding Russian weapons, MiGs, AK rifles, and the Iraqi tanks are all Russian Soviet inventions. In fact, if Saddam hadn’t been a secular opposition to Iran, we would have stayed hostile to him due to his Soviet alliance.


19 posted on 06/27/2014 6:16:30 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Zhang Fei

Bush didn’t pick him, he was voted on by the people from among a number that were running. Remember the purple index fingers?


20 posted on 06/27/2014 6:19:41 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Enlightened1

The world loves us!


21 posted on 06/27/2014 6:23:04 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Enlightened1

Excellent
The planes are going to end up in the rebel’s hands and who knows where after that.
Better some Migs than F-16s.


22 posted on 06/27/2014 6:24:10 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Morpheus2009

Maybe, but you need trained pilots to fly those planes. Even if you found the old MiG pilots, they would still need flight training and time to get up to speed. Not that it can’t be done, but a week (or even a month) is not realistic.


23 posted on 06/27/2014 6:27:09 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: mdmathis6
Bush didn’t pick him, he was voted on by the people from among a number that were running. Remember the purple index fingers?

Bush picked him out of a bunch of Shiite contenders. He could vetoed Maliki, due to US aid being crucial to any Iraqi government's survival, and the Dawa party would have have booted him. Allawi would have been a better choice.

24 posted on 06/27/2014 6:28:49 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
While working in my yard, I was stuck by a thorn. Was that Bush's fault also?

Obama strikes up the theme, "It is Bush's fault." And his surrogates will parrot it throughout eternity.

25 posted on 06/27/2014 6:32:40 AM PDT by sport
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To: rbg81

See my #18

Much faster to get up to speed on, more forgiving, less maintenance/support, and less required infrastructure.


26 posted on 06/27/2014 6:34:39 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Enlightened1

We delude ourselves, why should you be different???


27 posted on 06/27/2014 6:36:17 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Enlightened1

what money will they use?


28 posted on 06/27/2014 6:36:50 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Enlightened1
It seems like we are making a lot of countries mad us compared to the past.

EVERYTHING obama does either:

a) Weakens America/Americans
b) Distances America's allies
c) Strengthens America's enemies
d) Serves Islam
e) Harms Israel
Or some combination of the above.
I have yet to have anyone raise a single substantive counter example in several years of posting this.
29 posted on 06/27/2014 6:37:19 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: mdmathis6
Remember the purple index fingers?

Yes. If we did that here, we'd have a whole set of new office holders.

30 posted on 06/27/2014 6:39:41 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Enlightened1
"Ironically, this also means that, at least optically, the US is now alligned with Russia as well as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia in the "all against one" fight against ISIS which continued to consolidate its territory in Iraq and Syria.

What it really means is that Obama has asked, and is about to get $500 milllion more to arm ISIS and its al-Qaeda peers in Syria, which in turn the Iraq air force will now use Russian jets to bomb.

This is a confused and bizarre foreign policy. It is the kind of policy that only smarmy twits like Marie Harf understand, because no one else can!

31 posted on 06/27/2014 6:44:42 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: sport

I fell down and scraped my knee
Rode my bike into a tree
Stick in my eye now I can’t seeeeeeee!

But don’t blame me it’s Bush’s fault


32 posted on 06/27/2014 7:19:23 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Enlightened1

The Suadi’s/Qatari’s interest is putting an overland gas pipeline through ISIS territory and Turkey to Europe. With healthy royalties for Turkey.

The Russians (via their Shia proxies in Iran/Syria and now Iraq) interest is stopping this pipeline at all cost as it undermines their near monopoly on proving gas to Europe and the influence associated with such.

Saudi, Qatar, USA, Syrian Rebels, ISIS and Turkey...VS...Syria, Iran, Lebanon (Hezzbulah), and Russia.

Trying to remain, or at least appear neutral: Kurds, Jordan and Kuwait.


33 posted on 06/27/2014 7:28:50 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Fitzy_888

The Kurds aren’t that neutral. They also need to move their oil through Turkey. They are currently opposed by Baghdad -which continues to claim Kurdish territory and resources as its own, and ISIS with whom they’re still working out the Kurdistan-Sunnistan border.


34 posted on 06/27/2014 7:36:53 AM PDT by Justa
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To: SampleMan

And once the war is won, they make good crop dusters!


35 posted on 06/27/2014 8:03:05 AM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are much like bananas. They start off green, turn yellow then rot.)
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To: Enlightened1

It was not America, you put your trust and believed what mac daddy, the worlds greatest liar, told you so your problem is with him not America.


36 posted on 06/27/2014 8:15:08 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: SampleMan

I had no idea you can uparmor a Piper Pawnee cropduster.

Cool!


37 posted on 06/27/2014 11:38:43 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend
Not a Piper, an Air Tractor AT-802U.
38 posted on 06/27/2014 11:49:51 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

A sitting duck against any force which has at least automatic firearms, let alone 50 cal or AA-guns.


39 posted on 06/27/2014 11:53:45 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: Yo-Yo
Okay, I stand corrected.

But c'mon...what platform was it derived from?


40 posted on 06/27/2014 12:07:50 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Congress should not only refuse the request, .............."

Congress is out in front of Obama on this.

Spring 2013 the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 15-3 to arm the rebels. Subsequently the Intelligence Committee approved the plan Obama worked up.

The CIA picks single rebel groups takes them to Turkey where the vetting takes place, then trains them in Qatar, then gives them the weapons. But only anti-tank weapons, no anti-aircraft weapons.

So the Syrian rebels and some members of congress are complaining that they need anti-aircraft weapons and the pace of the vetting and training need to pick up. The man complaining the loudest is McCain.

Obama wants congress to stick their neck out.

If you have the time to spare, PBS Frontline website has 20 min video entitled "Arming the Syrian Rebels" that aired 3 weeks ago.

41 posted on 06/27/2014 12:19:16 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: hattend

If we are talking of military aircraft it’s layout is similar to 1939 Il-2 Shturmovik aka cement bomber or black death by the Germans.
Totally outdated by the Korean War.
Right now this layout is typical to many agricultural planes and this one must be a variant.
It doesn’t belong to a modern battlefield.


42 posted on 06/27/2014 7:01:48 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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