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Dems struggle to show anti-Koch amendment is 'reasonable'
Washington Examiner ^ | June 26, 2014 | Byron York

Posted on 06/27/2014 5:56:18 AM PDT by don-o

While much of Washington grapples with international crises, chronic economic troubles, and upcoming midterm elections, Senate Democrats are steadily pushing forward with what they hope will become the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

The proposed amendment would give Congress authority to regulate every dollar raised, and every dollar spent, by every federal campaign and candidate in the country. It would give state legislatures the power to do the same with state races.

Framed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid as a response to campaign spending by the conservative billionaire Koch brothers, the proposed amendment, written by Democratic Senators Tom Udall and Michael Bennet and co-sponsored by 42 other Senate Democrats, would vastly increase the power of Congress to control elections and political speech. Sign Up for the Byron York newsletter!

The problem is, Democrats aren't quite sure exactly what the amendment should say. In a move that received virtually no attention, they recently re-wrote the measure — and in the process revealed its fatal flaw.

This is the heart of the amendment as originally written by Udall and Bennet:

To advance the fundamental principle of political equality for all, and to protect the integrity of the legislative and electoral processes, Congress shall have power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to federal elections, including through setting limits on --

(1) the amount of contributions to candidates for nomination for election to, or for election to, federal office; and

(2) the amount of funds that may be spent by, in support of, or in opposition to such candidates.

There are literally no limits to congressional power in those words.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: reid; wheresmydroolcup
I did not know this was even going on.
1 posted on 06/27/2014 5:56:18 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

The law will only apply to the Republican Party.


2 posted on 06/27/2014 5:58:59 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: don-o
The proposed amendment would give Congress authority to regulate every dollar raised, and every dollar spent, by every federal campaign and candidate in the country.

Regulate = keep conservative money out.
3 posted on 06/27/2014 5:59:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: don-o

TRANSLATION: Incumbents get to regulate challengers out of existence.


4 posted on 06/27/2014 5:59:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: don-o

This is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Say NO to ever-more government meddling.

Keep democrats from ramming through this nonsense.


5 posted on 06/27/2014 6:02:28 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

‘zackly.


6 posted on 06/27/2014 6:03:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Full article shows that Ted Cruz basically burned then thing down in committee hearing, even though it passed.


7 posted on 06/27/2014 6:04:58 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Harry Reid is just p*ssed because the Koch Brothers only gave him $500 lousy bucks!

http://freebeacon.com/blog/harry-reid-took-money-from-koch-lobbyist/


8 posted on 06/27/2014 6:05:10 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: don-o
You didn't know this was going on because you're not on leftwing mailer lists for candidates seeking donations. That's all this is about.

They expended the effort to Emmanuel Goldstein the Koch Brothers to the point that liberals really think they are magical demonic gods controlling the universe.

Now, they're telling these gullible dipsh1ts that the Democratic Party is fighting to slay the demons through their own super powerful magic - a constitutional amendment that trumps all counter efforts !! So send them lots of money so they can keep up the good fight and free us from our Kochmonster overlords.

Our founding fathers made the constitutional amendment process far too rigorous for nonsense like this to ever get past the posturing phase.

9 posted on 06/27/2014 6:07:07 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
They expended the effort to Emmanuel Goldstein the Koch Brothers to the point that liberals really think they are magical demonic gods controlling the universe.

Many on FR have a similar opinion of George Soros.

10 posted on 06/27/2014 6:10:59 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We need term limits for senators. It would help prevent crooked, back-stabbing, scumbucket for life politicians like Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, or Lindsey Graham.


11 posted on 06/27/2014 6:11:53 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: don-o

Is there also an anti-Sorros amendment?


12 posted on 06/27/2014 6:12:33 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: don-o

This is a thorny problem. How do you block money from Koch and Limbaugh and Sarah Palin superpacs while letting Soros, Zuckerman, Bill Gates money flood in?

Putting incumbents in charge of challenger’s funding will be the end of government by the people.


13 posted on 06/27/2014 6:13:24 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: don-o
I think the smoke of Reid's Koch Dementia is starting to wear thin.

He does this only to fill the headlines with his stupidity so there won't be any room left for what's really going on.

14 posted on 06/27/2014 6:13:31 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Straight Vermonter

They expended the effort to Emmanuel Goldstein the Koch Brothers to the point that liberals really think they are magical demonic gods controlling the universe.
Many on FR have a similar opinion of George Soros.

The difference is I don’t see the Koch Brothers trying to manipulate nations into going to war for profit or funding the AntiChrist to destroy a nation. That’s just for starters. Soros is on a whole different level and is inherently and truly evil.


15 posted on 06/27/2014 6:16:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: don-o

The article ends with Sen. Cruz challenging Sen. Durbin on whether the amendment would give Congress the power to ban movies. What it doesn’t say is that Sen. Cruz pointed out in the hearing that this is EXACTLY what the Citizens United case was about. It arose because the government banned the Hillary movie in 2008, deeming it a campaign contribtion.


16 posted on 06/27/2014 6:17:53 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: jsanders2001

My point was more about the “magical demonic god”. Some on here see Soros behind EVERYTHING that happens.


17 posted on 06/27/2014 6:20:32 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: jsanders2001
George Soros:

Koch Brothers:

18 posted on 06/27/2014 6:22:07 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: don-o

I’d like to see a 28th Amendment where all outside political funding is outlawed. All lobbying is outlawed.

A fund is created for Presidential, House & Senate campaigns.

Each side gets identical identical funds. Each side gets identical time on all news outlets. When one ad runs, the opposing ad must run. The best man or woman wins.

Any negative ads against the opponent and you’re disqualified.

You have 6 months ONLY prior to the election to start campaigning. Start any sooner and you’re disqualified.

Limit all terms to 2 terms max.

No retirement unless you go on to complete 20 or years of combined civil service.


19 posted on 06/27/2014 6:28:16 AM PDT by maddog55 (A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.)
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To: don-o

I’ll ad that Lawyers are not allowed to run PERIOD.


20 posted on 06/27/2014 6:29:30 AM PDT by maddog55 (A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.)
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To: don-o

How about the following re campaign funding:
Federal
Senate: All funds must come from from within the state in which the candidate is running. Individual contributors must be state residents and business contributors must be incorporated in the state.
House of Representatives: All funds must come from within the district that the candidate will represent. Individual contributors must be residents of the district and business contributors must be incorporated in the district.
State elections based upon the same principles of funding being limited to area which the candidate will actually represent.


21 posted on 06/27/2014 6:31:14 AM PDT by Nuocmam
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To: don-o

It is not going anywhere
Majority of House needs to ratify it
Majority of Senate needs to ratify it
Same Amendment no changes identical
Then it goes to the State Legislators and 38 States must ratify it.
Anyone seeing our dysfunctional Country getting this accomplished?


22 posted on 06/27/2014 6:35:02 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Many on FR have a similar opinion of George Soros.

I agree that he is positioned as the ying to the Koch Brothers yang, but I think the whole Koch brothers brouhaha was intentionally created as a counter balance to the exposure of Soros' political machinations. He was trying to mask his political contributions from public scrutiny through foundations, but when he was exposed they needed a rightwing boogie monster to point at.

And generally, there's more evidence of evil doing by Soros, like intentionally manipulating currency markets to enrich himself at the expense of entire nations or his conviction for insider trading.

But he has no more megalomaniacal magic than the Koch brothers, he's just a world-class a-hole.

23 posted on 06/27/2014 6:45:18 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Not just a majority in the Senate, a 2/3rds majority. This is just red meat for the Dem base.


24 posted on 06/27/2014 6:47:50 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Piranha

Good point.


25 posted on 06/27/2014 6:48:36 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: don-o
Here's campaign finance reform - an individual registered voter can give as much money as he/she wants, provided they disclose all donations publically.

No other entity can give money. Not unions, not pacs, not corporations, not trusts, not foundations, etc.

26 posted on 06/27/2014 6:50:15 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: don-o

From today’s Patriot Post:

“[A] mere demarcation on parchment of the constitutional limits of the several departments, is not a sufficient guard against those encroachments which lead to a tyrannical concentration of all the powers of government in the same hands.” —James Madison, Federalist No. 48, 1788


27 posted on 06/27/2014 7:04:23 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: jsanders2001
"The law will only apply to the Republican Party."

That's the impression I get. The law might as well read: "The raising of funds in excess of $5 and/or any communication - written, verbal, or electronic - between organizations or individuals, undertaken for the purpose of electing Republican candidates or in support of conservative causes, is a felony punishable by no less than three years in prison and a $100,000 fine."
28 posted on 06/27/2014 7:42:42 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: maddog55
"You have 6 months ONLY prior to the election to start campaigning. Start any sooner and you’re disqualified."

That's the one point I would definitely agree with; in fact, I would shorten it to three or four months. I would also lengthen the term for the US House to four years, and impose term limits of three and two, respectively, for the House and Senate - 12 years max for both.
29 posted on 06/27/2014 7:48:08 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: don-o
"in-kind equivalents"

From which the news media would be exempt, for clear constitutional reasons. And the media exemption would give Dems a huge advantage because it would be that much more difficult to counteract pro-Dem media bias.
30 posted on 06/27/2014 7:50:44 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: cripplecreek

In other words the IRS will redistribute like with Obamacare.


31 posted on 06/27/2014 9:00:14 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: don-o

This will not apply to unions. I did PAC reports for a labor union in CA. According to the law, the donations are not made by the union itself, but the thousands of members in the union. If a member didn’t want to donate to political activities, they could be “fair share” payers, but they were harassed by others.


32 posted on 06/27/2014 3:16:38 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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