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LDS missionaries install illegal flagpole on top of Mount Olympus
KSL.com [owned by Lds Church] ^ | June 26, 2014 | Maddy Richards

Posted on 06/27/2014 6:59:10 AM PDT by Colofornian

SALT LAKE CITY — Eight LDS missionaries serving in the Salt Lake City East Mission and their leaders are working with the Forest Service to remove a flagpole that the missionaries cemented to the top of Mount Olympus earlier this week.

Hikers discovered the flagpole with a U.S. Flag and an autographed mission T-shirt on Forest Service lands and alerted rangers. The Forest Service confirmed that posting the flagpole was indeed breaking the law.

“You would need to get a permit to put up a flagpole. In wilderness it wouldn’t be allowed at all,” said Kathy Jo Pollock of Uinta-Wasatch-Cache National Forest.

Jessica Moody, a spokeswoman for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said the missionaries were responsible for the placement of the flagpole, and that Salt Lake City East Mission is “looking into this and will address it appropriately.”

Mount Olympus’s wilderness designation means no mechanized equipment or permanent improvements are allowed to be put there, not even patriotic displays or memorials.


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KEYWORDS: flag; inman; lds; missionaries; mountolympus; oldglory; slc
From the article: SALT LAKE CITY — Eight LDS missionaries serving in the Salt Lake City East Mission and their leaders are working with the Forest Service to remove a flagpole that the missionaries cemented to the top of Mount Olympus earlier this week.

Whaddya think on this one, Freepers?

Patriotic stance vs. overbearing Forest Service? Or private individuals can't go around placing cement on mountaintops?

FR thrives on discussion (and your donations) so weigh in on both as we approach Freedom week!

1 posted on 06/27/2014 6:59:10 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Time for Utah to kick the Federal Corrupt Government the hell out of their State. F—K this communists empire.


2 posted on 06/27/2014 7:02:10 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Colofornian

You follow the rules. Conservatives have great respect for the law for good reason. You just don’t get to say, “oh gee. I’m patriotic. I’ll plant a flag here!”

No. They shouldn’t have done it. And while I would place this, as a Prosecutor, in the “continue and dismiss” category, some chains need to be yanked.


3 posted on 06/27/2014 7:04:34 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Colofornian

Private individuals should not go around erecting structures on land owned by the public whenever they choose.

Diverting public land for private use is just as wrong as the government taking private land for public use.


4 posted on 06/27/2014 7:06:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Colofornian
Eight LDS missionaries serving in the Salt Lake City East Mission and their leaders are working with the Forest Service to remove a flagpole that the missionaries cemented to the top of Mount Olympus earlier this week.

Could have been worse.


5 posted on 06/27/2014 7:07:45 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Colofornian

>>Whaddya think on this one, Freepers?

I think that it’s the duty of Christians to erect crosses and patriots to put up flags.

And it’s the duty of the Godless communists to take them down and persecute us for it.

We have done our duty to God and country when we put up the cross or the flag and we should be joyous that we did it. After our act is completed, the symbol is meaningless anyway. Don’t worry about what they do afterwards. Their reward is on earth and ours is in heaven.


6 posted on 06/27/2014 7:08:18 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Sherman Logan

VERY well said.


7 posted on 06/27/2014 7:12:21 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Bryanw92

So I get to run around and put up a flag or a cross just wherever I want?

No.


8 posted on 06/27/2014 7:13:09 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Bryanw92

Put up whatever crosses or flagpoles you choose.

Just put them up on your own land.


9 posted on 06/27/2014 7:14:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Colofornian

I’m just thankful the Forest Service is protecting me — and the wilderness — from the rampaging hordes of flagpole-planters marauding through our pristine parks.


10 posted on 06/27/2014 7:17:14 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Colofornian
Is this the same bunch that keeps tearing down crosses placed at the site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre?

If so, then why is a flagpole on top of a mountain acceptable and a cross on top of a mass grave not?

Just wondering.

11 posted on 06/27/2014 7:17:23 AM PDT by Zakeet (If voting made any difference, they wouldnÂ’t let us do it - Mark Twain)
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To: Colofornian

KSL.com [owned by Lds Church]

Your point is?

...and on the subject in question, I’m sure you already know the flag and flagpole have been removed by subjects unknown. Unfortunately the concrete remains but more than likely the original suspects will have to take care of that as part of their punishment for patriotism.


12 posted on 06/27/2014 7:20:01 AM PDT by wita
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To: Colofornian
In wilderness it wouldn’t be allowed at all...

All along, the only item not allowed in designated wilderness areas, was motorized anything! (Motor cycles, four wheelers, autos, chain saws, etc.)

13 posted on 06/27/2014 7:20:40 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: All

I get that it’s public land, and they shouldn’t just build whatever they want on it... but it’s an American flag on a mountaintop, what’s the big deal? It’s not as if they put a Cuban flag up there or something.

The rangers didn’t have anything more important to do than go around cutting down American flags?


14 posted on 06/27/2014 7:23:18 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Colofornian

Thought one of the pillars of Mormonism was obedience to the government.


15 posted on 06/27/2014 7:25:51 AM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Bryanw92
I think that it’s the duty of Christians to erect crosses and patriots to put up flags.

Fine, put them on your property. They don't belong in wild areas that you don't own.

16 posted on 06/27/2014 7:28:05 AM PDT by BigBobber (`)
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To: RIghtwardHo

It was not a Foreign Flag


17 posted on 06/27/2014 7:38:29 AM PDT by californian by choice
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To: Gunpowder green

“The rangers didn’t have anything more important to do than go around cutting down American flags?”

I’m surprised they didn’t leave the pole and hoist the U.N. flag. Aren’t all our parks and waterways controlled by them already?

I say hoorah for these Mormon kids who packed bags of concrete up to the top of a mountain to fly OUR flag!!


18 posted on 06/27/2014 7:41:04 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: Colofornian

The rule has always been “take nothing but photographs, leave nothing but footprints.”

I just got back from a wilderness trip. It’s designated wilderness for a reason. There are plenty of other vast spaces suitable for “many uses,” such as National Forests and BLM areas.


19 posted on 06/27/2014 8:02:26 AM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all smart little girls to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Colofornian

Just curious what would happen if a bunch Muzzies tried to erect something there whether the FedGov would be up in arms.


20 posted on 06/27/2014 8:15:07 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: Colofornian

The action certainly seems weird.
It never once occurred to me to hall concrete up a mountain to plant a flag, it sure seems like lots of work.
However, at the gate enters, of course .
If the kids were looking for a patriotic project, it’s seems they could have talked to the rangers and asked what they could do.
Did I miss the part about how the rangers knew it was mormonS or do I need more coffee.


21 posted on 06/27/2014 8:19:00 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: lightman

That’s funny, they say it but it’s not practiced


22 posted on 06/27/2014 8:21:21 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: panaxanax

So who will maintain the flag?
Who puts it up and takes it down daily, is it lite at night?
It is disrespectful to have placed the flag just to degrade with no attention in the woods.
Yea, hooray for them-eye roll


23 posted on 06/27/2014 8:24:30 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Colofornian
Whaddya think on this one, Freepers?

I think the missionaries were way out of line in pouring the cement.

I also think that if it were Baptist kids doing it you would never have posted the article.

24 posted on 06/27/2014 8:37:20 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: wita
KSL.com [owned by Lds Church] Your point is?

[Nobody can write this article off as an "anti-Mormon" source]

25 posted on 06/27/2014 8:40:46 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
I think the missionaries were way out of line in pouring the cement. I also think that if it were Baptist kids doing it you would never have posted the article.

(Well, #1, these weren't "kids" who did it...all of the Lds mishies are adults...and, #2, as far as I can tell, Baptist missionaries aren't showing up in articles for having done something illegal)

26 posted on 06/27/2014 8:43:13 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: RIghtwardHo; BigBobber; Sherman Logan

>>Fine, put them on your property. They don’t belong in wild areas that you don’t own.
>>Put up whatever crosses or flagpoles you choose.

>>Just put them up on your own land.

>>So I get to run around and put up a flag or a cross just wherever I want?

>>No.

This is why I always get a laugh when FReepers start talking about fighting some big revolution against the government. Big Sister thanks you for your enthusiastic compliance, comrades.


27 posted on 06/27/2014 9:07:06 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
I also think that if it were Baptist kids doing it you would never have posted the article.

While it could be floating out there somewhere as an article, I also don't see lawsuit articles vs. Baptist missionaries from having sexually abused/raped a 13 yo...leading to a pregnancy...like this one:
Sex abuse lawsuit filed against Mormon church [allegations re: Lds missionary & cover-up]

28 posted on 06/27/2014 9:14:51 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: RIghtwardHo

The law is an ass. I don’t respect most of the laws passed in the last 20 years. Over 50% are utter bullshit and some are downright unlawful themselves.


29 posted on 06/27/2014 9:53:44 AM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: svcw

No LDS jay-walkers to report on or bash today?

Anyone (from any religion) that goes to so much work to fly our great flag, even if for one day, should make you proud to be an American.


30 posted on 06/27/2014 10:36:44 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: panaxanax

Your reply makes no sense, unless you don’t mind a flag that degrades because there is no one to care for it.
If they wanted to place a flag where it could cared for, would be a different issue.
I’m surprised you have no problem leaving the flag in a place that would allow such treatment and disrespect - shame on you.


31 posted on 06/27/2014 10:55:41 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: panaxanax; svcw; All
No LDS jay-walkers to report on or bash today?

Well, let's see. Panaxanax posted this late a.m.

And by then, two FR threads had gone up this a.m....They included:

* Oregon school shooting suspect fascinated with guns but was a devoted Mormon, his friends say
* Sex abuse lawsuit filed against Mormon church [allegations re: Lds missionary & cover-up]

Panaxanax' implication referencing "jay-walking"? That serious crimes like murder and 13-year-old repeated rape are on the same level as "jay-walking."

(Seems quite determined to engage in criminal-acts' reductionism for the sake of protecting the Mormon Church).

32 posted on 06/27/2014 12:31:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Rules are rules.

At least it was a US flag and not a symbol of America's latest fad: SOCCER!



33 posted on 06/27/2014 2:07:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lightman
Thought one of the pillars of Mormonism was obedience to the government.

True; but who can POSSIBLY know all of the 'rules' we 'free' Americans are subject to?

34 posted on 06/27/2014 2:08:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: panaxanax
Perhaps they didn't know the 'rules'; but shouldn't they have ASKED whether they could do a good deed like this first?


#12


Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


 

35 posted on 06/27/2014 2:11:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: panaxanax
I say hoorah for these Mormon kids who packed bags of concrete up to the top of a mountain to fly OUR flag!!

Are there NONE in Utah that are NOT under Gov't control?

36 posted on 06/27/2014 2:12:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

If a flag is flown in the forest, and no one sees it; is it still patriotic?


37 posted on 06/27/2014 2:13:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
I also think that if it were Baptist kids doing it you would never have posted the article.

True; for NO one can beat a CATHOLIC at this sort of thing - unless it's a MORMON!

38 posted on 06/27/2014 2:14:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: panaxanax
No LDS jay-walkers to report on or bash today?

Sorry...

...just LDS 'scripture'...


 

Trinity:

 

found in the Book of MORMON        -----------   rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants 

Book of Mormon:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)


"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)


"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

Doctrine and Covenants:

According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32)

And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20)

Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)

 

 

39 posted on 06/27/2014 2:15:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

MOUNTAINS!

got left off before:

Are there none...

40 posted on 06/27/2014 2:17:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Good one


41 posted on 06/27/2014 2:31:31 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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