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Lois Lerner Fights Back
Politico ^ | 6/27/2014 | Rachel Bade

Posted on 06/28/2014 9:46:41 AM PDT by VinceASA

Lois Lerner has no records of two years of missing emails and Republican claims that she’s hiding something are “silly,” her lawyer said in his first interview since the controversy around the former IRS official erupted two weeks ago.

“She doesn’t know what happened,” lawyer William Taylor III said of the 2011 computer crash that erased two years worth of Lerner’s correspondence. “It’s a little brazen to think she did this on purpose.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/lois-lerner-irs-scandal-108399.html#ixzz35x9YRwbt

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: crash; emails; irs; lerner; loislerner
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When will someone point out that emails are NOT stored on employees' local hard drives in larger companies (like the US government). Emails are stored on a central email server (such as an exchange server). This must be the case if she also uses a Blackberry. Also, most email servers have archives and are always backed up.
1 posted on 06/28/2014 9:46:41 AM PDT by VinceASA
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To: VinceASA

Another public servant “fighting back” against hardworking, American taxpayers! Let’s all celebrate! She’s like some kind of freaky Nazi Wonder Woman!


2 posted on 06/28/2014 9:49:29 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Feed the wacko enrviromentalists to the starving polar bears.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Who is William Taylor III ?


3 posted on 06/28/2014 9:50:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: VinceASA

She already fought back when she destroyed the
hard drives, and then the backup tapes.


4 posted on 06/28/2014 9:52:44 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: VinceASA

To clarify, when an employee’s hard drive crashes, there is no effect on emails. When this happens, all historical emails are reloaded from the central email server.

I’m sure the central email server did not crash. That would have made national news in 2011.


5 posted on 06/28/2014 9:53:12 AM PDT by VinceASA
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To: FlingWingFlyer

So when did Lying Lois Lerner ever tell the truth?


6 posted on 06/28/2014 9:53:15 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: VinceASA

This whole thing will go nowhere. Lerner has the full force of the executive and administrative branches of the government backing her up. Add all of the cronies and you hit a literal brick wall. Until one side quits playing by the rules of their adversary, their adversary will keep winning.


7 posted on 06/28/2014 9:57:03 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: VinceASA

The facts are closing in on her, otherwise she’d just remain quiet.


8 posted on 06/28/2014 9:58:09 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: factoryrat

There’s an administrative brach of government?


9 posted on 06/28/2014 9:58:14 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: VinceASA

“Lois Lerner has no records of two years of missing emails and Republican claims that she’s hiding something are “silly,” her lawyer said...”

There’s a non-denial denial. Of course she has no records—she destroyed them.

It’s a bit like the man who killed his parents asking for mercy because he’s an orphan.


10 posted on 06/28/2014 9:59:50 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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"Lerner came to work one day in late spring 2011 and was surprised to flick on her computer to find a “blue screen,” he said

I have had my share of fixing computers... but if she got the Blue Screen, that is generated by Windows XP OpSys, that means her disk was spinning up and attempting to read the boot sector.
There should have been readable data sectors. I call BS on the Hard Drive crash.
They're a lot more hands in this pie, someone was ordered to destroy the drive and left a clue, or someone with little experience attempted to make it look like a HD crash.

11 posted on 06/28/2014 10:00:19 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: VinceASA
O course it is silly to believe there is wrong doing!

Accidents happen---like for instance, the crash of 6 more computers of people who had been emailing back and forth with Lerner.

Such coincidences are such a bitch if you are suspicious (color me that), and so serendipitous if you are guilty(color Lerner et al that).

vaudine

12 posted on 06/28/2014 10:01:02 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: VinceASA

What made her computer crash?

That really just doesn’t happen anymore. The only thing that could have made such happen is if Lois was looking at porn all day.


13 posted on 06/28/2014 10:01:34 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Diogenesis
Rosa Klebb Lois lerner
14 posted on 06/28/2014 10:02:07 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: VinceASA

If she’s not hiding anything, why did she plead the 5th?


15 posted on 06/28/2014 10:02:11 AM PDT by Ironfocus
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To: VinceASA
“She doesn’t know what happened,” lawyer William Taylor III said of the 2011 computer crash that erased two years worth of Lerner’s correspondence. “It’s a little brazen to think she did this on purpose.”

A good start, but he needs to tie it to the War on Women. Later, if needed, he can reveal that Lerner is 1/36th Cherokee Indian and play the race card. :)

16 posted on 06/28/2014 10:03:06 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: Diogenesis

Not in defense of LOIS, but let’s say she didn’t destroy the emails. It isn’t as though the Obama team couldn’t hack her computer and remove incriminating information, such as who she communicated with at the WH which I think is why the emails were destroyed.. Frankly, I don’t think LL is the brightest bulb on the tree, she was doing the devils work and was obviously being used and managed.


17 posted on 06/28/2014 10:03:40 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: VinceASA

If six employee’s hard drives, containing all of their emails “crashed” is it possible to remove those accounts only from the email server, and would the server show evidence that those accounts had been removed?


18 posted on 06/28/2014 10:03:44 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (There's no there there.)
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To: VinceASA

Sorry, I can’t hear or read anything she says. My ears and eyes have invoked the 5th.


19 posted on 06/28/2014 10:05:15 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Robe

Here’s the question I would like to have answered...we know the emails were backed up on multiple servers, and archived as well. If in fact the e-mails no longer exist, it could only be by deliberate and illegal acts. WHO would have the administrative authority on these systems to access and delete the e-mails, and what if any record of that access would exist and could be retrieved?


20 posted on 06/28/2014 10:06:43 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Diogenesis
"She already fought back when she destroyed the hard drives, and then the backup tapes."

No "she didn't destroy the hard drives and then the backup tapes." She's not smart enough to do that, she is merely the hatchet person for the IRS against conservative groups and elected Republican congresspeople!

She's also too important to do such menial things like erasing emails and wiping hard drives, then realizing they could be reconstituted, takes a hammer to them.

The entire Administration are an evil bunch, along with the IRS, but the actual dirty work (like Islamic terrorists, they "have others to fasten bomb belts and go stand in the middle of an Israeli shopping center, bus or grade school!")

They don't want any blood left on their hands, they use other people, lower down on the food chain, whom they can blame and toss under the bus - if necessary.

This bunch, while certainly devious, don't have the smarts to pull off tracking down emails to erase then destroy hard drives on which they would be stored, they have their "people" to do the actual heavy lifting when it comes to tracking down incriminating records in which lead directly to Obama himself!

21 posted on 06/28/2014 10:07:30 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Robe

Again, emails are not just stored on a local hard drive. They are primarily stored on a central email server. This allows multiple devices, like her PC and her Blackberry to access them.

My laptop hard drive crashed last year. All I did was log on to my new laptop as me and ALL of my historical emails downloaded to it from the email server. Didn’t lose a thing.

Also, most email servers archive messages after 90 days.


22 posted on 06/28/2014 10:08:15 AM PDT by VinceASA
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Wait until he finds out she has “lost” his legal bills.


23 posted on 06/28/2014 10:08:19 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: VinceASA
“It’s a little brazen to think she did this on purpose.”

It's more than brazen to expect us to think that over the course of two years there were no backups.

24 posted on 06/28/2014 10:08:23 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: VinceASA

I’d like to see them go after Elijah Cummings’ computers. He acts like he’s hiding something from the American people.


25 posted on 06/28/2014 10:13:08 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Feed the wacko enrviromentalists to the starving polar bears.)
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To: VinceASA
When will someone point out that emails are NOT stored on employees' local hard drives in larger companies (like the US government). Emails are stored on a central email server (such as an exchange server).

According to their IT policy, they had a size limit on user Exchange/Outlook mailboxes. So if the mailbox got full, the user would have to clean it up, by doing one of two things - 1.) archive old emails (they wanted to save) or 2.) delete them entirely.

Archive emails can be placed on the local hard drive/ outlook folder and do not get synced or backed up to server.

My theory is that in June she archived every damning email from the server down to her hard drive. And then destroyed her hard drive. But!! The emails would have still been part of the 6 month backup tapes, as they are simply snapshots of every mailbox on the Exchange server. But they admitted they didn't restore using the tapes. And once 6 months expired, they were gone. Very conveniently.

That said, an IT investigator expert could still locate every email by the way of log files, address book (who did she send emails to, and subpoena them all), blackberry server and logs, ISP files/logs, purchase orders of storage media (drives/thumb drives/CDs), names of every IT person and their logs who worked on hard drive and installed new drive, etc.
26 posted on 06/28/2014 10:15:58 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“It’s a little brazen to think she did this on purpose.”

I don’t think for a minute that *she* did it at all.


27 posted on 06/28/2014 10:17:08 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: VinceASA

You would think that would be common knowledge that emails are stored on servers.

I posted this thread about Lois Lerner a few days ago; she is nothing but a political hack according to the article.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3172633/posts


28 posted on 06/28/2014 10:18:01 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: nhwingut

Helpful reply. So, this means that the US government’s official IT policy does nothing to store and protect older emails? If that is true, that needs to change.


29 posted on 06/28/2014 10:20:31 AM PDT by VinceASA
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To: VinceASA
“She doesn’t know what happened,” lawyer William Taylor III said of the 2011 computer crash that erased two years worth of Lerner’s correspondence. “It’s a little brazen to think she did this on purpose.”

Just a little reminder about what the function of a defense lawyer is; to protect the client! In this role the lawyer cannot knowingly lie IN COURT or in LEGAL DOCUMENTS, beyond that - fair game!

So I equate a lawyer with a hired Public Relations Flack or a hired gun slinger, truth is not their goal, protection of the client is the goal.

Of course the fact that most of elected government is full of lawyers is a good thing, RIGHT?

30 posted on 06/28/2014 10:26:54 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: VinceASA

charge the nazi bitch with obstruction already.


31 posted on 06/28/2014 10:27:34 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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So, this means that the US government’s official IT policy does nothing to store and protect older emails?

It's clearly done on purpose. Supposedly they have a policy that calls for printing out official business emails. Which is ambiguous at best. And it's at the agent's determination. If it's incriminating do you think the agent is going to print it out? Right! And secondly, the idea, in this digital age and government green agenda (when storage is so cheap), they'd print out on paper instead of digitally storing it is so laughable. Oops, spilled coffee on it.

Bottomline, the IRS is nothing but a legal criminal organization. And we know that destroying evidence is task #1 of most organized crime operations. This wasn't a policy that slipped through the cracks. They are always getting sued. And what better protection than having no evidence.
32 posted on 06/28/2014 10:29:01 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: VinceASA


33 posted on 06/28/2014 10:29:22 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Tagline space for sale)
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To: Covenantor

The resemblance is stunning!


34 posted on 06/28/2014 10:30:25 AM PDT by uncitizen (Buckle up! We're on the Facism Fast Track!)
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To: VinceASA
When will someone point out that emails are NOT stored on employees' local hard drives in larger companies (like the US government). Emails are stored on a central email server (such as an exchange server). This must be the case if she also uses a Blackberry. Also, most email servers have archives and are always backed up.

If that's true then why haven't these been seized/subpeonead?

35 posted on 06/28/2014 10:31:49 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (liberalism is a cancer that destroys everything it gets control of.)
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To: rottndog; VinceASA
My experience is with a local school district.(Now retired)
(3 large High Schools, and umteen middle and elementary schools)
We, due to costs, had our teachers and administrators archive their emails at the end of each school year to their respective hard drives, and the servers would be scrubbed.
They were advised to keep those archived emails on a external drive.
So potentially, if they didn't follow directions, they could lose a year's worth of emails.
That said, however, we have paid $400-$500 on occasion for drives to be recovered by a tech firm that specializes in data recovery. (a lawyer in the dist office didn't do as directed) But if she got the Blue screen of Death, the drive didn't "Crash", Windows XP did !.. Data can still be recovered in house,if we at a local school dist can do this I'm sure the experts at IRS CIS surely can.
36 posted on 06/28/2014 10:32:43 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: VinceASA
“It’s a little brazen to think she did this on purpose.”

It's just plain lying to pretend she didn't.

37 posted on 06/28/2014 10:35:56 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: VinceASA

Is the fact that she is making a statement through her lawyer a violation of her protections under the fifth amendment?


38 posted on 06/28/2014 10:36:30 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: vaudine

Obviously those computers were infected by the dreaded Lois Lerner virus/worm.


39 posted on 06/28/2014 10:37:55 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: VinceASA

They broke a couple of laws (2, I think) by not properly backing up/storing information. They also didn’t report the hard drive “crashes” per the law to the proper people.

US Archivist: The IRS ‘did not follow the law’
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/24/us-archivist-the-irs-did-not-follow-the-law/


40 posted on 06/28/2014 10:41:31 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: VinceASA
"Republican claims that she’s hiding something are “silly,” her lawyer said"

Then why did she plead the fifth?

41 posted on 06/28/2014 10:42:26 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

for sure she is lying. BTW She is kind of a sexy woman


42 posted on 06/28/2014 10:43:41 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

for sure she is lying. BTW She is kind of a sexy woman


43 posted on 06/28/2014 10:43:41 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: VinceASA
Let's play a game. Let's pretend you're a taxpayer and you don't send in your return some year. The IRS comes to you and demands to see your financial records. You tell them you don't have any, they were lost when your computer's hard drive crashed.

How do you think they'd respond?

44 posted on 06/28/2014 10:43:44 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Covenantor
Yep, totally looks like...
Rosa Klebb Lois Lerner

Fight Gibesmedat Nation ☭
I, for one, welcome our new Cybernetic Overlords /.
Mash Dobbshead® for HTML, bop Hello_Cthlhu for XAMPP

45 posted on 06/28/2014 10:44:15 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: VinceASA

I thought she pleaded The Fifth. Does speaking out rescind that?


46 posted on 06/28/2014 10:47:05 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Another public servant “fighting back” against hardworking, American taxpayers!

Yeah, exactly. All of a sudden, the IRS has become the left's poor beleaguered hero.

47 posted on 06/28/2014 10:51:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: VinceASA

Gee Lois, hard to believe you aren’t hiding something after taking the 5th.....


48 posted on 06/28/2014 10:51:58 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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BTW She is kind of a sexy woman

In a Hillary-is-Hot sorta way...probably some kind of weird fetish thing that can be found somewhere on the interwebs.
49 posted on 06/28/2014 10:54:08 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Ironfocus

I was watching some of Trey Gowdy’s greatest hits yesterday in response to her pleading the 5th.
Trey is wonderful, and it boils my blood to have the head of the agency that has all of my private info, and soon my health info sit there and not be held accountable. The gall of these bastar%s is appalling. I loved it when Trey got the new Commish stuttering during questioning last Monday. They are smug, and real change is needed.

ARE WE STILLFREE?


50 posted on 06/28/2014 10:55:43 AM PDT by stillfree? (Rome is Burning)
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