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Posted on 06/28/2014 10:13:01 AM PDT by Perseverando
The Pentagon has donated hundreds of MRAP vehicles to police departments nationwide.
Historians looking back at this period in Americas development will consider it to be profoundly odd that at the exact moment when violent crime hit a 50-year low, the nations police departments began to gear up as if the country were expecting invasion and, on occasion, to behave as if one were underway. The ACLU reported recently that SWAT teams in the United States conduct around 45,000 raids each year, only 7 percent of which have anything whatsoever to do with the hostage situations with which those teams were assembled to contend. Paramilitary operations, the ACLU concluded, are happening in about 124 homes every day or more likely every night and four in five of those are performed in order that authorities might search homes, usually for drugs. Such raids routinely involve armored personnel carriers, military equipment like battering rams, and flashbang grenades.
Were the military being used in such a manner, we would be rightly outraged. Why not here? Certainly this is not a legal matter. The principle of posse comitatus draws a valuable distinction between the national armed forces and parochial law enforcement, and one that all free people should greatly cherish. Still, it seems plain that the potential threat posed by a domestic standing army is not entirely blunted just because its units are controlled locally. To add the prefix para to a problem is not to make it go away, nor do legal distinctions change the nature of power. Over the past two decades, the federal government has happily sent weapons of war to local law enforcement, with nary a squeak from anyone involved with either political party. Are we comfortable with this?
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Can you say “Police State?”
Must be getting used to the police and military working together like in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Why would the St. Cloud police need a vehicle like that on the bottom of that photo? Bizarre.
If they could get the vehicles cheaply and convert them for peaceful and useful purposes, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. As they’re using them, I’ve got a big problem with it.
Remember, citizens can’t complain about police brutality if they’re dead.
We arent going to be able to stop the proliferation of the military weapons to local police forces.
Its important, however, to change those things we can, and in this case one thing to change is our perception of those weapons.
We need to begin thinking of them as resources for our side, resources being maintained and fueled for us to use when they are needed.
If the government is prohibited from using the US Military against us, they will just militarize the police. Same result. Different method.
Well the MRAP’s look scary but in reality if a semi rams one and turns it on its side what then? Its a metal bug in the road. Or if some enterprising miscreant with a .30 cal snipes those two air brake tanks in the rear undercarriage the brakes lock up and its now a bug sitting dead in the road.
I’ll venture a guess that if another unknown miscreant let off a few slap rounds the engine block would be toast and yet another bug in the road filled with para military. They have to come out sometime.
But more to the point this insanity needs to be dealt with at the official levels. The Congress and Courts are going to have to step in or we will see the public at war with the police.
There needs to be a class action lawsuit calling attention that local police departments are now as powerful, if not more so, than the military and they’re breaking the posse comitatus law. The Founding Fathers, I believe, would have made the law more about local police had they known what was coming down the pike.
The equipment in those photos are over-the-top, especially for small towns. They are Big Boy Toys, and once the departments get them they are itching to use them. After all, what’s the point of having toys if you don’t get to play with them?
This was evident in Watertown, Massachusetts after the Boston Marathon attack. A tank rolling down residential streets in the search for a suspect fleeing on foot, in hindsight, was pretty useless. But they got to play with the toys and intimidate their neighbors!
With the drawdown in Iraq and Afghanistan a lot of MRAPs are becoming available. They are useful is certain situations, like covering open ground under fire, evacuating victims from the same area. That doesn't mean you should roll them out every time you serve a warrant.
The bigger question should be where the money is coming from. The answer is DHS grants. How should that grant money be used? I would say the first priority should be to support common goals that are in need every day. A perfect example of this is radio systems. It is hard to claim that upgrading a radio system will lead to out of control policing. It will lead to better policing and better mutual aid ability between state, local, and federal agencies. In addition an upgraded radio system gets used every day, not once in a blue moon.
Police organizations need to really look at the way they spend money and get the most benefit with their dollars. Less flash bangs and maybe more less lethal weapons. I think SWAT teams are necessary, but they need flexibility in their tactics. No knock warrants need to be the rare exception, and tossing around flashbangs needs to be understood as stupid and unnecessary.
I am concerned because I have seen a lot more flashbang use in car take downs recently. Haven't seen any used for a house entry. I also haven't seen any warrants on dwellings where the target hasn't been spotted recently by the same officers and agents serving the warrant. This problem with hitting the wrong house or hitting the former home has not been an issue in our area, because those things are supposed to be confirmed prior to receiving a warrant.
That baby has certainly learned a lesson about drugs.
The problem with the war on drugs is that it incentivizes the pushing of drugs thus creating a need for money and it diverts the harm to innocent victims like this baby or some little old lady mugged on the street.
This would be a good time to repost the “How to disable an MRAP” thread....
It certainly does. This country learned nothing from Prohibition. Nothing.
My father was a NYPD lieutenant in the 40s, and 50s. He said the militarization of the police forces, which he saw happening after WW2, would create an ‘us against them’ attitude. He always said the best policemen were everyday working class men, like truck drivers.
Rep. Stewart Introduces Bill to De-Militarize Federal Regulatory Agencies
Washington, D.C. Today, Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah) introduced the Regulatory Agency De-militarization (RAD) Act, which stems the trend of federal regulatory agencies developing SWAT-like teams.
In recent years, numerous federal regulatory agencies including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Food and Drug Agency and the Department of Education have created their own special law enforcement teams to conduct their own arrests and raids. This is in part a product of the 2002 Homeland Security Act, which gave most Offices of Inspector General arrest and firearm authority.
Funny thing: I'm bother much less by drugs than I am by the institutional perfidy and duplicity employed by, and ingrained into, modern police agencies and their personnel.
You know what would help these out-of-control cops win back good public opinion?
Start looking like police officers instead of Hollywood caricatures of soldiers from bad movies.
Lots of cops with delusions of Seal Team Six grandeur lift weights to look as menacing as possible, and they’re obviously getting help from steroids.
Police departments need to institute regular drug testing, the same kind of tests that are administered to professional athletes. Any cop who uses steroids should be fired.
Steroids engender a hair trigger temper in an otherwise normal person, who in this case carries a gun. (It’s science, not cop-hate. You know what else is science? Total number of dogs shot so far this year by itchy trigger-finger ‘roid ragers. And babies blown up by flash grenades.)
Also, cops shouldn’t be allowed to shave their heads. A chrome dome is an escalator because it’s aggressive and threatening. And it’s intended to be.
Why should citizens have to deal with a ‘roided out chrome dome whose mien and appearance are expressly designed to cow and threaten at a at a traffic stop? You work for us, ‘roid ragers, and you should look like us.
Americans love their soldiers. They just don’t like cops playing soldier games with the American people, as if the American people were the enemy.
Act like cops, not soldiers making war on our own citizens, and you might regain some of the respect you’ve lost in recent years.
No knock warrants need to be the rare exception, .......
45,000 SWAT raids per year? That is (another) absolute travesty in modern America. Police forces should simply not be armed or act like military units. I don’t care if some guilty people temporarily escape punishment. The police shouldn’t resort to violence until every other avenue has been exhausted.
Wanting to learn more about the local PD, I enrolled in and completed the citizen police academy.
Very interesting class, learned a lot about laws, policies, practices, everything about the PD; from local patrol and traffic enforcement, to criminal investigations involving murder and child abuse (gawd-awful some of the photos and the child abuse would make you cry).
Anyway, very interesting class on the local PD.
Had a session on SWAT team operations.
The usual that you would expect, sniper rifles and AR-15s, to a lesson on tear-gas and flash-bang grenades. No armored vehicles though. All the SWAT guys were physically studded-out. Steroid abuse, I think.
Anyway, they showed us a video from a no-knock raid on a residence they conducted.
They wore personal cameras so we saw the raid from their perspective.
Set-up: Seems some guy was lurking in shopping centers and waiting for unsuspecting women to leave the stores and drive home, with him following. He would then follow them into the garage and rape them in their home.
The SWAT teams had him under surveillance for several days at his residence, actually, his parents home, and knew his routine and that he slept on the living-room couch fold-out bed.
The SWAT team conducted a no-knock raids at 0300hrs and the video was full of noise (flash-bang), yelling and breaking glass.
One SWAT member goes down the hall to the rear of the home and the dad stumbles out from the bedroom in his t-shirt and shorts and was yelled at to get down while at the same time thrown to the ground.
The SWAT guys told us how it was a great arrest and worked according to plan.
I asked the SWAT guys what would have happened to the father if he came out of the room with a firearm.
They answered he would have been taken down.
I replied, wait, you told us the parents didnt know what their son was up to and if someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night Im coming out shooting.
The SWAT guy, with a smirk, replied, Well, officer safety comes first. Totally missing the point.
I then asked the SWAT team why they did a middle of the night no-knock raid when they observed this guy for days and knew his routine and all they had to do was wait for him to come out his front door in the morning and arrest him.
Stunned, deer-in-headlights moment.
Stammering an answer was something along the lines of Well, we um, we couldnt risk him getting away.
Rubbish and I told them so. They we not pleased with me.
Met with the Chief of Police and relayed my concerns. He is a new chief and is a nice guy and was not from around here when the raid happened. He told me that since he arrived he has been taking on the SWAT team for issues he discovered.
I think he is getting a saddle on those boys.
A couple years ago, male police officers in one NJ town petitioned to wear earrings on the job, to make them look more intimidating.
Earrings. On male police officers. To make them look more intimidating.
I can’t even wrap my mind around that.
It’s an industry that pays for bennies, vacations, tuition, health insurance, retirement... What’s not to love about WOD?
Hmmm, I wonder ....
Incorporate our little prepper compound as a city. Then create a police force, then ask the government for all kinds of goodies.
If you can’t beat ‘em ... join ‘em
Not only is the equipment over the top, but it’s an absolute waste of money. So what if it’s free to start with. Those things are not cheap to maintain or operate.
I have no doubt there are still many good men and women in the various departments. The root problem, however, is the policy that’s facilitating the militarization and those attracted to it.
No, they don't. Enough Molotovs will roast the contents satisfactorily.
When it reaches the point that they are attacking us with military hardware, the "contents" are no longer fellow citizens just doing a job; they are the regime.
Did anyone think to ask exactly who those cops are fighting that they need to “intimidate”?
If you’re defending against an INVADING ARMY, by all means, paint your face blue, Braveheart. You’re a soldier fighting an enemy.
But cops? You need to look like the citizens you work for. Don’t try to intimidate us. WE’RE NOT YOUR ENEMY.
I got a terrifying taste of the new soldier/cop mentality a couple years ago when my Los Angeles neighborhood suburb was sealed off by cops looking for someone involved in a shooting nearby.
Cops with rifles and body armor on every corner. Streets barricaded. You couldn’t drive in or even walk back to your home. We were “ordered” to stay inside our houses.
After eleven hours, a couple neighbors and I finally approached the cop on the nearest corner to ask when family members could come home. He wouldn’t speak to us — he just starting SCREAMING at us not to take another step toward him and to go back inside our houses immediately or we’d all be arrested. He put his hand on his rifle butt and started jabbering into his radio for back-up.
He was a shaved head, ‘roided out a-hole, completely out of control, who had no business handling a machine gun in the suburbs.
I will never forget it. Martial law was declared by... whom? Not a the mayor. Or the governor. It was a bunch of cops playing soldier.
But when they said "Don't worry; We are just going to use it for Search and Rescue." I laughed. A more useless vehicle for traversing hiking trails I have never seen. Horses, ATVs or motorcycles are what they need for that.
But the new Police Chief is a political appointee with very little field experience as a police officer, by our corrupt and fascistic Village council, so it is only a matter of time.
Only a matter of time.
Bookmark to your post #20.
Seems the SWAT teams are afraid of the GANGS...
The gangs and there is a lot of them..
Operate with impunity...
The SWAT teams know where they are, what they are doing, and basically who they all are..
BUT.... the gangs continue to operate..
Could be the SWAT teams are gangs themselves and respect each other..
Unless the gangs pay the SWAT-TERS OFF...
There are lots of gangs.. like,, Congress, the Supremes, and the Executive Branch..
WHo have all the respect of a Woverine toward each other..
The Journalists work with all of them.. and keep track of who currently the meanest is..
Pillars of each community (the only law-abiding civilians/bosses, according to judicial authority law enforcement academies) have good reasons to fear. Things are getting to be more unsafe every day. Artillery should be issued to them.
The gangs are controlled and kept in line by the most influential political constituents who own them and the associated local governments. And that’s okay, you know, because “there’s corruption everywhere.”
Moose have antlers?
Montgomery county texas sheriffs office. Looks more like soldiers in Iraq.
Watching the second Hunger Games movie while reading this, and it’s playing the part where the “peacekeepers” are brutalizing District 12.
I can honestly see the peacekeepers replaced by SWAT teams and doing the same thing
Moose have antlers?
Well.... they are very horny...
When I was growing up, there were a few old timers with earrings. They were old swabbies who had sailed the 7 seas, and wore that earring as a symbol of their travels. Part of the blued, screwed, and tattooed process I gathered.
Now if I see a man with an earring I immediately think druggie or fruit.
And Fedzilla is thinking they are their resources being staged near potential insurgents. Are country citizens being trained how to operate this equipment in a pinch? Not likely.
I’m thinking that if they need an MWRAP then I need an AT4, just for the sake of parity.
Just more targets of opportunity for when shooting war starts
Or neat toys for our side when TSHTF
Even with all this SWAT masturbatory implements it won’t he enough for local Barneys to hold off a well heeled response by patriot citizenry
Nor will all Barney’s take the side of tyranny push come to shove
WMD in the hands of govt forces....now that is a bigger threat in a shoorubf war
>b>Extremely well said!....bravo</b>