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Paul Krugman: The Incompetence Dogma. So Much for Obamacare Not Working
New York Times ^ | 06/27/2014 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 06/28/2014 11:29:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Have you been following the news about Obamacare? The Affordable Care Act has receded from the front page, but information about how it’s going keeps coming in — and almost all the news is good. Indeed, health reform has been on a roll ever since March, when it became clear that enrollment would surpass expectations despite the teething problems of the federal website.

What’s interesting about this success story is that it has been accompanied at every step by cries of impending disaster. At this point, by my reckoning, the enemies of health reform are 0 for 6. That is, they made at least six distinct predictions about how Obamacare would fail — every one of which turned out to be wrong.

“To err is human,” wrote Seneca. “To persist is diabolical.” Everyone makes incorrect predictions. But to be that consistently, grossly wrong takes special effort. So what’s this all about?

Many readers won’t be surprised by the answer: It’s about politics and ideology, not analysis. But while this observation isn’t particularly startling, it’s worth pointing out just how completely ideology has trumped evidence in the health policy debate.

And I’m not just talking about the politicians; I’m talking about the wonks. It’s remarkable how many supposed experts on health care made claims about Obamacare that were clearly unsupportable. For example, remember “rate shock”? Last fall, when we got our first information about insurance premiums, conservative health care analysts raced to claim that consumers were facing a huge increase in their expenses. It was obvious, even at the time, that these claims were misleading; we now know that the great majority of Americans buying insurance through the new exchanges are getting coverage quite cheaply.

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KEYWORDS: authorondrugs; delusional; incompetence; krugman; obamacare; paulkrugman; worsteconomistever
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1 posted on 06/28/2014 11:29:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Says the Obamacare exempt goon.


2 posted on 06/28/2014 11:31:40 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: SeekAndFind

I see that the Slimes is up to its usual B/S again.


3 posted on 06/28/2014 11:31:52 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: mongo141

“great majority of Americans buying insurance through the new exchanges are getting coverage quite cheaply”

conveniently not noting this is the net cost AFTER SUBSIDIES.


4 posted on 06/28/2014 11:33:42 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul Krugman is certifiable.


5 posted on 06/28/2014 11:35:17 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Krugman is such a hopelessly deranged little man.


6 posted on 06/28/2014 11:35:21 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama's faithful ferret: paul krugman photo: Paul Krugman 1 PaulKrugman.jpg as ugly as a cottonmouth moccasin.
7 posted on 06/28/2014 11:36:03 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: SeekAndFind

Krugman: “We’ve heard scare stories about how Obamacare works in practice. That premiums are going up and a little girl who lost her cardiologist. These stories are false.”


8 posted on 06/28/2014 11:37:26 AM PDT by SSS Two
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To: Mouton
“great majority of Americans buying insurance through the new exchanges are getting coverage quite cheaply”

If doctors/hospitals refuse to take Obamacare insurance, then what good does it do?

(Other than making Emergency Rooms -- that can't refuse anyone -- even more of a mess than they were before Obamacare. http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/08/more-patients-er-obamacare/10197793/ )

9 posted on 06/28/2014 11:38:56 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SSS Two

I’m relieved to hear that the premium for my ‘compliant’ plan didn’t triple.


10 posted on 06/28/2014 11:40:33 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Obamacare is gone from the headlines because the Coward Party has signed off on it now.

When more and more people start getting hit with cancellations and increased costs from the IRS, they’ll be wondering where the “Republican” party are.

Gone to K street with their heads up the butts of the lobbyists, that’s where.


11 posted on 06/28/2014 11:42:12 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: tumblindice
Looks like he's trying to compensate for something with all that pubic hair on his face.


12 posted on 06/28/2014 11:43:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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>> and almost all the news is good

The rodent is an asshat. Major rate hikes in the pipes.

Go pound sand, rodent asshat!


13 posted on 06/28/2014 11:43:17 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I still remember the times years ago where Bill O’Reilly and Krugman were guests on another talk show and Krugman tried a snide remark and O’R yelled at him. For the balance of the segment, Krugman was so intimidated, slouching, looking very small, and his hands were literally trembling.

No doubt in my mind he wet himself and soiled his BVDs.


14 posted on 06/28/2014 11:43:19 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Krugman sans pubifacial hair: rat photo: rat rat.jpg
16 posted on 06/28/2014 11:47:16 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: SeekAndFind
Conveniently ignoring the effect this new tax is already having on the economy.

If you enjoy laughing at him, James Taranto in the Wall Street Journal cleans Krugman's clock about three times per week:

In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false. ~ Former Enron Advisor Paul Krugman

17 posted on 06/28/2014 11:47:47 AM PDT by IncPen (None of this would be happening if John Boehner were alive...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Krug needs a 2x4 upside his head.


18 posted on 06/28/2014 11:48:58 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SeekAndFind

I work as a nurse. We had a patient who had to have Obamacare as she lost her job.

Then she had to have a surgery. She was brought to our hospital because of ACA, we take it, her other Dr. does not.

So she lost her usual surgeon, who has been managing her for years surgically for her chronic diabetic ulcers to her foot. He’s done a good job.

The new guy, our guy, is backlogged with surgeries. He could not get to her for a 4 or 5 days to do the surgery, whereas her other Doctor always took her into surgery the day after admittance to the other hospital. So she had to wait on his schedule in our hospital, getting antibiotics and having the schedule for surgery cancelled twice and rescheduled.

She’s ‘not happy’ with the ACA, I can tell you that, boy.


19 posted on 06/28/2014 11:50:19 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: SeekAndFind
It’s about politics and ideology, not analysis.

America was founded in liberty. Is that ideological? You bet. Your "analysis" is tiny compared the truths of our founding.

20 posted on 06/28/2014 11:52:27 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SeekAndFind

Usual crap. Obamacare is a massive failure, massively unpopular. All it has done is sign millions up for Medicaid on my taxpayer dime. Krugman also managed Enron, so best to ignore him


21 posted on 06/28/2014 11:52:31 AM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The “death spiral” is a spiral - it doesn’t happen overnight - whether it actually does happen we find out in the future, when we get feedback from how premiums and coverage costs correspond. I don’t even have a Nobel Prize in economics, and I can understand that point.

And at a more fundamental level, what we have now is not Obamacare, it’s a small subset of Obamacare. Mr. Krugman can get back to me with his snark once all the delays, exceptions, cut-outs, and hold-overs have expired, and the entire public has to walk around with this albatross.


22 posted on 06/28/2014 11:52:34 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: Beowulf9

The father of a friend on mine has been waiting since March 1 to see a cardiologist, he is still waiting. I am not talking about the VA.


23 posted on 06/28/2014 11:53:06 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: SeekAndFind

(Martha) RADDATZ: Let me ask you this, I want to go back to this implementation, because we can’t quite go forward yet. Did you feel misled by Obama?

(Senator Kristen) GILLIBRAND: He should have just been more specific, because the point is if you’re offered by a terrible health care plan that the minute you get sick, you’re going to have to go into bankruptcy, those plans should never be offered.

RADDATZ: So, were you misled?

GILLIBRAND: He should have just been specific.

No, we all knew...


24 posted on 06/28/2014 11:53:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: SeekAndFind

I almost feel sorry for Krugman.


25 posted on 06/28/2014 11:53:48 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: SeekAndFind

FORWARD COMRADES!!!


26 posted on 06/28/2014 11:55:18 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: SeekAndFind

So it just doesn’t count that people are losing their insurance, their doctors, and paying through the nose for the privilege. Those enrollment numbers are up (forced at the point of a penalty or worse).


27 posted on 06/28/2014 11:55:30 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Regulator

Why should they care? They’re exempt.


28 posted on 06/28/2014 11:56:06 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SeekAndFind

When should be able to euthanize this creep, under the aegis of the complete lives system.


29 posted on 06/28/2014 11:57:14 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m going to enjoy the look on Krugholes face when Ophonybamacare is declared a colossal failure and is replaced by a FRee market healthcare system!


30 posted on 06/28/2014 11:59:25 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Beowulf9
She’s ‘not happy’ with the ACA, I can tell you that, boy.

One thing we can thank God for is that neither Osama Obama nor any of his rich,privileged pals will ever have to wait 4 or 5 *seconds*,let alone days,for *anything*.

31 posted on 06/28/2014 11:59:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just a fraction of the population thus far is effected by Odungacare, and there was plenty of stink from those that have it. Wait until this time next year when it effects small and med size Companies with lost jobs and lost hours. Those in larger Company's will see their premiums jacked. The Alphabet Soup networks won't be able not to cover the carnage. And on que Klughead will tell the world all is well.
32 posted on 06/28/2014 12:01:49 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: SeekAndFind

How come Obamacare’s biggest champions are people who are exempt?


33 posted on 06/28/2014 12:02:41 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: SeekAndFind

Since much of this calamity has been postponed until after the ‘14 and even ‘16 elections, it is far too soon for this Obama cultist to hoist the “Mission Accomplished” banner.


34 posted on 06/28/2014 12:11:48 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind

How can it be working when all of its key features have been delayed for political reasons?


35 posted on 06/28/2014 12:13:08 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SeekAndFind

You can safely ignore the scare-monger’s rumors of Soviet troops and vehicles in Seelowe Heights. We’ve taken Moscow and are rapidly driving east.


36 posted on 06/28/2014 12:16:08 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll bet Krugman has pinup posters of Barry all over his bedroom walls.


37 posted on 06/28/2014 12:17:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Feed the wacko enrviromentalists to the starving polar bears.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is working just fine except for the ones who need it or have it. Otherwise..its a winner!


38 posted on 06/28/2014 12:17:47 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Not even half of Obamacare has been implemented after all Obama’s waivers for favored groups and his putting off many major components, including the biggest component of all which is implementation of the employer mandate.

No one but an idiot or an Obama apologist would be declaring success at this stage.


39 posted on 06/28/2014 12:18:48 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Mouton
“great majority of Americans buying insurance through the new exchanges are getting coverage quite cheaply”

But wait until they try to turn that into healthcare.

Then they'll find out how much paper is worth.

40 posted on 06/28/2014 12:21:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: SeekAndFind

Krugman must have missed the higher premiums, millions kicked off of their old plans, millions more who no longer have their life long doctors, the increase in overall uninsured, and the 2.9% **DROP** in national GDP (1st Q 2014) due entirely to healthcare “reform.”

A few more victories like that and Krugman will be able to say that 0bamacare made the USA into a multi-Billion Dollar success story...after starting with a multi-Trillion one.


41 posted on 06/28/2014 12:21:28 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: SeekAndFind
That the so called 'educated and intellectual' I know can read this stuff, swallow it as all they need to know, and then quote it in debate, is proof that whatever the terms 'educated' and 'intellectual' now mean ... those meanings are not what was intended. (Orwell, of course.)

An older friend of mine when I had graduated college and was in a business totally unrelated to my degree, used to say of Liberal Arts education: "It's only purpose should be to teach you HOW to learn, HOW to think." ... that what you actually learned really didn't matter much.

It's only purpose now is to teach "WHAT to think" followed by "how NOT to think."

It's remarkable, because these are people who were born capable of critical thought and inductive and deductive reasoning, but it's like someone injected that part of their brains with epoxy while they were out sleeping with the poppies. That part of their brains and souls that questions and investigates ... in a permanent, painless, peaceful state of hypnotic suspension ... and suggestion.

42 posted on 06/28/2014 12:25:08 PM PDT by tinyowl (A equals A)
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To: SeekAndFind

“great majority of Americans buying insurance through the new exchanges are getting coverage quite cheaply”

After someone else is being told to pay for it at gunpoint.


43 posted on 06/28/2014 12:26:51 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“I’ll bet Krugman has pinup posters of Barry all over his bedroom walls.”

And stained with god knows what.


44 posted on 06/28/2014 12:28:28 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Regulator

“Obamacare is gone from the headlines because the Coward Party has signed off on it now.”

Of course they have. It benefits their corporate buddies who are all too willing to dump everybody on the exchanges. And don’t forget the insurance companies who have had their losses socialized by taxpayers while the middle class gets hosed from all sides.


45 posted on 06/28/2014 12:33:46 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: SeekAndFind

The economy contracted by 2.9% LAST QUARTER ALONE DIP $HIT! That is hardly a success. We are in a NEW recession. This is the second quarter of GDP loss in a row. We are certainly in a recession and have never recovered from the last one.

This guy is an idiot!


46 posted on 06/28/2014 12:36:05 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Which is why he, the _resident, the Supremes and all members of Congress are exempt.

And why they're delaying the employer mandate until after the mid-terms.

What? Does he think 1/2 of the country is stupid?

Well.....

47 posted on 06/28/2014 12:38:29 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kneepadding right on schedule


48 posted on 06/28/2014 12:39:52 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Shame on Sam The Sham . . . Michael ScAM . . .$$$ grab all planned by this "handlers")
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Professors Suddenly Don’t Like ObamaCare Either
Investors Business Daily ^ | June 27, 2014
Posted on June 28, 2014 at 8:03:53 AM CDT by Zakeet

Health Reform: After years of singing the praises of universal health care, college professors are now shocked at how badly it has turned out — for them.

Adjunct professors are steamed at the way their employers are interpreting the Affordable Care Act’s employer mandate, which forces them to cover full-time but not part-time workers. Typical of liberals, they blame their employers instead of the job-killing law they supported.

Starting Jan. 1, ObamaCare makes employers offer all full-time workers health insurance or pay a fine. In response, hundreds of colleges have simply cut instructors’ course loads to dodge coverage. Others are thinking about laying off untenured faculty by the thousands.

Take the University of North Carolina state system.

Faced with $47 million-a-year unfunded ObamaCare liability, the 17-campus system has asked the state for the OK to create its own health program. It says it can’t afford to pay its 8,586 non-permanent workers ObamaCare’s essential benefits package, at $5,400 a pop.

The jobs of graduate and teaching assistants, visiting professors and student employees are on the block. The other option is raising tuition, but President Obama is cracking down on colleges over student debt.

“This is an unfunded mandate that’s coming down on us,” UNC System COO Charlie Perusse complained. No kidding. Belatedly, academia is waking up to the business realities of ObamaCare.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3173453/postsi


49 posted on 06/28/2014 12:46:28 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul Krugman....he speaks when his Democrat masters command him to speak.


50 posted on 06/28/2014 12:48:01 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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