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Article V Promoter Praises Democratic Leadership in Movement
The New American ^ | 28 June 2014 | Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.

Posted on 06/28/2014 12:17:12 PM PDT by VitacoreVision


Constitutional convention advocate Mark Meckler praised the participation of Democrats and others in the movement.

The New American
28 June 2014

How would conservatives — good-hearted, well-meaning, Constitution-loving conservatives who have been persuaded to join the Article V Constitutional Convention camp — react if they knew that some of the leaders of that very movement were not only accepting the participation of liberals in the planning, but praising their contribution?

I suppose we’ll find out soon enough, as soon as Mark Meckler’s latest article begins being bounced around the Twittersphere and Facebook.
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1 posted on 06/28/2014 12:17:12 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

The main target of the liberals in this is to do away with the second amendment. Carry on at your own risk. This will go no where because in the end the red states will tell them to put it where the sun does not shine.


2 posted on 06/28/2014 12:24:11 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no
And Citizens United.

Example:

California seeks constitutional convention over Citizens United
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/California-seeks-constitutional-convention-over-5579322.php

June 26, 2014
3 posted on 06/28/2014 12:27:24 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: VitacoreVision

In my opinion, an Article V convention risks destroying our original constitution, which I consider to be a </>divinely inspired</I> document.


4 posted on 06/28/2014 12:29:56 PM PDT by buckalfa (Charter Member of the Group W Bench)
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To: VitacoreVision
The analogy is irresistible: The Roman Church's Vatican II was a good idea which was hijacked by cynical revisionists. One outcome was the epidemic of homosexuals flooding seminaries and the generation of predator priests which followed. A Constitutional Convention would be hijacked by the Left wing and would mean the total dissolution of the American idea. The Bull of Rights would be gone. Done. Not just the Second Amendment but the whole shebang.
5 posted on 06/28/2014 12:34:44 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: buckalfa
"In my opinion, an Article V convention risks destroying our original constitution, which I consider to be a divinely inspired document."

Was all of it "divinely inspired", or just some of it?

6 posted on 06/28/2014 12:40:37 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: VitacoreVision
Fear mongers!!!! So I guess we should just sit back and let the runaway federal government do what they wish with no repercussions whatsoever. It doesn't matter who gets involved in the state convention process as long as the ball gets rolling. THERE CAN BE NO RUNAWAY STATE CONVENTION! Before you pass judgment on this process please ready everything you can get your hands on about it. You are doing a disservice to all the people that are working so hard to get this process started. It is about reducing the size of the big, bloated federal government. Congress will not fix itself. This Article five convention was written into the constitution by our founding fathers to stop exactly what is going on in Washington today. Please educate yourselves.
7 posted on 06/28/2014 12:43:59 PM PDT by katwoman5779
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To: VitacoreVision
"California seeks constitutional convention over Citizens United"

And what would happen if a convention passed such a proposal?

8 posted on 06/28/2014 12:45:24 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: katwoman5779

Liberals are going to hijack the Constitutional Convention.


9 posted on 06/28/2014 12:46:21 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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"Liberals are going to hijack the Constitutional Convention."

What if they did? What would happen then?

10 posted on 06/28/2014 12:50:38 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: VitacoreVision

I’ve been leery of this Constitutional Convention from the beginning.

The government ignores the Constitution as it’s written now!

What good are new rules going to do?

And now we learn that the left is taking over the movement - like it did with our government, our education system, our media, etc.


11 posted on 06/28/2014 12:56:21 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: buckalfa
"... an Article V convention risks destroying our original constitution, ..."

Note that the product of a constitutional convention is not a new amendment to the Constitution. The product of a constitutional convention is a proposed amendment to the Constitution which the states later choose to ratify or ignore. And if the states choose to ignore the proposed amendment then the constitutional convention that produced it was arguably a waste of time.

In fact, regardless that the delegates to the original Constitutional Convention had signed the final draft, their signatures did not constitute a ratification of the proposed Constitution. The delegates then had to go to their home states and sell their states on the Constitution which the states ultimately ratified.

Timeline of drafting and ratification of the United States Constitution

12 posted on 06/28/2014 12:56:41 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Tzimisce
"What good are new rules going to do?"

What is your alternative? I'd like to see a plan! How's the status quo been working so far?

13 posted on 06/28/2014 1:04:15 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: 5thGenTexan; AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; Art in Idaho; Arthur Wildfire! March; Arthur McGowan; ...

Article V ping.


14 posted on 06/28/2014 1:14:17 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
What is your alternative? I'd like to see a plan! How's the status quo been working so far?

I fear there's only one real solution left.

I'm not in favor of that - I'm just saying.

Just consider: the rules don't apply to liberals or their supporters. Look what happened to Chris McDaniel. He followed the rules and other guy broke all the rules and who's winning there?

Look at Lois Lerner and the IRS. They fixed an election and to date, no one's been punished.

Look at our southern border: immigration laws no longer matter or apply. But the laws giving those people welfare, social security, the privilege of using our schools, etc all still do.

The Ruling Class now thinks it can pick and choose what laws matter and which ones don't - like a neo-aristocracy.

And since those people keep getting elected (look at Chuck Rangel), they might as well be a nobility.
15 posted on 06/28/2014 1:17:46 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: VitacoreVision
Here is my usual pedantic boilerplate to these threads.

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The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicitly forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

18 posted on 06/28/2014 1:25:22 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: VitacoreVision

[ Liberals are going to hijack the Constitutional Convention. ]

Because a Convention of the States to PROPOSE New Amendments (which congress already can do and has done in the past) and a Total Constitutional Convention ie. (Write an entire new constitution) are the exact same Damned thing?????


20 posted on 06/28/2014 1:37:19 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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