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Taliban Mount Major Assault in Afghanistan
New York Times ^ | June 27, 2014 | By AZAM AHMED and TAIMOOR SHAH

Posted on 06/28/2014 1:16:53 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

KABUL, Afghanistan — In one of the most significant coordinated assaults on the government in years, the Taliban have attacked police outposts and government facilities across several districts in northern Helmand Province, sending police and military officials scrambling to shore up defenses and heralding a troubling new chapter as coalition forces prepare to depart.

The attacks have focused on the district of Sangin, historically an insurgent stronghold and one of the deadliest districts in the country for the American and British forces who fought for years to secure it. The Taliban have mounted simultaneous attempts to conquer territory in the neighboring districts of Now Zad, Musa Qala and Kajaki. In the past week, more than 100 members of the Afghan forces and 50 civilians have been killed or wounded in fierce fighting, according to early estimates from local officials.

With a deepening political crisis in Kabul already casting the presidential election and long-term political stability into doubt, the Taliban offensive presents a new worst-case situation for Western officials: an aggressive insurgent push that is seizing territory even before American troops have completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; waronterror

1 posted on 06/28/2014 1:16:53 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Our whole fight was in vain.

A couple of elections later and everything our soldiers fought for is gone.


2 posted on 06/28/2014 1:19:35 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Perhaps Western leaders and policy makers will come to understand that the values and institutions of the West that emanated from the enlightenment are simply not compatible with Islamic culture. There is inherent sustained conflict and violence throughout the Muslim world when Western oriented secularists attempt to govern. It is worse when Americans or other Westerners attempt to “aid” or engage in nation building. They are simply not “just like us”.


3 posted on 06/28/2014 1:23:43 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Tzimisce

Mainly because democrats and the press are so STUPID that they can’t grasp the concept that if you set a fixed date to withdraw, that = a fixed date for the enemy to attack.

They constantly beat on Bush to announce a fixed date, and obviously he would not.

But with the traitors now in charge, this childishly simple principal is being illustrated throughout the Middle East


4 posted on 06/28/2014 1:25:59 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: Tzimisce
....”attacks have focused on the district of Sangin, historically an insurgent stronghold and one of the deadliest districts in the country for the American and British forces who ‘fought for years’ to secure it”......

A vacum will always be filled by the bad guys when the good guys leave in the M.E......which will forever be a war zone no matter who clears it out....it's what Muslims there do....and most of what they only know to do. Until our guys can shoot to kill they will just breed like the maggots they are.

5 posted on 06/28/2014 1:27:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tzimisce

“Our whole fight was in vain. A couple of elections later and everything our soldiers fought for is gone.”

Absolutely heartbreaking. I was mobilized for Desert Storm back in ‘90. Never in my wildest DREAMS could I have imagined the outcome as far as Iraq and Afghanistan goes.

Two years of my life I’ll never get back, but I still HAVE my life. If I were a family member of a soldier who gave his/her life for what had turned out to be a waste of blood and treasure, I’d be camping on the White Hut lawn, screamin’ at the top of my lungs!

Wonder why our side never has a Cindy Sheehan when one is needed? (I know, I know; we don’t deal kindly with useful idiots, but you know what I mean...)

Is this our, ‘Vietnam?’


6 posted on 06/28/2014 1:28:43 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I knew this would happen. They’ve taken one look at Iraq and said ‘time to move’


7 posted on 06/28/2014 1:29:20 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Tzimisce

Our only fight, as presented to the US public, was to get BinLaden.


8 posted on 06/28/2014 1:31:46 PM PDT by grania
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To: DanielRedfoot

....”By the end of the fighting season,(last year) the cowed Afghan Army unit there was mostly ‘unwilling to leave its base to confront the threat’. Late last year, reports of a deal between a local army commander and the Taliban began to surface, driven in part by attrition rates of nearly 50 percent and the near constant threat of death”.....

This is the problem..the Afghan army is unwilling to put their own life on the line to rid their country of the Taliban....same in Iraq. They all know if things get bloody enough other nations will come in and fight for them......then the “infidel” dies for them.


9 posted on 06/28/2014 1:35:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: DanielRedfoot

....”By the end of the fighting season,(last year) the cowed Afghan Army unit there was mostly ‘unwilling to leave its base to confront the threat’. Late last year, reports of a deal between a local army commander and the Taliban began to surface, driven in part by attrition rates of nearly 50 percent and the near constant threat of death”.....

This is the problem..the Afghan army is unwilling to put their own life on the line to rid their country of the Taliban....same in Iraq. They all know if things get bloody enough other nations will come in and fight for them......then the “infidel” dies for them.


10 posted on 06/28/2014 1:35:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: Brad from Tennessee

! wonder what’s now stopping the Chi-Coms from moving on Taiwan? And for North Koreanns to hit South Korea. It’s obvious that the Obama Regime will not defend American allies or interests. Maybe Russia should try for Eastern Europe again too?


11 posted on 06/28/2014 1:37:17 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: StormEye

Well, it looks like Mexico is trying for Arizona


12 posted on 06/28/2014 1:42:05 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Viennacon
Rut Ro, my Nephew the 1st Lt. shipped out from Pendleton yesterday, it will be his first duty in a Combat Zone. Supposedley he is there to shut down / tear down Marine infrastructure in time for the Taliban 2015 surge. Looks like me might be doing some fighting instead.
13 posted on 06/28/2014 1:53:02 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Why don’t we have a Cindy Sheehan?

She was a media construct.

She was found by a left wing outfit looking for a poster girl - I’m not kidding when I say that.

And she looked great in the liberal media.

You notice the minute she started taking herself too seriously she disappeared?

The day she announced she was running against Nancy Pelosi I knew that her 15 minutes were up - and they were.


14 posted on 06/28/2014 2:18:13 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: DAC21

Yet another Clown Prince nobama and his trusted aide kerry foreign policy success!!!!! These wonderful leaders never cease to amaze me.


15 posted on 06/28/2014 2:18:18 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Tzimisce
Our whole fight was in vain.

It was from day one. This headline would have happened regardless of how long we stayed - today, tomorrow, or ten years from now.

16 posted on 06/28/2014 2:30:31 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Soviets live next door. Tried to “subdue” Afghanistan for what 15 years and finally left with their tail between their legs?
So we move in to take advantage of the void and 15 years later we leave with our tails between our legs?
For what have we left our sons souls?
Iraq the same. These crazies have fought for eons and will continue to do so.


17 posted on 06/28/2014 2:33:36 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Another “successful ending” to a war that dear leader can brag about.

What an incredible waste of resources and precious soldiers.

The only way to go to war is to do it the way we did it against Germany and Japan. Unconditional surrender, have our military run the country for a generation while re-educating the whole civilian population to our values. That’s the way you “win” hearts and minds, not through a politically correct, multicultural, compassionate, wussified operation.


18 posted on 06/28/2014 2:36:47 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Joe Boucher

...Take up the White Man’s burden—
The savage wars of peace—
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought...


19 posted on 06/28/2014 2:37:42 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Tzimisce

Oh, I understand that - it’s just that people on the RIGHT SIDE of an issue, don’t tend to speak up or make a public fuss, with a few exceptions.

We foolishly still believe that our VOTE matters and is counted and that we can change things with it...


20 posted on 06/28/2014 2:45:33 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: jjotto

Well sloth is really caught up in “heathen folly.” It’s a despairing, “why bother” attitude.

Evangelists can make a difference. But who’s going to dare to preach the gospel in an Islamic country.


21 posted on 06/28/2014 2:47:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How’d that work out in Mexico? Or among American blacks?


22 posted on 06/28/2014 2:49:27 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

It hasn’t been seriously tried on a widespread basis for a long time. There are spot efforts and they sometimes work. I don’t call the Catholic religification (coined word) of Mexico, evangelization.

Call me a fool for God, but there are better things He has “up His sleeve” if we but ask for them.


23 posted on 06/28/2014 2:52:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Afghanistan is a vast place, and conquering it would be like conquering a herd of cats. It had no neat, universally acknowledged emperor figure like Japan did.

Rooskies tried. Rooskies failed.

Walling Afghanistan off might have worked better than trying to play whack-a-mole in it.


24 posted on 06/28/2014 2:56:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I’ve said it constantly throughout these wars...use bigger bombs and a lot more of them....there wouldn’t even be an “ISIS” if we had taken them out while they were new and moving toward their goals.....nope, we just sit by and watch the world deteriorate......pathetic.


25 posted on 06/28/2014 3:14:02 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: aquila48

“Unconditional surrender,...”

But only AFTER absolute destruction of the nation and it’s warriors. That’s the only way the lesson “takes”.


26 posted on 06/28/2014 3:16:09 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: DAC21

I wish your nephew well.

.


27 posted on 06/28/2014 3:18:17 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

“I wish your nephew well.”

Thank you.


28 posted on 06/28/2014 3:39:57 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Viennacon
I knew this would happen. They’ve taken one look at Iraq and said ‘time to move’

They may have looked all the way back to Vietnam.

29 posted on 06/28/2014 4:08:41 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may an elephant caress you with his toes, or worse)
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To: StormEye
! wonder what’s now stopping the Chi-Coms from moving on Taiwan? And for North Koreanns to hit South Korea

the chi-coms couldn't stand the bad P.R.....they rely on world trade far too much to get involved in such nonsense. The North Koreans would get decimated if they attacked the south....and they know it!!

30 posted on 06/28/2014 4:16:53 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: DoodleDawg
It was from day one. This headline would have happened regardless of how long we stayed - today, tomorrow, or ten years from now.

I don't believe that.

We could make Afghanistan a modern, peaceful Republic.

But to do so we'd have to rape, murder and torture everyone in our way.
31 posted on 06/28/2014 4:24:56 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: TalBlack

“But only AFTER absolute destruction of the nation and it’s warriors. That’s the only way the lesson “takes”.”

I’m not sure what you mean by “the nation and it’s warriors”.

If by “nation” you mean its institutions, and by “warriors” its unrepentant and committed soldiers and leaders, then I agree with you. That’s what was done in Japan and Germany. I believe the Romans did this as well. And the jihadists practice this too.


32 posted on 06/28/2014 4:26:38 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

“I’m not sure what you mean by “the nation and it’s warriors”.”

Japan and Germany circa 1945. You’ve gotta’ make them really really not want anymore war. You’ve got to make them think that the march to war was the absolute worst idea they ever got.


33 posted on 06/29/2014 5:36:46 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

” Japan and Germany circa 1945. You’ve gotta’ make them really really not want anymore war. You’ve got to make them think that the march to war was the absolute worst idea they ever got,”

That was the result of terrifying the civilian population (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden), essentially a scorched earth policy, like the Romans used in Carthage.


34 posted on 06/29/2014 8:12:10 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

“That was the result of terrifying the civilian population (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden), essentially a scorched earth policy, like the Romans used in Carthage.”

Which is why it worked so well. But you also MUST way way more than ‘decimate’ the Warrior population. Sherman KNEW there were Men who would never put down their sword (probably because he’d polled HIMSELF in the matter).


35 posted on 06/29/2014 11:31:28 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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