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Recruits' Ineligibility Tests the Military
WSJ ^ | June 27, 2014 | Mariam Jordan

Posted on 06/28/2014 9:11:18 PM PDT by QT3.14

More than two-thirds of America's youth would fail to qualify for military service because of physical, behavioral or educational shortcomings, posing challenges to building the next generation of soldiers even as the U.S. draws down troops from conflict zones.

The military deems many youngsters ineligible due to obesity, lack of a high-school diploma, felony convictions and prescription-drug use for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. But others are now also running afoul of standards for appearance amid the growing popularity of large-scale tattoos and devices called ear gauges that create large holes in earlobes.

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KEYWORDS: airforce; army; coastguard; marines; military; militaryrecruiting; navy
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1 posted on 06/28/2014 9:11:18 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

I could imagine a draft in this day and age.


2 posted on 06/28/2014 9:13:16 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: headstamp 2

So do I....and so say most all of us..


3 posted on 06/28/2014 9:15:44 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: QT3.14

Pretty sad because the army is notoriously unpicky.


4 posted on 06/28/2014 9:17:26 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: headstamp 2

If the draft is started up again I’d be inclined to help some of the draft dodgers.


5 posted on 06/28/2014 9:18:16 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: QT3.14
... and devices called ear gauges that create large holes in earlobes.

I thought they were shower curtain rings.

6 posted on 06/28/2014 9:18:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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To: QT3.14

Got a young friend who just returned from boot camp after a couple of weeks. Had a freakout moment and could not continue. Sorry, I saw it coming when he signed up.


7 posted on 06/28/2014 9:19:15 PM PDT by lurk
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To: QT3.14

Next thing you know, they will say this is discriminatory against homosexuals.


8 posted on 06/28/2014 9:20:23 PM PDT by dila813
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To: QT3.14

“ear gauges that create large holes in earlobes.”

They are some of the most disgusting things I’ve seen. Right up there with cutting and other self mutilation.


9 posted on 06/28/2014 9:20:24 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: headstamp 2; Cold Heat
If they have a draft, will women claiming were equal demand being subject to the draft?

Imagine the absurdity of a US citizen getting drafted and an illegal gets the vacated job.

10 posted on 06/28/2014 9:22:39 PM PDT by QT3.14 (Tagline space for sale)
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To: QT3.14

Oh come on, you know very well how to relax the standards to let people in...


11 posted on 06/28/2014 9:23:02 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: All

Sir! Reporting for duty!


12 posted on 06/28/2014 9:26:02 PM PDT by QT3.14 (Tagline space for sale)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

No, they’re convenient handles to be used against them if they ever become aggressive to me and mine. an advantage is an advantage.

CC


13 posted on 06/28/2014 9:35:42 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: headstamp 2

I was a Selective Service board member during Desert Storm and on into the 90’s. You don’t want that.


14 posted on 06/28/2014 9:40:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: QT3.14

Had a friend of mine once say, that if you can’t make it a a private in the Army, you can’t make it in life. Pretty true words IMHO.


15 posted on 06/28/2014 9:56:46 PM PDT by mikefive (RLTW)
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To: lurk
Got a young friend who just returned from boot camp after a couple of weeks. Had a freakout moment and could not continue. Sorry, I saw it coming when he signed up.

Similar situation, I told my wife that a young friend of ours would never make it through boot. I think he lasted about two weeks also.

When you've been through boot camp yourself, some people are just plain easy to predict.

Unrelated but it just popped into my mind. Several years ago my wife's brother enlisted, I knew he wouldn't have much of a hard time making it, he was physically and mentally fit. He came home fromm boot and told us that all his comrades called him "old man" - he was 25 years old.

16 posted on 06/28/2014 10:14:02 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (1 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. Psalm 50 v 10)
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To: laplata
If the draft is started up again I’d be inclined to help some of the draft dodgers.

Hey Lap, last time we chose to stay. This time, we head to Canada. I never forgave that dang peanut farmer for that.

17 posted on 06/28/2014 10:14:10 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may you be smacked by the fly swatter of reality)
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To: QT3.14

There are two different criteria being conflated here. First is that youngsters today can’t meet the military’s entry criteria. Second is that youngsters today aren’t fit for military service. I think both are red herrings.

As for youngsters being turned away, a soldier with a neck tattoo can serve in the military, many have. The military can afford to be picky right now, and if they want to waive or change tattoo policy, it can be done in an afternoon. Before we cut and ran from iraq, soldiers with neck tattoos, felonies, and occasionally questionable mental stability were shuffled through basic because warm bodies were needed to fill billets. Many served honorably, a few are still serving, and a small number became problems.

As for those not fit for military service (physically, medically), I know a number of military jobs barely need a pulse to meet the physical demands. Can you be a network admin and not run to the end of the parking lot? Yes. You can fly a drone with little more than two working hands and a clear head. Is the pool of ranger candidates smaller than in 1942?, Yes and no. The physically capable pool is probably smaller, but the mentally capable pool is bigger. Illiteracy wasn’t that much of a barrier to service in prior wars, Sergeant York had less than a year of formal schooling in his life and he did okay. Most kids these days don’t know how to shoot before entering the military, many have never thrown a punch at another person, or slept in a tent, but then again, many servicemembers today can go an entire career without needing to do any of these things.

Long post short, the military has a different set of needs for candidates today than it did ten years ago, and a different set of candidates than it did fifty years ago. I never understood whining to be a martial value, but I do know confronting challenges and overcoming adversity are things we trust the military to do. If they have to work a little harderthan they did in december 1941, that’s what they will have to do.


18 posted on 06/28/2014 10:18:55 PM PDT by jz638
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To: Graybeard58

I left commercial fishing in the Atlantic for Navy Bootcamp. Was the easiest 2 months of my teenage years.


19 posted on 06/28/2014 10:20:48 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: QT3.14

Please tell me that’s a New Guinea native...


20 posted on 06/28/2014 10:21:12 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Mark17

I never forgave that dang peanut farmer for that.


I haven’t ever forgiven him, either.

The US military is no longer being used as it was intended or used legitimately in the past. Now it is basically an instrument to protect special interests.

I heard, and don’t doubt it, that ISIS has been trained by the CIA. The head of the CIA is a muzzie, I think.


21 posted on 06/28/2014 10:22:33 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata
I heard, and don’t doubt it, that ISIS has been trained by the CIA. The head of the CIA is a muzzie, I think.

Well, the CIC is a Muzzie, so why not the head of the CIA.

My son wants to be an Air Force JAG, so I don't know what to think. One of the reasons I stayed in the USAF, is because I thought we might have a civil war in the 70s. It has not happened yet, but I think each day brings it closer.

22 posted on 06/28/2014 10:39:16 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may you be smacked by the fly swatter of realit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was a Selective Service board member during Desert Storm and on into the 90’s. You don’t want that.


Ummm.... Everyone in Desert Storm (pretty much everyone from the 70s on) were volunteers. The “true” draft ended during the 1970s.

We had no “draftees” during Desert Storm.


23 posted on 06/28/2014 10:44:45 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
The “true” draft ended during the 1970s.

"There was one?"

24 posted on 06/28/2014 10:46:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mark17

Best wishes to your son. We need good people in those positions.

One of my brothers retired from the USAF and will start receiving retirement pay in Nov. He told me his last Col. was so politically correct it was sickening. The guy wanted his first star and that was the most important thing for him. The good of the service was not his main concern.


25 posted on 06/28/2014 10:48:11 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Um, we still had draft boards and still do today:

https://www.sss.gov/FSlocal.htm


26 posted on 06/28/2014 11:14:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well good for you! How many draftees served during desert storm?


27 posted on 06/28/2014 11:15:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

The ones who were drafted back in the day and stayed in past their first enlistment. Did you know at the beginning of that war we were getting ready to draft doctors, nurses and other medical specialists and were called off at the last minute? They didn’t go to the newspapers with it, so very few people heard about it. We already had lists to draw from. They’ll bring it back some day, it’s inevitable.


28 posted on 06/28/2014 11:36:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: headstamp 2

Can you imagine what those lobes will look like at age 60 and beyond? (gag) Giant, wobbly skin boogers or loogies. (Not knowing how to spit, though 54, I do not have any idea how to spell the gob-stuff boys seem to hurl out of their mouths.)


29 posted on 06/28/2014 11:37:21 PM PDT by hearthwench (Debbi - Mom, NaNa, and always ornery)
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To: laplata
He told me his last Col. was so politically correct it was sickening. The guy wanted his first star and that was the most important thing for him. The good of the service was not his main concern.

I think the majority (not all) of these high ranking officers are now very politically correct. Thanks Obungler. The rest retire.

30 posted on 06/28/2014 11:50:03 PM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may you be screwed by the fickle finger of fate)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Well good for you! How many draftees served during desert storm?

Zero. Some may have been drafted at the beginning of their career, but but after their obligation ended and they reenlisted voluntarily they were no longer draftees. Within a few years there will no longer be any person serving that started out as a draftee. As it is, anyone still serving that started out as a draftee would be in the Guard or Reserves.

31 posted on 06/29/2014 12:06:19 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Tzimisce

“was”


32 posted on 06/29/2014 12:21:12 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: lurk

Hell i’m 63 and i doubt i would have a problem getting through boot camp. It would be a government paid get in better shape program


33 posted on 06/29/2014 12:40:37 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: headstamp 2

“I could imagine a draft in this day and age.”

I couldn’t see this ever happening; when libs pushed the concept that government couldn’t tell you what to do (in any area), they gave up any possibility of forcing anyone to show up to kill or be killed in some nonsensical war half a world away.

As a father of sons, I’d love to see how they try to draft men but not women in this age of “equality”; I would just tell them my sons “identify as women”.

This country has seen its last draft already. A friend’s son is being discharged because he is too heavy (he gained weight because he couldn’t work out after a car accident); the same friend has a daughter in danger of being cut because she can’t pass some other kind of test. Our military is overstaffed now (as people flock to it as an employer of last resort); whereas ten years ago they were overlooking felonies to send troops to Iraq & Afghanistan, there is simply no role (or funds) for so many people so they can be picky now.


34 posted on 06/29/2014 2:24:22 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: laplata

“He told me his last Col. was so politically correct it was sickening. The guy wanted his first star and that was the most important thing for him. The good of the service was not his main concern.”

For many in the military it is just a job; remember the squealing when people who had been on the payroll for years started getting mobilized after 9/11? Serving their country wasn’t on their agenda.


35 posted on 06/29/2014 2:28:48 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: hearthwench

“Can you imagine what those lobes will look like at age 60 and beyond? (gag) Giant, wobbly skin boogers or loogies.”

It happens much more quickly than that; they have to constantly insert slightly larger ones.


36 posted on 06/29/2014 2:30:16 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: laplata; Mark17

His grandson is the Dem candidate for governor here in GA. I’m starting to have to look at him on TV ads spouting typical Dem inanities. I don’t like it much at all.


37 posted on 06/29/2014 2:34:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: QT3.14
I scored so high on the ASVAB that the Navy badgered me for a year, trying to get me to join their nuclear program.

Went to college instead, and ended up joining the Marine Corps. Go figure. The Marines still have a few standards, but they took me. I actually did have to get a waiver, because I got in a little trouble when I was 15.

38 posted on 06/29/2014 2:41:20 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Shiny!)
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To: kearnyirish2
when libs pushed the concept that government couldn’t tell you what to do (in any area), they gave up any possibility of forcing anyone to show up to kill or be killed in some nonsensical war half a world away.

Kinda blew that all to Hell with the forced purchase of abortion coverage in Obamacare, didn't they? But then, hypocrisy always was their strong suit.

Liberals really have no problem with killing, and they definitely have no problem with telling others what to do, so when they run the government--look out.

39 posted on 06/29/2014 2:53:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: FreedomPoster
GA native here. Just yesterday I said I was thinking about moving from Colorado back to Georgia, because of the governorship here. Now, maybe not so much.

I actually met Jimmy Carter when he was president. I lived in Americus, and Americus High School was 'President Jimmy Carter's Home Representative Band'. We went up to Plains a couple of times, when Sadat and Begin came to visit. Begin liked our 'Fight Song', so we played the damn thing something like 24 times.

40 posted on 06/29/2014 2:56:56 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Shiny!)
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To: QT3.14

All eligibility criteria do is stifle diversity. The armed forces can either strike down the eligibility requirements in the name of diversity, or the rejects can petition a court for relief.


41 posted on 06/29/2014 2:57:06 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Smokin' Joe
Liberals really have no problem with killing, and they definitely have no problem with telling others what to do, so when they run the government--look out.

That needs to be said again.

42 posted on 06/29/2014 2:58:44 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Shiny!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Kinda blew that all to Hell with the forced purchase of abortion coverage in Obamacare, didn’t they? But then, hypocrisy always was their strong suit.”

How is that “forced purchase” working out? I still haven’t met anyone who purchased anything; has anyone paid yet?

“Liberals really have no problem with killing, and they definitely have no problem with telling others what to do, so when they run the government—look out.”

I know they have no morality; that is why they can’t tell anyone to do ANYTHING (they have conceded that option, since it is a defining feature of “liberalism”). They can encourage, but not compel. Conducting meaningless wars is easier with a volunteer military (for both parties); one reason Europe has been so pacifist is because some countries still have service requirements (and are therefore more accountable for how they spend those lives).


43 posted on 06/29/2014 2:59:22 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: real saxophonist

I don’t think Jason has a snowball’s chance in Hell, but thinks are so weird now, who really knows?


44 posted on 06/29/2014 3:03:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Things


45 posted on 06/29/2014 3:04:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: jz638

Yep, they’ve got to be picky enough to “need” those illegals that we’re supposed to get teary-eyed about and give citizenship to because they “serve”.


46 posted on 06/29/2014 3:04:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kearnyirish2
I'd take issue with the "can't tell anyone to do anything" part.

That bunch of liberals in DC is doing a fine job of issuing edicts day and night for people who can't tell anyone to do anything.

As for moral authority, they don't have squat, but that doesn't stop them from pushing rules and regulations up America's collective keester.

July 1 the Obamacare requirement will be dumped on people http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3173302/posts, other cans have been kicked down the road, but not far.

Case in point:

Who started the draft for Vietnam?

Who stopped it?

47 posted on 06/29/2014 3:07:22 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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48 posted on 06/29/2014 3:11:44 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The enemy is at the gate and the writing is on the wall. Islam Delenda Est.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

As I understand it, the draft from WWII had never ended when Vietnam rolled around; if it ended in 1975 then Ford stopped it.

Don’t lose sleep over a draft; IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. There is nothing left to defend, and resistance would be MASSIVE. Look at the demonstrations against our military actions with a volunteer military; how are they ever going to get those young people to shut up and show up?


49 posted on 06/29/2014 3:12:50 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: FreedomPoster
Forgot to add this to my last post - We used to go to Andersonville, about 15 miles east, to have our yearbook pictures taken. There are some really nice historical buildings there, but I bet they don't do that anymore.

My Band Director there was a former Marine, probably the main reason for me joining the Marines.

50 posted on 06/29/2014 3:26:41 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Shiny!)
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