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Military Bans Bibles But Forces Soldiers to Adhere to Islamic Practices During Ramadan
Gateway Pundit ^ | 6/28/2014 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 06/29/2014 2:13:24 AM PDT by markomalley

It’s an Obama world.
bible
The US Air Force kicked Christian Gideon’s volunteers off base in March.
The Bibles were too offensive and violated the separation of church and state rule.

But US military personnel are expected to adhere Islamic practices during Ramadan.
Stars and Stripes reported:

U.S. personnel accustomed to drinking their coffee on the drive to work will have to put that habit on hold for about a month. It’s one of a few lifestyle changes Americans will have to make during the holy month of Ramadan.

Ramadan is the ninth month of the Islamic calendar. Officials expect Ramadan to begin at sunrise on Saturday, depending on when the new moon is sighted. The holy month lasts for approximately 30 days — until about July 28. For Muslims around the world, Ramadan is a month of fasting and devotion to God. Most Muslims fast from dawn to sunset, when families gather for Iftar — the meal that breaks the fast.

For the 8,200 U.S. personnel living here, and those serving throughout the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility — including servicemembers, civilian personnel, contractors and family members — the month may require changing some daily routines.

Businesses and government offices will reduce hours and most restaurants will be closed during daylight hours.

While not required to fast during Ramadan, in Bahrain, Americans can be fined or detained by local authorities for eating, drinking or smoking in public when off-base during daylight hours.

Navy officials are requiring U.S. personnel to dress more conservatively off-base during Ramadan. Although not a requirement by Bahraini authorities, the Navy is demanding that men wear long-sleeved shirts and women wear sleeved blouses that cover their elbows. Also, men must wear long trousers, and women should wear pants or skirts that cover the knees.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: dhimmitude; ramadan; ramadantraining
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1 posted on 06/29/2014 2:13:24 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

A little misleading....they should state right off the bat that this applies to US personnel IN AN Islamic country.

That changes the context quite a bit from what is in the title of the article.


2 posted on 06/29/2014 2:18:26 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: markomalley

I wonder if one of their objectives, is programming a force, to fire on American civilians? Muslims, and Muslim sympathizers will. Who knows for sure?


3 posted on 06/29/2014 2:19:11 AM PDT by Mark17 (Rats and RINOs, who are destroying America, may you be screwed by the fickle finger of fate)
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To: markomalley
I can't show respect anymore for our service people overseas unless they're pulling a trigger

If they don't have the balls to tell the upper cadre to stuff it, and risk whatever may come from the locals ... what kind of 'warrior' ARE they ?

Listen to the youtube footage of our guys fighting .. mf'ing mf'er, you f'ing damned .. (etc) while casings fall into the vehicle.

THAT guy says 'yes sir, I'll be a priss while in town ... ???

No WONDER they ice themselves when they get home.


This is a new brand of genocide ... like Satan that doesn't touch a man, but entices him to sin .... our warriors are never really intentionally put into a hopeless, suicidal position (ala VietNam ... don't get me started ... ), but the psychological mess that's created ....

4 posted on 06/29/2014 2:23:45 AM PDT by knarf (brooklyn bridge)
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To: rottndog

Agreed. You’re in another country, you are subject to their laws - even if you do think they are utterly bizarre. Frankly I’m surprised these kinds of guidelines and restrictions were not already in force.


5 posted on 06/29/2014 2:45:52 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: markomalley

Christian Resolutions to be presented any where a vote can be taken - Resolved - that this is a Christian City, County, State and Nation.


6 posted on 06/29/2014 2:51:25 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The enemy is at the gate and the writing is on the wall. Islam Delenda Est.)
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To: markomalley

the pos, poseur, Liar in chief has not one redeeming value.


7 posted on 06/29/2014 3:12:05 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: rottndog

You claiming that churches on “Islamic” soil are also forced to go against their beliefs?


8 posted on 06/29/2014 3:14:43 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Vanders9; rottndog

Did our soldiers adhere to the third Reich neopagan crap during WWII?
Why not?


9 posted on 06/29/2014 3:43:29 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: markomalley

“Ramadan is a month of fasting and devotion to God.”

CORRECTION:
Ramadan is a month of fasting and devotion to ALLAH.

Yes, there IS a difference.

THIS is DIRECTLY opposed to our Constitution’s “...Freedom OF religion, free excercise thereof...”

Since when can the U.S. government, or ANY U.S. employer FORCE it’s work force to participate in religious practices???


10 posted on 06/29/2014 3:45:26 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: joethedrummer

If I remember correctly, the U.S. Navy always reserved the right to tell us, exactly what we could or could not wear off base in any foreign country. I was in Bahrain in the early 90’s, pretty much the same rules were in force then.
This is hardly late breaking news.


11 posted on 06/29/2014 4:06:24 AM PDT by X Fretensis
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To: rottndog
That changes the context quite a bit from what is in the title of the article.

There you go, ruining a number of rants!

12 posted on 06/29/2014 4:08:08 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: rottndog

I agree. When you are off base in a foreign country, there are some things that are dictated by simple security. In Bahrain you don’t stare at the ladies all in black. It angers the natives. That’s just the way it is.


13 posted on 06/29/2014 4:09:48 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: markomalley

If I ate a pork BBQ sammich in public, with the juices running down my face and all over my hands, would they come within 10 feet of me?

Of course they would probably stone me.


14 posted on 06/29/2014 4:28:19 AM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: rottndog

And it sounds like it’s for the protection of our service men and women from these whackos who think it’s awful to eat in public.


15 posted on 06/29/2014 4:29:01 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: rottndog

It’s more than a little misleading. U.S. forces are not required by our government to do anything other than dress more conservatively.

It’s the policies of Islamic businesses and restaurants and foreign governments that will probably make Americans adapt when off-base.

Yellow journalism.


16 posted on 06/29/2014 4:34:30 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: markomalley; SkyDancer
So let me get this straight... Muslims around the world are killing Christians and Jewish people at will, but we demand our soldiers, in Muslim countries, to adhere to their practices?

The world has gone insane. That's what we get for having a Muslim president.

17 posted on 06/29/2014 4:40:21 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: rottndog; Chode; SgtBob; B4Ranch; nascarnation; All
IT'S STILL BULLSHIT!!!
18 posted on 06/29/2014 4:49:26 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: Northern Yankee
"......but we demand our soldiers, in Muslim countries, to adhere to their practices?"

Good Grief! Display some common sense here!

When I was in Egypt fall of 2011, common sense told me that I needed to wear pants or long skirt to cover legs and long sleeved shirt and when in crowded street in non-tourist area, to cover my blonde hair with a scarf and my blue eyes with sunglasses, and to not look any men in the face or speak to them (shop-keepers were exceptions).

It was NOT because I wanted to submit to their religion, it was simply a common sense move for protection. Think of it a a sort of camouflage so as to not draw attention to myself.

19 posted on 06/29/2014 5:05:33 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Gamecock

don’t forget to let your dog lick your fingers. Muzzis hate canines, which only proves they are mans best friend.


20 posted on 06/29/2014 5:06:54 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: joethedrummer

When I was young, naieve, and stupid I used to think Allah was the same god as Yahweh. Boy was I ever wrong. The fundamental teachings are diametrically opposite. The teachings of Christ are all related to love and truth. The teachings of Mohammed are related to hate and deception. The Koran / Quran Is a perversion of the bible written long afterwards borrowing history from it to give an air of truth to its contents.


21 posted on 06/29/2014 5:12:51 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: x_plus_one

this is a Christian City, County, State and Nation.

No it is not. Bahrain is Islamic big time. They are an ally though.


22 posted on 06/29/2014 6:08:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Darksheare

Did our soldiers adhere to the third Reich neopagan crap during WWII?
Why not?

At the time, we were not permanently stationed in their country. We are guests in Bahrain. I know a lot of Sailors love being stationed there.


23 posted on 06/29/2014 6:09:56 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: jsanders2001

“When I was young, naieve, and stupid I used to think Allah was the same god as Yahweh. Boy was I ever wrong.”

They are both the same Old Testament God; the difference is the interpretations/messengers. As a Christian I have the same Old Testament God as Jews; they just have a different interpretation of what He was saying. Both Jews and Muslims feel bound by dietary restrictions from the Old Testament that Christians don’t abide by. Mohammed simply read the Old Testament centuries later and invented Islam from it.


24 posted on 06/29/2014 6:19:05 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: markomalley

This was true when I was flying out of PSAB in Saudi Arabia in the 90s and early 2000s. We did this while GWB was president as well. In fact, in all my tours to Saudi, I was never allowed to go off the base at all. We could bring Bibles with us, but in theory the Saudis could confiscate them from our luggage. In practice, they never did.


25 posted on 06/29/2014 6:37:30 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: joethedrummer

The military protects the Constitution. It does not practice it.


26 posted on 06/29/2014 6:38:15 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: markomalley

Sounds like discrimination of Christians to me while giving the Islamists a pass.

Have mercy on us, Lord.


27 posted on 06/29/2014 6:38:54 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

Time for the muzzies to learn about that great AMERICAN INDIAN feast from Oklahoma, THE HOG FRY!


28 posted on 06/29/2014 6:50:40 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: markomalley

wait... our servicemen and women are supposed practice various restrictions to follow rama-dama-ding-dong?

guess they gave up any pretense and just started pushing one religion over others

I’d disobey and tell them to bring me up on charges. force them to defend the orders in a military tribunal.

if being a soldier now means you do not live under the basc tenets of the Constitution you’re supposed to be defending, I can’t imagine why a soldier would defend it


29 posted on 06/29/2014 6:51:01 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: mabarker1

Americans need to carry a spray can of BS repellant, that shoots a stream of hog grease about 30-50 feet.

I still have a 50 year old can of ZEP BS REPELLANT from years ago.


30 posted on 06/29/2014 6:54:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Yorlik803

Muzzies hate dogs because a dog can sense the evil in the muzzie.

My dogs sleep on the doorstep to keep the evil ones away.


31 posted on 06/29/2014 6:55:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

LOL!! I LIKE!!!!


32 posted on 06/29/2014 7:03:45 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: kearnyirish2
They are both the same Old Testament God; the difference is the interpretations/messengers.

You might want to deep a little deeper...

The word "allah" was used for other pagan religions predating that pedophile Mohammed use of that word...

Also "Yahweh" means creator, and allah, means "the god"

Big difference in my book...

33 posted on 06/29/2014 7:11:16 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rottndog

I caught that too. Pretty inflammatory headline. The muslime don’t need any help pissing people off.


34 posted on 06/29/2014 7:13:18 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: markomalley

I just can’t picture the CPO club not offering beer or the CPO’s without coffee cups in hand.


35 posted on 06/29/2014 7:28:50 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: markomalley

That Xformation thingy is moving along nicely, huh?


36 posted on 06/29/2014 9:35:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: sten

“if being a soldier now means you do not live under the basc tenets of the Constitution you’re supposed to be defending, I can’t imagine why a soldier would defend it”

Try claiming free speech after making disparaging comments about your commanding officer. Try claiming religious freedom when the military requires you to work on Sundays (or Saturdays). Try claiming you have a right to keep and bear arms in the barracks.

You won’t get far, nor should you. You give up many freedoms in the military in order to best defend the rights of others.


37 posted on 06/29/2014 9:42:28 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: rottndog
"A little misleading....they should state right off the bat that this applies to US personnel IN AN Islamic country."

Meanwhile, solders over here have to take part in gay pride events.

38 posted on 06/29/2014 10:11:23 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: napscoordinator

Nice attempt at a dodge.
Fail.


39 posted on 06/29/2014 11:05:37 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: rottndog

they shouldn’t force this on-base. not when they kick christianity out. seems only christians are punished and forced to adhere to another religion, and that’s’just totally fine with everyone.


40 posted on 06/29/2014 11:33:34 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: markomalley; All

For those of you who haven’t served in the Military, it is part of custom and law under the UCMJ that when serving in a foreign country, you are constrained by the national and local laws wherein you are stationed.

Same is true when serving here in the states...you are subject to all laws of the state and municipalities in which you are serving, both on and off base.

And a little common sense goes a long way...We don’t need or want to be upsetting the locals when we are invited or allowed to be there as part of strategic alliances. When in Rome....


41 posted on 06/29/2014 11:57:45 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Darksheare

US soldiers werent garrisoned in Germany prior to WWII. US embassy staff and nationals in Germany prior to WWII were still subject to the laws of Germany, Nazi party or no.


42 posted on 06/29/2014 12:20:52 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Secret Agent Man; Darksheare

Nobody is forcing this on soldiers when they are on base. These are guidelines when service personnel are going off base amongst the general civilian population. Its just common courtesy.


43 posted on 06/29/2014 12:24:05 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Did we rebuild Nazi Germany afterwards, with the same philosophy?
No, we did not.
And once war was on?
All bets were off.
Your point is actually invalid.
What we SHOULD have done is tell them, “You don’t like the Taliban? Here’s the price, you want us to tolerate your religion, you tolerate our boys. Otherwise, we feed you to the wolves.”


44 posted on 06/29/2014 12:27:19 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Vanders9; Secret Agent Man

And in WWII Germany, nobody forced anyone to conform to Nazi style neopaganism off post.
Why, because it was BS.


45 posted on 06/29/2014 12:34:00 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: kearnyirish2

“When I was young, naieve, and stupid I used to think Allah was the same god as Yahweh. Boy was I ever wrong.”

They are both the same Old Testament God; the difference is the interpretations/messengers. As a Christian I have the same Old Testament God as Jews; they just have a different interpretation of what He was saying. Both Jews and Muslims feel bound by dietary restrictions from the Old Testament that Christians don’t abide by. Mohammed simply read the Old Testament centuries later and invented Islam from it.

My disernment tells me they are not the same god. The differences and messages are far too significant for them to have come from the same source taking misinterpretations into account.


46 posted on 06/29/2014 1:24:36 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

“They are both the same Old Testament God; the difference is the interpretations/messengers”

No they are not.
Allah is capable of lying, the quran says as much.
Allah even boasts about that fact.
Allah speaks abusively against Jews and Christians.


47 posted on 06/29/2014 1:40:48 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Mr Rogers

that’s why I said ‘basic tenets’. not speaking against your superiors is understandable. but being forced to live the religious life of another’s religion is something different


48 posted on 06/29/2014 1:46:23 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: kearnyirish2; jsanders2001; Darksheare
They are both the same Old Testament God;

Nope. Allah was a pagan deinty.

ALLAH – the Moon God

49 posted on 06/29/2014 1:50:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Vanders9

when you can’t have your own religion’s book in country it is far beyond common courtesy.


50 posted on 06/29/2014 1:59:45 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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