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World View: USS Bataan with 1,000 marines to Join Six Other Warships in the Persian Gulf
Breitbart ^ | 6/28/14 | John J. Xenakis

Posted on 06/29/2014 5:34:02 AM PDT by Enlightened1

CNN is reporting that the USS Bataan is being sent to the Persian Gulf with 1,000 marines on board. There is no word of a planned invasion. That will make seven warships there -- the USS Arleigh Burke, the USS Truxton, the USS Gunston Hall, the USS George HW Bush, the USS O'Kane, the USS Philippine Sea, and the USS Mesa Verde -- along with helicopters and warplanes that can be used for an invasion or for an evacuation of US citizens.

There have been US drones flying over Iraq for several days, but now it's been confirmed that the drones are armed with Hellfire missiles to provide air support and force protection in case the 180 or so US military advisors currently in Baghdad come under attack. CNN and Politico

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bataan; iraq; marines; warships
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"USS Bataan with 1,000 marines to join six other warships in the Persian Gulf"

1 posted on 06/29/2014 5:34:02 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

why bunch them together like that, isn’t that kind of stupid


2 posted on 06/29/2014 5:35:36 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Enlightened1

This is not going to turn out well. You need plenty of air support to protect those ships and I don’t see that nearby.


3 posted on 06/29/2014 5:40:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: yldstrk

I’m not following your question?

Do you mean why there are 1000 Marines on a ship? If that is your question, then that is normal. Actually it may be fewer Marines than normal.

If you mean the ships, then they all protect each other. Trust me it’s hard to get close to them for hostile operations. They are well protected by Satellites (to see everything around them), Aircraft, defense weapons on the ship and Subs.


4 posted on 06/29/2014 5:43:01 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: yldstrk
why bunch them together like that, isn’t that kind of stupid

My thoughts, too.

But, then again, a couple of weeks ago I read on FR (and saw the aerial picture) that the Prez had ordered five nuclear carriers to simultaneously dock in VA for some sort of safety review. This concentration has NEVER been allowed since Pearl Harbor, but hey, he's the CIC.

5 posted on 06/29/2014 5:43:30 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Sacajaweau

Trust me... its not as easy as you think. The Navy knows what they are doing.


6 posted on 06/29/2014 5:44:22 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Sacajaweau

The story says the USS George HW Bush, an aircraft carrier, is among the ships.


7 posted on 06/29/2014 5:45:41 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: yldstrk; Sacajaweau

We have had lots of ships in the Gulf before. Hopefully there aren’t too many old Iranian mines on the loose.

With ISIS, there will be no need for air cover, per se.

With ISIS, your biggest threat will be fast-moving suicide boats, IMHO.

And probably should-fired SAM’s when feet dry. Or even feet wet when they take over a few boats. It’s possible, anyways.


8 posted on 06/29/2014 5:48:59 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: libertylover

One thing for sure... All this military in the area is extremely dangerous.


9 posted on 06/29/2014 5:53:08 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: yldstrk
"why bunch them together like that, isn’t that kind of stupid"

What make you think they are bunched together? They are in the theater of operations. Also the troop carriers seem to be well protected by the other combatants in the ships named.

10 posted on 06/29/2014 5:53:53 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: Enlightened1

bump


11 posted on 06/29/2014 5:58:37 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Shiny!)
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To: Enlightened1

Boy O’ boy! The President is gonna be pretty upset when he hears about this on the TV news!


12 posted on 06/29/2014 5:59:13 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: libertylover

- - -it seems to me that I have read about a missile
designed to specifically attack a ship on water fired
from a land based position????These weapons are located in the middle east??? What is the defense against that?


13 posted on 06/29/2014 5:59:53 AM PDT by oldbugleboy
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To: oldbugleboy

Land-based anti-ship missiles have been around since WW2, and most countries have them. There are various defenses, including just shooting them down like an attacking aircraft. They are a threat for sure, but the US Navy hasn’t (until now) been especially vulnerable.


14 posted on 06/29/2014 6:09:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Enlightened1

Those big blue water ships are very vulnerable in the narrow confines of the well fortified shallow Persian Gulf.


15 posted on 06/29/2014 6:26:38 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Enlightened1
"Trust me... its not as easy as you think. The Navy knows what they are doing.


In 2006, a Swedish HSwMs Gotland-class submarine "defeated" a U.S. Navy carrier in an exercise, as it penetrated the American defensive measures, essentially "sinking" the carrier.

16 posted on 06/29/2014 6:38:22 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Enlightened1

A mistake is sure to occur and then WWIII will begin in 3...2...1...


17 posted on 06/29/2014 6:40:15 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: allendale

Okay and how many U.S. Navy ships have been sunk in the last 50 years?


18 posted on 06/29/2014 6:59:00 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: jpsb

I don’t know what the conditions were of this exercise?

Nevertheless, I do know our Carrier Task forces are protected by Subs, Satellites, ship defense weapons (like the Phalanx) aircraft and other ships.


19 posted on 06/29/2014 7:08:20 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

None. However there is a good possibility that that the Israelis will feel compelled to attack Iran’s nuclear infrastructure before the end of Netanyahu’s tenure. willingly or unwillingly there are many scenarios in which the United States would be engaged. The Iranians have purchased state of the art Chinese made shore to ship missiles. The development of these missiles was a strategic priority for China. In event of war with Taiwan (now thankfully unlikely) the Chinese required the means to clear the Taiwan Strait of hostile naval elements. They even managed to obtain American missile guidance systems during the Clinton administration. Those ships have excellent defensive capabilities but it is not clear if they would be effective in such a narrow, shallow location. The Iranians also have asymmetrical offensive capabilities. There are close to ten thousand brave young American sailors alone on the two carriers currently deployed in the Gulf. The fear is the US Navy could face a debacle worse than Pearl Harbor in less than fifteen minutes.


20 posted on 06/29/2014 7:18:54 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Enlightened1
" During its first year in the United States, the Gotland conducted approximately 160 training days at sea, supporting strike groups, individual ships and rescue submarines, as well as participating in testing and development of new equipment. This included acting as an opposing force so that the United States could practice anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities, especially against smaller submarines operating close to the coast. Reportedly, during a Joint Task Force Exercise on 6-16 December 2005 with the USS Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group off the coast of Southern California, the Gotland managed to take several pictures of the Ronald Reagan from close quarters, indicating a "strike" on the aircraft carrier.

The submarine evaded detection so effectively that the United States requested a 12-month extension on its lease, in order to continue performing the joint exercises. In July 2007, the HMS Gotland left San Diego to return to Sweden.

"To put it simply, if naval exercises in the last two decades involving foreign diesel-electric submarines had been actual combat, most if not all, U.S. aircraft carriers would be at the bottom of the ocean: as many as 10 U.S. aircraft carriers have been reported “sunk” in these exercises.

21 posted on 06/29/2014 7:37:38 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Enlightened1
"In tests using surrogates that were both slower and higher than the Mach 2 Soviet SS-N-22 Sunburn missile, it was clear that the Aegis system could not be relied on for an effective defense of itself or aircraft carriers it was escorting."

Both China and Iran now possess that missile.

Moreover, the Sunburn has been supplanted by the significantly faster and even lower-flying SS-N-27 Sizzler, also now in the possession of China and Iran.

The threat to our fleet from advanced weapon systems is very real.

22 posted on 06/29/2014 7:42:02 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Enlightened1
Watch Iran fire off a Sunburn from Iraqi territory into the Bataan and blame it on ISIS. It would make the Beirut Barracks bombing look like a picnic
23 posted on 06/29/2014 7:52:54 AM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: jpsb

Ships in exercises are lost all the time. It’s the military practicing... what happens in “... scenario”.

The Navy has a great track record given all ships that have come in and left.


24 posted on 06/29/2014 7:56:19 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: jpsb

I never said it was not a “real threat”. I just said they are not vulnerable as was being implied.


25 posted on 06/29/2014 7:57:11 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: allendale

“Chinese” and “state of the art used” used in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

The Iranians are not suicidal. Now there maybe some radicals within their government, but I’m talking about the entire country. The Russians and China are working with Iran too.


26 posted on 06/29/2014 8:07:39 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

“Okay and how many U.S. Navy ships have been sunk in the last 50 years?”

Hundreds of ships were sunk just prior tot that. WWII proved that even the most massive of firepower is not enough.


27 posted on 06/29/2014 8:32:39 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad

Yes so the Navy has come a long way since ancient history. Ho

I would say they are close to batting 1000 percent. You can’t get much better than that.


28 posted on 06/29/2014 8:48:50 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1

“I would say they are close to batting 1000 percent. You can’t get much better than that.”

They’ve never been attacked like they were in WWII, so, no, they haven’t batted 1000, they simply haven’t even played such a game since.

While the technology of the Navy is amazing so is the technology of our enemies. Russia could sink every major Navy ship and sub within 30 minutes. 30 minutes. That’s it.


29 posted on 06/29/2014 9:05:12 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: yldstrk

Hey , it worked so well in Beirut before.

Send in unarmed troops, works like a snap everytime.


30 posted on 06/29/2014 9:31:12 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Enlightened1

didn’t know there was a new TOMMY T


31 posted on 06/29/2014 10:00:23 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The carrier story is BS and has been debunked many times.


32 posted on 06/29/2014 10:02:00 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Enlightened1

You no doubt are very confident and feel that our capital ships can easily fend off a barrage of missiles and asymmetrical weapons. However do wonder just what senior naval officers really thought about ordering those big blue water ships into the narrow Gulf. Apparently they must agree with you since there have been no known resignations based on principle. Let’s hope for the sake of all those brave young sailors, you are right.


33 posted on 06/29/2014 10:03:55 AM PDT by allendale
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To: mad_as_he$$
The carrier story is BS and has been debunked many times.

Thank God! And thanks for telling me. I could believe almost anything of this crew.

34 posted on 06/29/2014 3:26:24 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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