Skip to comments.Stand Your Ground explained for the non-lawyer
Posted on 06/29/2014 7:09:10 AM PDT by rktman
Ive heard more than my fair share of ignorant, biased arguments against Stand Your Ground laws in my time, particularly since the Zimmerman case. The has been a particularly useful tool for low information, anti-gun rights activists because it allows them to blend a combination of straw-men and stereotypes into one toxic mash-up. A typical example along these lines would be; Of course you like SYG laws. That way, when a white person is threatened by having too many black faces around they can just gun them down..
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Put that pistol away and take your beating like a man, honkey!
Would be nice to start a rumor and have it go viral that fifty percent of all Americans are armed at all times and that new laws have been put into place for those Americans, to carry, while flying and while in all buildings including government buildings. The signs mean nothing to the fifty percent because they have been made perfectly legal carriers. Would scare off most criminals too.
Yup. SYG is racis’. Typical white privilege thing.
We were taught im the state police academy that an unarmed assilant can still kill you....and if the knock out game has taught us anything is that what I and other troopers.were taught still holds true....enough force to a person’s skull can kill them or permanently impair tbem for the rest of their life....a touchy issue..amd one where those who carry need lots of traini.g and a good lawyer on standby....
I typed tbis on my Driod with the small keys...sorry for the misspellings...
I’d like to point out why, in an SYG situation, having a knife as a complement to a gun doubly affords protection.
Brandishing a gun is tricky, as just doing that represents a threat to someone’s life. The ability to “reach out and touch someone”. A knife, other than a throwing knife, however, has no offensive momentum, so unless you approach someone, or they approach you, by itself it is not a mortal threat.
So gun owners need to be more hesitant in brandishing their gun until they are certain of a threat, or they may break the law. However, a knife can be brandished, “saying” nothing more than “back off”.
Robbers, muggers, and knockout gamers all rely on subterfuge to close the gap with their intended victim. Either by sneaking up behind them, or feigning a non-criminal purpose to get near to them.
And this works against a concealed carry gun, but at the very first inkling of menace, a knife can be drawn, yet still be discreet so as not to cause alarm. Even if rushed, there is no hesitation to slash or stab.
Not that high a number, but around 5% of adult Georgians have a concealed carry permit. I like this. It is a significant number.
this brings to mind a incident that happened in Hattiesburg Ms. about 9 years ago. A man was going into a Mugshots roadhouse to join his daughter for a birthday celebration. When he met his daughter she told him about a large group of african americans who had discussed certain things they would like to fo to her.
Enragedm the father went out and confronted the group. They surrounded him, and he pulled his gun. Someone behind him hit him in the head with a pipe, he went down, and they played the kick the honky game.
Police came, the crowd dispersed, the man was taken to a hospital, where he died the next day.
At several points, I can say I would have done something else, but the situation evolved around him...anyone could have made the same mistakes. The crime was thrown out as self defense, thanks to a ra c ist police chief, and a Mayor name of Johnny Dup ree, who is a drug free version of that famous heroic mayor of DC
I am told H’burg has even more crime now than then. How would one handle such a set of circumstances, Just grin and bear it? A knife would have been worthless. Mace and a gun? if he had gotten a shot or two off, likely all but the most addled would have run. But who knows.
I still don’t understand, and may never understand, how it is that the liberals had a meltdown over stand your ground laws with Trayvon Martin, when the defense of Zimmerman was based on self defense, not the stand your ground laws.
We have had an ongoing national conversation over stand your ground, triggered by the Trayvon Martin case, when that case had nothing to do with stand your ground in the first place.
How is it that liberals were able to use this case to talk about stand your ground laws when the case had nothing to do with stand your ground laws?????
I’m guessin’ that al not so sharpton figured that SYG is racis’ and he could make some money off of it. SYG is firmly in place to be vilified and condemned as a way to let whitey off for popping black folks. Or some liblogic as that.
He made several tactical mistakes that should never be made.
1) He went up against a crowd by himself without backup. Who would be stupid enough to go up against a pack of feral dogs by himself? Don’t do this.
2) He did not keep situational awareness with an eye to defense. You never let a threat get behind you. A fatal mistake.
3) The first bullets to to the enemy that are armed. In this case, the one with the lead pipe, had he seen him.
4) Even with a group, imagine trying to rush someone with a knife whose back is against a wall, or preferably in a doorway. Not easy. And with a knife and a gun, very not easy.
Trayvon didn’t run as these people demand Z should have. Why didn’t T just run into his dad’s house instead of chasing down and attacking Z?
T’s supporters are idiots since they don’t see that.
He made one big strategic error — he should have stayed away from areas where he could encounter large groups of AAs, such as H’burg itself.
I presume the misinformation about stand your ground is both deliberate and malevolent, because the concept is trivial.
“Stand your ground” — the right to stay (stand) where you (your) are, rather than having to run away (give ground).
I’m not a lawyer, and just by the words, I know this is saying that if I had a right to self-defense, I have a right to exercise self-defense WITHOUT REGARD to whether I could have instead retreated.
Simply put, in any situation where I would be justified in using force, it is as if I am in a room with no doors, and therefore had no ability to escape.
Zimmerman didn’t invoke “stand your ground” because first, it doesn’t mean you can follow someone, and second, at the time he was being beaten, he had no ability to flee, and therefore had no reason to invoke the right NOT to flee.
While I am all in favor of avoidance, often “wildings”, flash mobs, and State Fair raiders use speed and momentum to make hasty attacks where there are not usually such bands of criminals, and then leave the area.
This can present the additional problem of a mob using a crowd for cover. But that is an added bonus for a knife, because they will have a divided attention, so you can actually go on the offense, involving yourself against the attackers in other attacks.
If the knockout game teaches us anything, it is that the claim that blacks are worried about whites shooting them for no reason is a fiction. If you are scared to death the white people are just walking around with guns looking for reasons to shoot black people, you are NOT giving them excuses by running up to them to beat them.
The proper course of action is don’t brandish your weapon until you are ready to fire and no warning shots. If you shoot somebody make sure they are dead. And don’t trash talk em to death before you shoot.
Actually, I find it quite informative. As in “ He told me to give him my wallet...”
When the dems were the party of the KKK, they tried to ban gun ownership from Black citizens. They just have switched around the skin colors of their hate in this post segregation period.
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