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UKRAINE: Ukrainian troops captured Russian tank after an attack during Artemivsk
http://www.5.ua/ukrajina/suspilstvo/item/387578-ukrainski-viiskovi-zakhopyly-rosiiskyi-tank-pislia-a ^ | June 28, 2014, 10:46

Posted on 06/29/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

Ukrainian military captured Russian tank after the attack in Artemìvs′kom-Defense

Tank, which captured the Ukrainian military during a terrorist attack on the military part of the Artemivsk – Russian, according to the Defense Ministry.

Specialists of the Department found that the factory numbers of tank t-64 were produced in October 1987 on the Har′kìvs′komu tankovomu plant. For archival data of this combat unit sent to military units on the territory of the RSFSR.

This tank was not the armed forces of Ukraine . Also, military seized a hand-held flame thrower "Šmel′", on which was written "from Russia with love." It also brought from the territory of Russia.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine

1 posted on 06/29/2014 10:59:35 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

In 1987, the Ukraine was still a part of the USSR. Ukraine was left with a huge army and equipment when they became independent...all Russian made.


2 posted on 06/29/2014 11:07:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Not saying that the “article” is true, but you should probably read it before commenting.


3 posted on 06/29/2014 11:26:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Unfortunately, the article at the only link provided is in Cyrillic.


4 posted on 06/29/2014 11:33:57 AM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Strelkov’s update says he doesn’t know who the tank claimed belongs to. It may be the T-64BV his units destroyed a couple of days ago.

That said, the Horlivka group (Besler) also captured a couple of T-64’s last month, so it could be one of those. The three T-64’s from Crimea are all reported to be around Donetsk, but that could also be Besler.


5 posted on 06/29/2014 11:35:07 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: publius911

If you have Chrome it should allow you to translate it into English.


6 posted on 06/29/2014 11:36:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: publius911

That’s why I put the word “article” in quotation marks, the translation suggests that the tank was not in the Ukrainian armed forces.


7 posted on 06/29/2014 11:38:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Good afternoon. Read the article before commenting? And what, break a decade old tradition? Nah... 😊 5.56mm
8 posted on 06/29/2014 11:38:22 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: tcrlaf

Maybe it’s one of the tanks that RT reported swam up the river to get there?


9 posted on 06/29/2014 11:38:49 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“Maybe it’s one of the tanks that RT reported swam up the river to get there?”

LINK?


10 posted on 06/29/2014 11:41:46 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
I read it on FR. It was posted by someone named tcrlaf.
11 posted on 06/29/2014 11:43:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Linky???


12 posted on 06/29/2014 11:45:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
http://www.kreml.ru/.
13 posted on 06/29/2014 11:47:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy (That'll piss you off, comrade.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

As a former tanker, I would like to know how they captured this vehicle, assuming it was fueled, running, ammo’d up, with a mission capable commander & crew.

“Khorosho, bratsii! Da, da, you in the T-64, pull over, seichas!!”


14 posted on 06/29/2014 12:40:05 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970
The crews change sides is the way they've gotten most of their heavy equipment.
15 posted on 06/29/2014 1:16:51 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

A crew defects with their vehicle & that’s a “capture”?

Bozhe moi......


16 posted on 06/29/2014 1:22:52 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

This may help clarify:
Russia Just Significantly Escalated The Crisis In Ukraine
Brett LoGiurato Jun. 13, 2014, 6:58 PM
REUTERS/Alexei Druzhinin/RIA Novosti/Kremlin
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-ukraine-tanks-war-putin-obama-2014-6

The U.S. State Department accused Russia on Friday of sending tanks and other heavy military equipment to separatists in Ukraine, marking a significant escalation in a conflict that had seemed to be simmering.

“Russia will claim these tanks were taken from Ukrainian forces, but no Ukrainian tank units have been operating in that area,” deputy spokesperson Marie Harf said in a statement Friday. “We are confident that these tanks came from Russia.”

The escalation was “unacceptable,” Harf said, warning of further potential “costs” on Russia.

She said Russia had sent convoy of three T-64 tanks, several BM-21 or Grad multiple rocket launchers, and other military vehicles into Ukraine over the past three days. The T-64 tank is no longer used by Russian forces, but they have been kept at a deployment site in southwest Russia and were recently deployed.

“We assess that separatists in eastern Ukraine have acquired heavy weapons and military equipment from Russia, including Russian tanks and multiple rocket launchers,” Harf said.

Until the past few days, the crisis in Ukraine had seemed to be calming down. One week ago, U.S. President Barack Obama had a conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin that left U.S. officials “optimistic” about de-escalation.

A video that made its way online Thursday showed a tank advancing toward Donetsk, the city in Ukraine where pro-Russian separatists have stirred angst and taken over government buildings.

Putin spoke Thursday with newly inaugurated Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, who called to object to the reported advancement of tanks toward the hands of pro-Russian separatists. A spokesman for Poroshenko wrote on his Facebook page that Poroshenko told Putin the escalation was “unacceptable.”

The new developments led U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), the chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to call on Obama to impose new sanctions on Russia.

“In my view, unless Putin is confronted by stronger disincentives, he will not cease support for the insurgents who are occupying more and more Ukrainian territory along the Russian border,” Menendez wrote in a letter to Obama. “He will continue to seek to ensure that the Ukrainian government can’t stabilize the situation or address the pressing needs of the Ukrainian public.”

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-ukraine-tanks-war-putin-obama-2014-6#ixzz363xejcHA


17 posted on 06/29/2014 1:45:10 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: elcid1970
Yeah, well, it's not just to let the treadheads save face, it keeps Kiev in the dark.

Kiev probably lists them as MIA because since Kiev refuses to admit it's a civil war civil war with two organized forces opposing one another, they're never going to go along with exchanging information about prisoners and so on unless that requirement is imposed on them by outsiders. At any rate, being MIA is a good thing from the point of view of those who do change sides.

If the Kiev Coup Kiddies know for sure someone deserted more than likely their families in other parts of Ukraine would be questioned about where their sympathies lie and probably still be suspect no matter how the questioning turned out.

18 posted on 06/29/2014 1:52:48 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: tcrlaf

What you lost your FSB decoder ring?


19 posted on 06/29/2014 2:29:19 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Rashputin

OK, I’ll ignore the term “treadhead”. Mainly because the first thing I learned in the tanks is, never maneuver without the infantry right there with you (Dad was infantry in WWII, I respect the infantry above all others). Tanks cannot survive without infantry with their many additional eyes & antitank weapons.

If the infantry is riding on your tank, filling in the blanks between tanks either on foot or in APCs, you’ve got a chance. The two need each other.

I don’t know whether there have been any classic combined arms shootouts between Ukrainian & Russian forces yet. Are you aware of any?


20 posted on 06/29/2014 2:51:48 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Rashputin

The way things are going, one could probably get a T-64 for a bottle of vodka.


21 posted on 06/29/2014 3:36:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: elcid1970
I haven't heard of any video of such engagements if there have been any, that's for sure.

The main thing I notice consistently is checkpoints with vehicles in simple revetments and infantry in positions around the vehicle or vehicles. The infantry positions and the revetments almost always have plenty of bright white sandbags around them that don't seem to ever get dirty.

Since there don't seem to be alternate positions spread around a vehicle revetment or connecting trenches at least deep enough to crawl along without being exposed, the infantry positions are easy to identify. Probably even with Eyeball MK I in moderate moonlight once your eyes are adjusted to the night.

It's tough to judge what's the norm since some clips say they show regular Army but the troops clearly aren't trained to anywhere near the same level as units identified as regular Army in other clips.

22 posted on 06/29/2014 6:23:29 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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