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Slow bleeding the GOP Establishment
redstate.com ^ | 6/29/14 | streiff

Posted on 06/29/2014 5:10:43 PM PDT by cotton1706

Most of the 2014 primaries are behind us and the GOP establishment is crowing about its victory of conservatives. Lest you think it is unusual for a party establishment to celebrate winning the primary elections in its own party, you have to realize that the GOP establishment has become essentially the same as the Democrats: same goals, just different paymasters.

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Pause and consider that for a moment. The GOP Establishment and the Chamber of Commerce has spent $23 million to vanquish conservatives. That is $23 million that they decided was better spent trashing the people who man their phone banks and do GOTV work than in actually winning elections. In fact, the GOP Establishment is treating these primaries like a general election campaign.

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Erick pointed out a while back that the GOP Establishment and their paymasters have to win every battle in order to survive. We don’t. We only have to survive as an “army in being.” We will pick off incumbents (Cantor and Bennett) and prevent the elevation of establishment cronies (Dewhurst and Crist) and we will bleed them on a hundred battlefields in a war of attrition. The loss to senile adulterer Thad Cochran will be seen in retrospect as the time when the tide began to turn. The GOP establishment had to spend millions of dollars and they had to illegally recruit Democrat voters in order to haul Cochran’s moldering, putrescent near-corpse over the finish line. One has to wonder how many of their donors will pony up money in 2016 for another bloody round of primaries with the presidency in the balance.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections

1 posted on 06/29/2014 5:10:43 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

I hope they enjoy the view.With fewer base voting for them they will win fewer elections. I know they don’t care. But this is not my dad’s or grandpa’s GOP . And I don’t plan on voting for any of their bozos anymore. They left the base, not me leaving them. Adios nimrods of the Nuevo Democrat party known as the Group of Other Progressives( GOP)
Freegards
LEX


2 posted on 06/29/2014 5:14:06 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: cotton1706

Yep, the GOPe thinks the opposition party is their conservative base, not democrats.


3 posted on 06/29/2014 5:16:05 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: cotton1706

The armies separated; and, it is said, Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory, that one other such would utterly undo him/5/. For he had lost a great part of the forces he brought with him, and almost all his particular friends and principal commanders; there were no others there to make recruits, and he found the confederates in Italy backward. On the other hand, as from a fountain continually flowing out of the city, the Roman camp was quickly and plentifully filled up with fresh men, not at all abating in courage for the losses they sustained, but even from their very anger gaining new force and resolution to go on with the war.


4 posted on 06/29/2014 5:19:55 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: cotton1706
cotton1706:".. the GOP establishment has become essentially the same as the Democrats: same goals, just different paymasters. "

Ain't that the truth !!

5 posted on 06/29/2014 5:23:53 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Political Correctness is Tyranny .. with manners ! Charlton Heston)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Group of Other Progressives - GOP.

You got a good one there Lex.

6 posted on 06/29/2014 5:26:03 PM PDT by onona (I’ve pretty much given up on sanity returning.)
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To: cotton1706
The GOP-e clutching and grabbing a loss
from the jaws of vitory
at a time that the country needs a Change from Hope !

7 posted on 06/29/2014 5:26:11 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Political Correctness is Tyranny .. with manners ! Charlton Heston)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

seems like a good tagline


8 posted on 06/29/2014 5:26:32 PM PDT by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The GOPe’s conservative base are their house negros. We’re permitted to send them money and vote for their hand-picked candidates, but never have a voice in anything - that’s being “uppity”. That’s why it’s necessary to send Troll “handlers” here to FreeRepublic every once in a while to browbeat anyone who dares to talk about not voting for McConnell or Thad or whoever will wind up being their 2016 Presidential candidate.


9 posted on 06/29/2014 5:27:02 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: cotton1706

“senile adulterer Thad Cochran”

Yes! Calling it like it is!


10 posted on 06/29/2014 5:27:59 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: cotton1706

Rush has alluded to the GOP-e wondering what to do about the “conservative problem” for years. They’ve always despised us.


11 posted on 06/29/2014 5:31:42 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Tea: A beverage best served cold. With RINO meat.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
But this is not my dad’s or grandpa’s GOP .

I think it is. The only time the GOP was any good was when Reagan was at the top. They've gone back to what they were from Hoover through Ford.

12 posted on 06/29/2014 5:33:43 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Yep. I voted for Ford and ain’t proud of it. In fact, I haven’t been proud of a vote I’ve cast since Reagan in 1984.


13 posted on 06/29/2014 5:36:25 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: cotton1706

The scumbags are worse than the scumbags in charge


14 posted on 06/29/2014 5:40:01 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: cotton1706

Club for growth and other conservative organizations apparently have only one goal.

The defeat of GOP incumbents which is the same goal as the democrats.

For some reason the conservatives do not try to beat democrat incumbents.

Why is that ?

It is because, they can’t win against a democrat incumbent.

Except for Johnson over Feingold in 2010, the conservatives have not beaten any democrat incumbents.


15 posted on 06/29/2014 5:44:08 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: cotton1706

I really don’t think the Cochran-McDaniel fight is over yet.

The primary results were just last Tuesday, just 3 business days ago and already the McDaniel is preparing for a challenge having found thousands of votes that were illegally cast.

Then there is the announcement from the McDaniel campaign that he will run if necessary as a write-in candidate. And if there should be a ‘sore loser’ challenge to his write-in which I don’t think can stick by federal voting rights laws, then there is the suggestion his wife will run.

In the meantime I will continue to smile at the media attempting to paint a picture that the election is over.

Let’s see what tomorrow Monday brings.


16 posted on 06/29/2014 5:47:30 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: staytrue
the conservatives have not beaten any democrat incumbents.

Maybe they should promise more taxpayer handouts to minorities and call their conservative base racists. It sure worked Thad Cockroach.

17 posted on 06/29/2014 5:51:29 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Mygirlsmom
Rush has alluded to the GOP-e wondering what to do about the “conservative problem” for years. They’ve always despised us.

Yes they have. You can imagine how they felt about Reagan and those who tried to follow in his footsteps. They've been systematically purging the party for the past 25 years.

18 posted on 06/29/2014 5:52:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Hostage

Still, not a single senator as uttered a peep against the corrupt tactics in Mississippi. This means.... no one. I am very disappointed.

As for November, there must be punishment meeted, to close open elections. TEXAS, for example. Cornyn gets the treatment, or else Texas primaries will forever corrupted, by the Mississippi template.


19 posted on 06/29/2014 6:20:54 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Mygirlsmom
It's amazing to see how ruthless and dirty the gop-e will fight when they are up against conservatives. They never fight like that against the democrats. That fact is very revealing.
20 posted on 06/29/2014 6:25:36 PM PDT by peeps36 (Save The Tortoise And Kill The People)
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To: cotton1706
.... Like the country .... AND to the advantage of the Fundamental Changers of this country ... the GOP has been conveniently split in two. There are basically two voter bases in this country .... Democrats which garner about 43% of the vote ... and GOP Republicans which also garner around 43% of the vote.

..... At this present time ... the Democrats still stand to garner around 40-43% of the votes in the next general election. The Republican establishment vs Conservatives on the other hand are busy trying to destroy every possible angle of leadership from either side.... they are no longer able to sustain a cohesive presence. If there is the rise of a formidable so called 3rd Party .... the GOP tally of 43% of the vote will be split in any way you wish to calculate.

..... Therefore .... the outcome of the next general election should fall as follows ..... Somewhere around 43% of the tally shall go towards the cohesive team of Democrats .... and a split of the remaining votes will be scattered among what is left of the GOP .... the 3rd Party ... and a semblance of others.

.... with the rise of a new crop of Democrat voters and the split amongst all other votes ..... heck .... it appears ... the GOP has a heckuva lotta work to do to solidify at least a 44% of the base to solidify the survival of America as we know it. And that will take a LOT of TEAMWORK

.... Sadly ... at this present time .... TEAMWORK is the GOP's weakest trait.

21 posted on 06/29/2014 6:42:56 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: COBOL2Java

This right here should win Freeper Award of Year. Excellant summary of GOPe....


22 posted on 06/29/2014 6:52:07 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: staytrue

You keep spouting this crap.

What democrat incumbents have your Establishment nominees beaten??

Certainly not Nelson of Florida, he’s still in office, or Kaine in Virginia, he’s still in office. Not John Tester, he’s still in office. Not Bob Menendes, he’s still in office. Not Bill Manchin, he’s still in office. Not Debbie Stabenow, she’s still in office.

In fact, other than Boozman defeating Lincoln and Thune defeating Daschle, the Establishment hasn’t defeated any incumbents either.

What say you??


23 posted on 06/29/2014 6:59:42 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

ALL conservatives should resign from the Chamber of Commerence


24 posted on 06/29/2014 7:01:03 PM PDT by stockpirate (It is time for "we the people" to take it to the streets and shut the government DOWN.)
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To: cotton1706

Both parties have spent the last century rigging the game against the American people, for the self-proclaimed ruling elite. Here is one strategy for restoring the republic. If you can’t develop a better plan, promote this one:

http://backyardfence.wordpress.com/conservative-action-plan/


25 posted on 06/29/2014 7:03:55 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Yep. I voted for Ford and ain’t proud of it. In fact, I haven’t been proud of a vote I’ve cast since Reagan in 1984.

I worked my heart out for Reagan during the 1976 primary season. I wasn't sure who to vote for in the fall--I even considered Lester Maddox of the American Independent Party, especially because he was advocating a national 70 mph speed limit--it was still 55 mph at that time. I made up my mind to vote for Ford on Election Day.

26 posted on 06/29/2014 7:26:07 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: cotton1706
other than Boozman defeating Lincoln and Thune defeating Daschle, the Establishment hasn’t defeated any incumbents either.

You make a decent point in that IT IS REALLY HARD TO DEFEAT INCUMBENTS.

Which brings us to "WHY THE HELL DOES THE TEAPARTY WANT TO GET RID OF REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS WHEN THE DEMOCRAT INCUMBENTS ARE THE PROBLEM.

By the way, you missed two repubs who defeated democrat incumbents.

In 1984, McConnell ran for the U.S. Senate against two-term Democratic incumbent Walter "Dee" Huddleston. The election race wasn't decided until the last returns came in, and McConnell won by a thin margin—only 5,200 votes out of more than 1.8 million votes cast, just over 0.4%.[10] McConnell was the only Republican Senate challenger to win that year

In 1976 in his first run for public office, he was elected to the United States Senate, defeating Democrat Frank Moss, a three-term incumbent. (Orin Hatch)

27 posted on 06/29/2014 7:27:43 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: cotton1706

For the most part, when teaparty runs for an open seat or against a democrat incumbent, GOPe lines up behind that candidate.

It is only when teaparty goes after a GOPe incumbent do things get testy.

Or is it your belief that when teaparty challenges GOPe incumbents, the GOPe should just give up and hand the nomination to teaparty.


28 posted on 06/29/2014 7:30:05 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: cotton1706

bump for later


29 posted on 06/29/2014 7:34:52 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: cotton1706

Anyone voting for Cochran in the general just condones what the GOPLibs did.

I won’t tell anyone to vote Dem...but there are always Third Party Conservative or write in spots available.


30 posted on 06/29/2014 7:35:44 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Hollywood...Washington DC for pretty people)
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To: cotton1706
Thanks, for the post. Cotton

31 posted on 06/29/2014 7:38:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: RitaOK

I agree that republican senators should voice outrage but it may be too early.

The best I saw was Ted Cruz commenting that incumbents are seeing the anger of their base because the percentages they are winning by are slim.

I wish Ted would say more but until McDaniel proves his case, it’s best to stay neutral. And if McDaniel should run as a write-in I would expect conservative Senators to endorse him just as before.

The worst I heard in reference to Cochran-McDaniel was from Rand Paul who said he’s for “more voting”. What an a**-hat he has turned out to be. More voting? As in democrats voting in a republican primary to choose the more liberal candidate?


32 posted on 06/29/2014 7:38:20 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: staytrue

The Gope should let the Republican voters of each state decide who will be the party nominee come November.


33 posted on 06/29/2014 7:38:52 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham
The Gope should let the Republican voters of each state decide who will be the party nominee come November.

GOPe would stay out if the OUT OF STATE CONSERVATIVE GROUPS STAYED OUT.

FROM THE NY TIMES Officials with the National Republican Senatorial Committee said the party’s leadership remained committed to Mr. Cochran, and there were discussions on Wednesday about how to help him raise money for the runoff.

Less clear were the intentions of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which spent about $500,000 on Mr. Cochran during the primary. Chamber officials said Wednesday they continued to back the senator, but they were deliberating on whether that meant spending additional money on his behalf.

The Club for Growth, which has already put in $2.5 million on Mr. McDaniel’s campaign, released a statement promising to “vigorously pursue this race to its conclusion.”

34 posted on 06/29/2014 7:53:35 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: cotton1706

What worries me is not that they don’t understand what they stand for anymore but that they don’t realize that they are obsolete! The GOP today has no chance of continuing into the future but they don’t know it...


35 posted on 06/29/2014 9:46:49 PM PDT by Deagle (ues)
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To: staytrue

I notice you went all the way back to the 70’s and 80’s. There were also a slew of democrats mowed down in the 1980 election and also 1994, Jim Sasser, etc.

I was addressing your argument that the Tea Party has not defeated any democrat incumbents other than Feingold and my response was that NEITHER HAS THE ESTABLISHMENT, except for John Boozman in AR. We’ve been around since only 2009. You guys have been doing this for literally decades. And what have the results been?

Did Carly Fiorina defeat Boxer? No. Did Pete Hoekstra defeat Stabenow? No. Did Connie Mack defeat Nelson? No. Did George Allen defeat Kaine? No. Did Denny Rehberg defeat Tester? No. Quite the record.

As to this point: WHY THE HELL DOES THE TEAPARTY WANT TO GET RID OF REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS WHEN THE DEMOCRAT INCUMBENTS ARE THE PROBLEM?

Here’s your answer, because incumbent republicans have ALSO been the problem. Arlen Specter voted terribly. Bob Bennett voted terribly. John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Richard Lugar, Orrin Hatch, Lamar Alexander, Thad Cochran, Olympia Snowe, etc. They all vote or voted like crap.

The people have the right and the authority to change their representatives if they feel they are not representing them, and that applies to republicans as well as democrats.

As to your point about whether I think the Establishment should just lay down when a challenge is made...No, these people love power and I fully expect them to fight. And they attend all their fancy fundraisers and build enormous warchests to scare off opponents and if one does arise, they “crush” them.

This is a battle of ideologies. We want to make the American government more conservative. The Establishment just wants more “r’s” So as long as an Arlen Specter type has an “r” next to his name, they’re all for him. We want him removed from power.

Now I know you know all this, but you continue with your phony arguments.


36 posted on 06/30/2014 4:41:46 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

-——Here’s your answer——

The answer is to a selfrighteousist, the question resolves to purity. Any taint is reason for not voting for the challenger even thought the opposition approaches 100% purity of evil.

Self esteem trumps what is best for the country. Rationalization to support self esteem got us Obama


37 posted on 06/30/2014 4:53:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: cotton1706
This is a battle of ideologies. We want to make the American government more conservative. The Establishment just wants more “r’s”

LOL! That's part of what really gets me. Establishmentarians think conservatives are supposed to shut up, fall in line and pull the Republican wagon without any say-so in the direction it's going.

That's not a 'partnership', it's servitude.

38 posted on 06/30/2014 5:25:03 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: cotton1706

After doing their best along with the dems to try to destroy the Tea Party, the republican party to me is kaput.
After 40 years, to hell with em


39 posted on 06/30/2014 5:27:24 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: staytrue

In view of Mr. Cochran’s personal lifestyle and his voting record the GOP should have been actively seeking a candidate more true to the party platform. I am tired and disgusted with the GOP apparatchiks who ignore what is a fine clearly stated platform of ideals and goals when choosing and supporting candidates and incumbents.

If you hire someone for a job and he proceeds to ignore your directions and actually works against your interests it is your right to dismiss him from that job.

In Indiana we had a Senator who won Democrat approval because he voted for their ideas over Republican ones;so we fired him.And then his buddies and he sabotaged the new man’s campaign by non-support of the primary winner in violation of party unity.

As the GOP chose to support a seriously flawed senile seatwarmer over a true conservative I say to them and you:I have had enough of your BS. Go away.


40 posted on 06/30/2014 6:22:10 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: cotton1706

BOTTOM LINE:

Conservatives in 2014 have focused almost exclusively on beating GOP incumbents with little or no effort in open seats or democrat incumbents.

And then you guys expect GOPe to just hand over the incumbent seats without a fight.

NUTS TO YOU.


41 posted on 06/30/2014 6:26:12 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

NEWSFLASH GENIUS!!! We have to nominate our candidates BEFORE we go after the democrat! That’s the order of things. And the best people to nominate are ACTUAL CONSERVATIVES WHO ACTUALLY GO AFTER DEMOCRATS, not nicey, nicey, go along types who will vote with them should they get elected or HAVE voted with them while in office.


42 posted on 06/30/2014 6:39:28 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

NEWSFLASH

YOU CAN GET NOMINATED IN 25 SENATE CONTESTS WHERE THE DEMOCRAT IS THE INCUMBENT OR THERE IS AN OPEN SEAT.


43 posted on 06/30/2014 6:49:14 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Golly gee, thanks for telling me that. Why, I didn’t know!

We have been doing that! And we can walk and chew gum at the same time, nominate the best people where there are democrats seats and open seats, while at the same time, working to deny the nomination to those that have voted poorly or have schemed against conservatives.

What we don’t do is just look at the “r” and say “blindly reelect”

That’s how we get worthless men like John Warner and Richard Lugar who have endorsed DEMOCRATS this year, an issue you NEVER address.


44 posted on 06/30/2014 7:05:42 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

“That’s how we get worthless men like John Warner and Richard Lugar who have endorsed DEMOCRATS this year, an issue you NEVER address.”

regarding Lugar, the new conservative senator from Indiana Richard Mourdock is so much better.

Regarding Warner, the teaparty senator from Virginia who replaced Warner is so much better.

Now a question for you. How about all the conservatives who want to destroy the republican party ?

I say if they want to try, It is a free country.

But if GOPe decides it does not want to be destroyed and fights back, well It is still a free country.


45 posted on 06/30/2014 8:15:18 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Yup, as expected, a non-answer. The republican senators who vote with the democrats, vote like democrats or support democrats are never to be berated. Nothing to see here!

But if conservatives challenge incumbent republicans, we’re accused of “working to prevent a republican majority.” But people like Warner, Lugar, Chafee, Specter, Crist, Murkowski, etc, are completely overlooked (or are given a nice attaboy pat on the back!).

Richard Mourdock was a great candidate. He was felled by snarky reporters, a stupid answer to a question, and a Mike Huckabee endorsed nominee in Missouri.

Do your research! There was no Tea Party in 2008 when Warner ran. His opponent was Jim Gilmore.

And conservatives do not want to “destroy the republican party.” We want to make it more conservative. That means electing conservatives to office and removing moderates or liberals, no matter what party they belong to.


46 posted on 06/30/2014 8:37:41 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: peeps36
It's amazing to see how ruthless and dirty the gop-e will fight when they are up against conservatives. They never fight like that against the democrats. That fact is very revealing.

The GOPe and the Dems are both arms of the permanent power structure. The job of the Dems is to implement socialism. The job of the GOPe is to prevent any real opposition to socialism.

47 posted on 06/30/2014 9:44:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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