Slow bleeding the GOP Establishment

redstate.com ^ | 6/29/14 | streiff

[cotton1706]

Most of the 2014 primaries are behind us and the GOP establishment is crowing about its victory of conservatives. Lest you think it is unusual for a party establishment to celebrate winning the primary elections in its own party, you have to realize that the GOP establishment has become essentially the same as the Democrats: same goals, just different paymasters.

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Pause and consider that for a moment. The GOP Establishment and the Chamber of Commerce has spent $23 million to vanquish conservatives. That is $23 million that they decided was better spent trashing the people who man their phone banks and do GOTV work than in actually winning elections. In fact, the GOP Establishment is treating these primaries like a general election campaign.

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Erick pointed out a while back that the GOP Establishment and their paymasters have to win every battle in order to survive. We don’t. We only have to survive as an “army in being.” We will pick off incumbents (Cantor and Bennett) and prevent the elevation of establishment cronies (Dewhurst and Crist) and we will bleed them on a hundred battlefields in a war of attrition. The loss to senile adulterer Thad Cochran will be seen in retrospect as the time when the tide began to turn. The GOP establishment had to spend millions of dollars and they had to illegally recruit Democrat voters in order to haul Cochran’s moldering, putrescent near-corpse over the finish line. One has to wonder how many of their donors will pony up money in 2016 for another bloody round of primaries with the presidency in the balance.

[R_Kangel]

.... Like the country .... AND to the advantage of the Fundamental Changers of this country ... the GOP has been conveniently split in two. There are basically two voter bases in this country .... Democrats which garner about 43% of the vote ... and GOP Republicans which also garner around 43% of the vote.

..... At this present time ... the Democrats still stand to garner around 40-43% of the votes in the next general election. The Republican establishment vs Conservatives on the other hand are busy trying to destroy every possible angle of leadership from either side.... they are no longer able to sustain a cohesive presence. If there is the rise of a formidable so called 3rd Party .... the GOP tally of 43% of the vote will be split in any way you wish to calculate.

..... Therefore .... the outcome of the next general election should fall as follows ..... Somewhere around 43% of the tally shall go towards the cohesive team of Democrats .... and a split of the remaining votes will be scattered among what is left of the GOP .... the 3rd Party ... and a semblance of others.

.... with the rise of a new crop of Democrat voters and the split amongst all other votes ..... heck .... it appears ... the GOP has a heckuva lotta work to do to solidify at least a 44% of the base to solidify the survival of America as we know it. And that will take a LOT of TEAMWORK

.... Sadly ... at this present time .... TEAMWORK is the GOP's weakest trait.

[Engedi]

This right here should win Freeper Award of Year. Excellant summary of GOPe....

[cotton1706]

You keep spouting this crap.

What democrat incumbents have your Establishment nominees beaten??

Certainly not Nelson of Florida, he’s still in office, or Kaine in Virginia, he’s still in office. Not John Tester, he’s still in office. Not Bob Menendes, he’s still in office. Not Bill Manchin, he’s still in office. Not Debbie Stabenow, she’s still in office.

In fact, other than Boozman defeating Lincoln and Thune defeating Daschle, the Establishment hasn’t defeated any incumbents either.

What say you??

[stockpirate]

ALL conservatives should resign from the Chamber of Commerence

[gspurlock]

Both parties have spent the last century rigging the game against the American people, for the self-proclaimed ruling elite. Here is one strategy for restoring the republic. If you can’t develop a better plan, promote this one:

http://backyardfence.wordpress.com/conservative-action-plan/

[Fiji Hill]

Yep. I voted for Ford and ain’t proud of it. In fact, I haven’t been proud of a vote I’ve cast since Reagan in 1984.

I worked my heart out for Reagan during the 1976 primary season. I wasn't sure who to vote for in the fall--I even considered Lester Maddox of the American Independent Party, especially because he was advocating a national 70 mph speed limit--it was still 55 mph at that time. I made up my mind to vote for Ford on Election Day.

[staytrue]

other than Boozman defeating Lincoln and Thune defeating Daschle, the Establishment hasn’t defeated any incumbents either.

You make a decent point in that IT IS REALLY HARD TO DEFEAT INCUMBENTS.

Which brings us to "WHY THE HELL DOES THE TEAPARTY WANT TO GET RID OF REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS WHEN THE DEMOCRAT INCUMBENTS ARE THE PROBLEM.

By the way, you missed two repubs who defeated democrat incumbents.

In 1984, McConnell ran for the U.S. Senate against two-term Democratic incumbent Walter "Dee" Huddleston. The election race wasn't decided until the last returns came in, and McConnell won by a thin margin—only 5,200 votes out of more than 1.8 million votes cast, just over 0.4%.[10] McConnell was the only Republican Senate challenger to win that year

In 1976 in his first run for public office, he was elected to the United States Senate, defeating Democrat Frank Moss, a three-term incumbent. (Orin Hatch)

[staytrue]

For the most part, when teaparty runs for an open seat or against a democrat incumbent, GOPe lines up behind that candidate.

It is only when teaparty goes after a GOPe incumbent do things get testy.

Or is it your belief that when teaparty challenges GOPe incumbents, the GOPe should just give up and hand the nomination to teaparty.

[Senator_Blutarski]

bump for later

[DisorderOnBorder]

Anyone voting for Cochran in the general just condones what the GOPLibs did.

I won’t tell anyone to vote Dem...but there are always Third Party Conservative or write in spots available.

[skinkinthegrass]

Thanks, for the post. Cotton

[Hostage]

I agree that republican senators should voice outrage but it may be too early.

The best I saw was Ted Cruz commenting that incumbents are seeing the anger of their base because the percentages they are winning by are slim.

I wish Ted would say more but until McDaniel proves his case, it’s best to stay neutral. And if McDaniel should run as a write-in I would expect conservative Senators to endorse him just as before.

The worst I heard in reference to Cochran-McDaniel was from Rand Paul who said he’s for “more voting”. What an a**-hat he has turned out to be. More voting? As in democrats voting in a republican primary to choose the more liberal candidate?

[hoosierham]

The Gope should let the Republican voters of each state decide who will be the party nominee come November.

[staytrue]

The Gope should let the Republican voters of each state decide who will be the party nominee come November.

GOPe would stay out if the OUT OF STATE CONSERVATIVE GROUPS STAYED OUT.

FROM THE NY TIMES Officials with the National Republican Senatorial Committee said the party’s leadership remained committed to Mr. Cochran, and there were discussions on Wednesday about how to help him raise money for the runoff.

Less clear were the intentions of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which spent about $500,000 on Mr. Cochran during the primary. Chamber officials said Wednesday they continued to back the senator, but they were deliberating on whether that meant spending additional money on his behalf.

The Club for Growth, which has already put in $2.5 million on Mr. McDaniel’s campaign, released a statement promising to “vigorously pursue this race to its conclusion.”

[Deagle]

What worries me is not that they don’t understand what they stand for anymore but that they don’t realize that they are obsolete! The GOP today has no chance of continuing into the future but they don’t know it...

[cotton1706]

I notice you went all the way back to the 70’s and 80’s. There were also a slew of democrats mowed down in the 1980 election and also 1994, Jim Sasser, etc.

I was addressing your argument that the Tea Party has not defeated any democrat incumbents other than Feingold and my response was that NEITHER HAS THE ESTABLISHMENT, except for John Boozman in AR. We’ve been around since only 2009. You guys have been doing this for literally decades. And what have the results been?

Did Carly Fiorina defeat Boxer? No. Did Pete Hoekstra defeat Stabenow? No. Did Connie Mack defeat Nelson? No. Did George Allen defeat Kaine? No. Did Denny Rehberg defeat Tester? No. Quite the record.

As to this point: WHY THE HELL DOES THE TEAPARTY WANT TO GET RID OF REPUBLICAN INCUMBENTS WHEN THE DEMOCRAT INCUMBENTS ARE THE PROBLEM?

Here’s your answer, because incumbent republicans have ALSO been the problem. Arlen Specter voted terribly. Bob Bennett voted terribly. John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Richard Lugar, Orrin Hatch, Lamar Alexander, Thad Cochran, Olympia Snowe, etc. They all vote or voted like crap.

The people have the right and the authority to change their representatives if they feel they are not representing them, and that applies to republicans as well as democrats.

As to your point about whether I think the Establishment should just lay down when a challenge is made...No, these people love power and I fully expect them to fight. And they attend all their fancy fundraisers and build enormous warchests to scare off opponents and if one does arise, they “crush” them.

This is a battle of ideologies. We want to make the American government more conservative. The Establishment just wants more “r’s” So as long as an Arlen Specter type has an “r” next to his name, they’re all for him. We want him removed from power.

Now I know you know all this, but you continue with your phony arguments.

[bert]

-——Here’s your answer——

The answer is to a selfrighteousist, the question resolves to purity. Any taint is reason for not voting for the challenger even thought the opposition approaches 100% purity of evil.

Self esteem trumps what is best for the country. Rationalization to support self esteem got us Obama

[MamaTexan]

This is a battle of ideologies. We want to make the American government more conservative. The Establishment just wants more “r’s”

LOL! That's part of what really gets me. Establishmentarians think conservatives are supposed to shut up, fall in line and pull the Republican wagon without any say-so in the direction it's going.

That's not a 'partnership', it's servitude.

[Joe Boucher]

After doing their best along with the dems to try to destroy the Tea Party, the republican party to me is kaput.
After 40 years, to hell with em

[hoosierham]

In view of Mr. Cochran’s personal lifestyle and his voting record the GOP should have been actively seeking a candidate more true to the party platform. I am tired and disgusted with the GOP apparatchiks who ignore what is a fine clearly stated platform of ideals and goals when choosing and supporting candidates and incumbents.

If you hire someone for a job and he proceeds to ignore your directions and actually works against your interests it is your right to dismiss him from that job.

In Indiana we had a Senator who won Democrat approval because he voted for their ideas over Republican ones;so we fired him.And then his buddies and he sabotaged the new man’s campaign by non-support of the primary winner in violation of party unity.

As the GOP chose to support a seriously flawed senile seatwarmer over a true conservative I say to them and you:I have had enough of your BS. Go away.