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Supreme Court Deals Blow to Labor Unions
theblaze.com ^ | 6/30/32014 | unknown

Posted on 06/30/2014 7:53:07 AM PDT by rktman

The Supreme Court says public sector unions can’t collect fees from home health care workers who object to being affiliated with a union.

The justices on Monday said collecting the fees violates the First Amendment rights of workers who are not union members.

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KEYWORDS: biglabor; ruling; scotus; unions
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Another affirmation of freedom. Weird huh? Yes to Hobby Lobby and no to the unions?
1 posted on 06/30/2014 7:53:07 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman
Ginsburg has written a 19 page Dissent, not yet available.
2 posted on 06/30/2014 7:54:03 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: rktman; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

3 posted on 06/30/2014 7:54:59 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: rktman

Yes to Pro-Life Demonstrators
No to Obama’s recess appointments
Yes to Hobby Lobby
No to Unions

I am doing the dance of joy.


4 posted on 06/30/2014 7:55:36 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: rktman

I am surprised by this ruling as I think the unions had a valid point, all the works in a union shop benefit from what the union negotiates, unless non-union people are settling for less. Not that I am that big a fan of unions, but over time, mostly long ago, they had their place.


5 posted on 06/30/2014 7:55:39 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: rktman

It’s a very limited decision that doesn’t affect 99.9% of public employee unions.

Better than nothing.


6 posted on 06/30/2014 7:56:48 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: rktman

Better and better today!


7 posted on 06/30/2014 7:56:49 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (AGW "Scientific method:" Draw your lines first, then plot your points)
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To: rktman

Does this cover ALL public sector unions or just the health care workers?
If so between this and Citizens United the dems must really be pooping their pants right now....


8 posted on 06/30/2014 7:56:58 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: DonaldC

Unions don’t have any place now. They are nothing more than extortion rackets. They don’t really care about the workers. All they want are dues to line their pockets and those of Democrat politicians.


9 posted on 06/30/2014 7:58:59 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: left that other site

Careful now. Let’s not forget the legislative branch (the lyin’ king and his pen and phone) may yet take this issue up.


10 posted on 06/30/2014 7:59:45 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Good. but there’s a long way to go.


11 posted on 06/30/2014 7:59:57 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: DonaldC

But, this was different. These “unions” were based on sham votes and Executive Orders of the governor.

In addition, these “unions” don’t negotiate SHIT for these FORCED members! Most of these in-home, hospice providers are given Federal government mandated fees, so the union does NOT have the authority to negotiate with the governor of a state for Federal hospice fees.

This was a SHAM to increase union dues and membership - PERIOD! It was Democrats helping the unions screw people over so that the Democrats could get some more money!


12 posted on 06/30/2014 8:00:17 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: DonaldC

Compelling someone to pay union dues against their will is theft, and is not consistent with a free society.


13 posted on 06/30/2014 8:01:29 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: rktman

Obama administration was specifically on the losing side on this one too (Solicitor General was an amicus curiae for the public sector unions/state of Illinois).


14 posted on 06/30/2014 8:01:53 AM PDT by tellw
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To: rktman

It may be these decisions that cause him to stage a little “Reichstag” event.


15 posted on 06/30/2014 8:02:03 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: DonaldC

What you’re missing is in this case is that home health care workers aren’t employees of the government.


16 posted on 06/30/2014 8:02:15 AM PDT by jdege
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To: DonaldC

I am surprised by this ruling as I think the unions had a valid point, all the works in a union shop benefit from what the union negotiates, unless non-union people are settling for less. Not that I am that big a fan of unions, but over time, mostly long ago, they had their place.


As I understand it, this was much like the scam in Michigan they were claiming that the relatives who were doing the home healthcare of the patients that were being taken care of at their own home were state employees and were therefore ‘unionizable’ even if the were unwilling to do so.


17 posted on 06/30/2014 8:02:38 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: DonaldC
I am surprised by this ruling as I think the unions had a valid point, all the works in a union shop benefit from what the union negotiates, unless non-union people are settling for less.

The ruling specifically addresses the issue you mention.Here is the ruling

You do understand that the SEIU was forcing people who were acting as personal assistants providing home care to their relatives to pay union dues. These people are essentially private contractors paid by the state of Illinois. What is fair about that?

18 posted on 06/30/2014 8:02:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: KeyLargo
Ginsburg has written a 19 page Dissent, not yet available.

Another dissertation from the blithering idiot on the far left.

19 posted on 06/30/2014 8:04:07 AM PDT by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: DonaldC
I am surprised by this ruling as I think the unions had a valid point, all the works in a union shop benefit from what the union negotiates, unless non-union people are settling for less.

it is the same with the teachers' union in California... a teacher in California does not have to belong to the union, does not have to pay dues... but benefits from the negotiations... what the teacher will not get is representation from the union if he gets into any kind of legal dispute with the administration... i come from a family of teachers in California...

20 posted on 06/30/2014 8:04:23 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: mowowie
Does this cover ALL public sector unions or just the health care workers?

This was a 'worker' that was staying home to care for a loved one and was getting assistance via 'Medicare'. They said since she was getting gov't money, she had to pay union dues, it's the Chicago way ... SCOTUS said no.

21 posted on 06/30/2014 8:04:39 AM PDT by 11th_VA (Decriminalize Tax Evasion)
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To: left that other site
I am doing the dance of joy.

Yes,it's certainly good news.But remember...even the Chicago Cubs put together a 5 game winning streak every couple of seasons.

22 posted on 06/30/2014 8:04:59 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: DonaldC

If I remember consumer law correctly, if a business does work for you without your consent to do it, then you are under no legal obligation to pay them for that work.

I think this applies to the union situation as well.

If your mechanic fixed your A/C when you only went in for an oil change and expected you to pay for it, forget it. That comes out of HIS pocket. If a union decides to represent you without your consent, they don’t get to charge you anyway. They can eat the cost, even if you benefit because you didn’t contract for their services.


23 posted on 06/30/2014 8:05:01 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: KeyLargo

LOL at your picture! That’s great! LOL!


24 posted on 06/30/2014 8:05:42 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: kabar

So the union was just claiming these people as members just because, that there were not legitimate union workers? That does make it different.


25 posted on 06/30/2014 8:05:58 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: rktman

Unions=Democrat Party. *evil grin*


26 posted on 06/30/2014 8:06:35 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: DonaldC

To a degree, I can see your point, however, the principle of “freedom of assembly” automatically includes the freedom to not assemble with people you disagree with. Also, in this case, we had an ill-disguised attempt by SEIU to take over the labor of everyone who has a small health care or child care business. In effect, they could claim every babysitter as a member of their union.


27 posted on 06/30/2014 8:07:01 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: rktman

Two good rulings from the SCOTUS...

Huh.

I hope this doesn’t mean they are going to screw us over on the next gun control case they see.


28 posted on 06/30/2014 8:09:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: DonaldC
I am surprised by this ruling as I think the unions had a valid point, all the works in a union shop benefit from what the union negotiates, unless non-union people are settling for less. Not that I am that big a fan of unions, but over time, mostly long ago, they had their place.

If public union contracts had to be ratified by the people who pay for them (taxpayers) probably very few would ever be put in place.

29 posted on 06/30/2014 8:09:18 AM PDT by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Definitely a great day!


30 posted on 06/30/2014 8:09:30 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I hear you!


31 posted on 06/30/2014 8:10:22 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: DonaldC

This wasn’t about a union shop, it was about a mom that receives a Medicaid check from the State for taking care of her disabled child. SEIU along with the Governor decided it was ok to take money out of her check for union dues.

The left is saying this is about big corporations; can you explain that logic to me? Some of them are saying that she gets the benefit of SEIU fights against management, but my question is, who in this case is the management?


32 posted on 06/30/2014 8:10:23 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: rktman

When I was a young lass I worked for AT&T. Back then AT&T was everything telephones; cell phones were a distant dream.

Anyway, we had a union, the CWA, communication Workers of America. When I was hired you did not have to “join” the union, or pay dues.

Exactly almost the day I started work a new ruling came down, I think it was a state thing. It was what was called, heh, at the time....an AGENCY shop.

You didn’t have to JOIN the union, so went the logic, but you HAD TO PAY DUES!

Well I got an attitude cause if I have to pay dues I for sure was going to JOIN the union.

I did and for the next 15 years I drove the company nuts....as a shop steward you must smile.

I guess the AGENCY shop is no more?

Heh....and trust there’s a lot of folks like me who don’t like the union but get involved cause they HAVE to pay dues.

Almost every teacher I know despises their union but that’s just anecdotal.

This is a major blow to the unions and come on, workers belonging to unions are no more than 10-15% of the population. It’s like these thugs own us.


33 posted on 06/30/2014 8:11:04 AM PDT by Fishtalk (Join me on Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/patricia.fish.5)
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To: DonaldC

The problem is that the Illinois law was just a sham to collect union dues from health care assistants. They were were excluded from group insurance for state employees, pensions for state employees, etc. The payments they received were not negotiated by the union but rather were a sub-section of Medicaid.


34 posted on 06/30/2014 8:13:00 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: DonaldC

I think you may assume too much...that an employee’s interests are served by a union. Also, as a matter of basic fairness...why should anyone be required to pay for something they didn’t ask for and don’t want?


35 posted on 06/30/2014 8:14:13 AM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: rktman

Life is good....


36 posted on 06/30/2014 8:15:38 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why no outrage over IRS targeting? Same reason Pravda didn't make a stink about gulags.FREnterprise)
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To: rktman

Unions expect to be ‘paid off’ by democrat for all that astro turf work they do... Sorry goons... the Supreme Court’s not on the take...


37 posted on 06/30/2014 8:16:50 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why no outrage over IRS targeting? Same reason Pravda didn't make a stink about gulags.FREnterprise)
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To: rktman

Good. Elections matter, folks...The ONLY constitutionalist justices on SCOTUS are there because of REPUBLICAN presidents.

I realize that Rs do MESS UP...but not all the time. DEMONRAT occupants of the Oval Office ALWAYS give us liberal SCOTUS clowns.

Consider: how often does a DEMOCRAT appointed justice provide the “fifth vote” in a decision? I am sure it happens, but I am also sure it is RARE.


38 posted on 06/30/2014 8:17:29 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: left that other site

It may be these decisions that cause him to stage a little “Reichstag” event.


Obama will become more obstinate than ever. We can put nothing past the Evil bastard.


39 posted on 06/30/2014 8:18:21 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Chicago Cubs better watch themselves.

“Cubs” is a diminutive term for the young of Lions and Bears, indicating disrespect for minor children of same, and age discrimination. Its offensive nature is perpetuated by such terms as “cub reporter”, “Just a young cub”, etc, and indicates the relative immaturity and ineptitude of the Chicago Team. It is even possible that the self-fulfilling prophecy of ineptitude is the very reason that the Cubs lose all the time. The very name has become pejorative and indicative of LOSING! It has become a public joke, and Cubs Fans have become symbolic of the sad human tendency to hope and believe in a lie.

I am waiting for the Surge of Awareness on this issue! /sarc


40 posted on 06/30/2014 8:19:41 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Dead Corpse

They did that last week...


41 posted on 06/30/2014 8:21:03 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: laplata

Yes. We must be especially vigilant when a rat is cornered.


42 posted on 06/30/2014 8:21:54 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: rktman

It’s a good day to be a Christian and a conservative. I am going to enjoy this to the fullest.


43 posted on 06/30/2014 8:25:48 AM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: 11th_VA

Thanks for the reply.


44 posted on 06/30/2014 8:25:52 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: immadashell

Sorry, but Ginsburg didn’t write anything but her name on the opinion....she sleeps, I suspect, 14 hours a day with added naps in between....her leftard clerks scribbled together their cumulative rage at religious freedom and had Ruth Buzzi sign it.

Much like Thurgood Marshall near the end of his days....spending his time watching soap operas instead of studying cases.


45 posted on 06/30/2014 8:25:53 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: laplata

Maybe Obama shouldn’t have “dissed” the SCOTUS at that early State of the Union address.


46 posted on 06/30/2014 8:26:25 AM PDT by snowtigger
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To: fatnotlazy

“Unions don’t have any place now. They are nothing more than extortion rackets. They don’t really care about the workers. All they want are dues to line their pockets and those of Democrat politicians.”

As proof, I give you card check.


47 posted on 06/30/2014 8:27:07 AM PDT by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

W e have to pray for the health of Ginsburg for the next two years. I, personally don’t want obungle to select another SC Justice.


48 posted on 06/30/2014 8:30:09 AM PDT by snowtigger
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To: DonaldC

Allow me to present a counter point.

Just as the first amendment’s protection on freedom of religion incorporates freedom from religion (as in one can not be forced to support a religion if they do not wish) the first amendments freedom of assembly also incorporates freedom from assembly.

It is the freedom of assembly clause that protects the People from being forced to assemble (for the purpose of business) and prohibits the government from forcing people to purchase goods and services from a specific vendor. Likewise, and employee is assembling with a business for the purpose of wages. A union interferes with that right if it is a forced membership.


49 posted on 06/30/2014 8:35:23 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: DonaldC

The unions that may have “had their place,” as you say (not that I agree with that fully) were not government employee unions. Govt. employees should NOT be allowed to unionize, and given federal (and state) labor laws, there should be no ultimate need for the unions.

Unions are strictly a fund raising mechanism for the Democratic party.


50 posted on 06/30/2014 8:44:33 AM PDT by 1L
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