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The Morning After
steynonline.com ^ | 6-30-2014 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/30/2014 1:08:09 PM PDT by servo1969

The big news across America today is the final pre-summer decisions of a Supreme Court that has not been altogether on board with the cafeteria constitutionalism of the Obama Administration.

Obamacare Rebuffed By High Court In Contraception Ruling

Up to a point. Hobby Lobby will continue to pay for all its employees' contraception except for a trio of abortifacients - that's to say, "morning-after pills" that dispose of any long-term consequences from the night before. A month's worth of these pills costs nine bucks from Wal-Mart. In the old days, we used to add "or less than a daily paper or a cup of coffee". But you can't buy a paper or a cuppa joe for 30 cents anymore. So a month's supply of these pills for any young lady paying full freight is the cost of one-and-a-half venti lattes at a big-city Starbuck's.

That's what we're arguing about: who's going to pick up the one-and-a-half lattes.

It would, of course, be outrageous to expect the person using the pills to pay for them. So what to do?

The great organizing principle of 21st-century American life is that everything should be fiendishly complicated. If, say, an Italian wishes to take a leak, he strolls six feet across the corridor to the bathroom and unzips. To achieve the same end in America, a Keystone pipeline-long catheter has to be inserted snaking from his underwear out the front door, down the road to his employer's human resources department, on to the chief executive at head office, across town to the micturition management services company, over to the bodily fluids evacuation insurance provider, down the railroad track to the federal bureaucracy in Washington, before winding its way back to his place and the bathroom six feet from where he's sitting.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abortion; hobby; hobbylobbydecision; obamacare; scotus; steyn

1 posted on 06/30/2014 1:08:09 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969
Is anybody reminding people that the Affordable Care Act was passed, originally, with agreement that there would be NO TAXPAYER FUNDING of Abortions (remember that principled Congressman Bart Stupak, the Dem who was supposedly holding out on this point?). Somehow, thanks to the administrative writing of Sebellius & Co. after the fact, this agreement was set aside and abortifacients (sp?) were added to what was covered under ObamaCare — and that's where the Hobby Lobby legal action got started. It's interesting how the ObamaBots so easily manipulate the narrative.
2 posted on 06/30/2014 1:15:22 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: servo1969

So HobbyLobby DOES have to pay for contraception?


3 posted on 06/30/2014 1:18:34 PM PDT by nickcarraway (</)
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To: nickcarraway

Hmmm. at this point it is clear as mud (for me at least) I think it depends on how you interpret Alito’s language.


4 posted on 06/30/2014 1:40:45 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: nickcarraway

Hobby Lobby covers contraceptives and always has. The drugs in question are abortifacients. The woman is assumed to have already conceived. The egg has been fertilized. It’s too late for a contraceptive. But everyone, even the court and the FDA, has decided they are just contraceptives and their use does not constitute an abortion because the egg may not have implanted yet. But i think that’s BS.
Hobby Lobby didn’t want to be forced to help women kill their babies. They only sued over 3 or 4 drugs.


5 posted on 06/30/2014 1:51:13 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Okay, but under this ruling, Hobby Lobby will still be paying for abortifacients, just in a more roundabout way.


6 posted on 06/30/2014 1:52:31 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If it didn’t matter the Left wouldn’t be raising such a stink.


7 posted on 06/30/2014 1:55:40 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

>> NO TAXPAYER FUNDING of Abortions

Scumbags lie. It’s what they do.


8 posted on 06/30/2014 1:56:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: nickcarraway
Okay, but under this ruling, Hobby Lobby will still be paying for abortifacients, just in a more roundabout way.

No. From this post and other you have made today on other threads it appears that you don't understand the difference between contraceptives and abortifacients. Contraceptives prevent conception (fertilization of an egg by a sperm) by preventing ovulation.

Abortifacients do not prevent fertilization, but prevent the fertilized egg which has a unique genetic identity of its own, (unique from both its parents) from inplanting in the uterus and therby preventing pregnancy. The owner's of Hobby Lobby are protestant who have no moral objections to contraceptives, but do object to abortifacients, unlike tonservative catholics who would have moral objections to both contraceptives and abortifacients.

9 posted on 06/30/2014 2:20:06 PM PDT by Pres Raygun (Repent America)
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To: nickcarraway

No, Hobby Lobby doesn’t have to pay for contraception.

Someone has to pay for it or the companies will stop making it. What the government provision is not saying is that the government is the one who has guaranteed the insurance companies a certain level of profitability. So, the insurance company pays the pill company. The government pays the insurance company.

Steyn says the insurance company will raise its rates. It might do that, but they’re already 2 and 3 times higher than previously. And the same with deductibles and co-pays.

Who is REALLY paying for your abortion pills if your deductible is $6000 a year, and you haven’t had a hospitalization to pay for that particular year?


10 posted on 06/30/2014 2:25:30 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Pres Raygun

You don’t understand. I understand the difference between abortifacients and contraceptives. What Steyn’s lawyer said is that health insurance will still give the employees abortifacients, then they will charge that cost back to Hobby Lobby, but that cost won’t be considered to directly be a bill for the abortifacients.


11 posted on 06/30/2014 2:29:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: xzins
I see your point: the patient will be paying for the contraceptives/abortifacients. Except they will be paying a lot more than if they just went out and bought it.

I think Steyn's point is the insurance companies will still make Hobby Lobby pay for it. it just won't be a direct charge.

12 posted on 06/30/2014 2:32:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Pres Raygun

By the way, not all protestants approve of contraceptives. I don’t think any did before 1930.


13 posted on 06/30/2014 2:32:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I understand the difference between abortifacients and contraceptives.

Good.

What Steyn’s lawyer said is that health insurance will still give the employees abortifacients, then they will charge that cost back to Hobby Lobby, but that cost won’t be considered to directly be a bill for the abortifacients.

Which is nonsense. Hobby Lobby can simply specify in its contract with the health insurance provider that under no circumstance will the health insurance pay for an abortifacient. If the health insurance company want to give that coverage to insured women for free that is their business, but I suspect that Hobby Lobby would then take their business elsewhere.

14 posted on 06/30/2014 2:38:39 PM PDT by Pres Raygun (Repent America)
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15 posted on 06/30/2014 2:40:33 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: nickcarraway; Girlene; narses

The government guarantee of the insurer’s profitability under obamacare is the issue here. Where we are on new ground is when the policy is not off of an exchange, but is a continuing policy which the company was already providing. Curiously, many large corporations were grandfathered in and their policies don’t even have the coverage that the government insist that Hobby Lobby must provide. (First, we must recognize that is unequal treatment.)

So, who pays for a loss in a pre-owned policy? Is that, too, guaranteed to an insurance company? I’m thinking that it is, because ObamaCare is dictating what a policy must contain, and it says the policy must contain these morning after pills and IUDs.

If that’s the case, then WE pay through our taxes. Hobby Lobby has an exemption, the insurers have their money, and this entire stupid system has ME paying for that which I think is abhorrent.


16 posted on 06/30/2014 3:11:48 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins; nickcarraway
I don't know about pre-owned policies. You could be right - we are paying for it. As to who pays for the abortifacients for Hobby Lobby, the article says:

So Hobby Lobby's employees will be able to get the same abortifacients via the same insurer, but without Hobby Lobby paying for it. On the other hand, the insurer isn't paying for it, because this arrangement "imposes no net economic burden" on the insurer.

So the morning-after gal isn't paying for the night before, her religious employer isn't paying for it, and their insurance company isn't paying for it. Yet somehow that nine bucks a month gets paid. How? Appellate lawyer Mark Arnold:

A meaningless decision. The less restrictive alternative that the majority settled on is a certification by Hobby Lobby that it opposes contraceptive coverage, after which the insurance company must provide that coverage for free. Meaning that the premium charged to Hobby Lobby will necessarily include the cost of the free contraception. All smoke and mirrors.

17 posted on 06/30/2014 4:50:24 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Girlene

The risk corridor program is one program which makes it possible for an insurer not to lose money under Obamacare.


18 posted on 06/30/2014 5:38:12 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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19 posted on 06/30/2014 5:38:27 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Girlene

Risk corridor explained by WSJ:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/01/22/explaining-risk-corridors-the-next-obamacare-issue/


20 posted on 06/30/2014 5:40:09 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Thanks for the link. The insurers can still lose money, but the govt will pay a big chunk of their losses. This will only last until 2016, then the insurers are on the hook for all the losses.....so...they will raise rates.


21 posted on 06/30/2014 6:51:48 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: servo1969
Hobby Lobby will continue to pay for all its employees' contraception except for a trio of abortifacients - that's to say, "morning-after pills" that dispose of any long-term consequences from the night before. A month's worth of these pills costs nine bucks from Wal-Mart.

Steyn has a bit of confusion here. Regular birth control pills, the kind that cost $9/month at Walmart, are *not* the same as the morning-after pill. As I recall, the morning-after pills cost considerably more than birth control pills and are not intended to be used on a regular basis. Birth control pills are supposed to be taken daily.

22 posted on 06/30/2014 6:51:52 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Girlene

Can you say extension


23 posted on 07/01/2014 8:02:45 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Unfortunately, yes.


24 posted on 07/01/2014 9:04:31 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Girlene

Public uutilities have a guaranteed return. I’m sure they’ll keep something like that for Obama care. I think it’s already in the law...just can’t remember where I read it.


25 posted on 07/01/2014 9:11:12 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Girlene

Public uutilities have a guaranteed return. I’m sure they’ll keep something like that for Obama care. I think it’s already in the law...just can’t remember where I read it.


26 posted on 07/01/2014 9:11:14 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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