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Supreme Court: Yes, (some) corporations can pray--and you'll all pay
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 30, 2014 | by Michael Hiltzik

Posted on 06/30/2014 2:18:49 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

In its decision Monday in the Hobby Lobby case, the conservative Supreme Court majority that upheld corporations' religious objections to birth control spends an inordinate amount of time defending itself from the reasoning and wrath of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's dissent.

Justice Samuel Alito, whose name is on the decision, alludes no fewer than 24 times to the "principal dissent," which Ginsburg wrote for the four-member minority. Plainly, he felt Ginsburg's powerful intellect breathing down his neck as he tried to find a path to upholding the Hobby Lobby parties' attack on women's rights without expanding corporate "personhood" too much.

It will be said that Monday's decision walked a fine line, giving the Hobby Lobby owners what they sought without opening the floodgates to religious objections to a wide range of laws and regulations.

The court has signaled that it's open as never before to claims by private businesses for exemptions from laws that apply to the rest of us, based on religious beliefs that can't be objectively verified. And if they win, we'll pay. Ginsburg's question is apt: What's next?

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barfalert; hiltzik; hobbylobby; hobbylobbydecision; idiot; journalism; journalists; latimes; liberalidiot; michaelhiltzik; scotus
If the LA Times is upset with a SCOTUS decision, liberty prevailed.
1 posted on 06/30/2014 2:18:49 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Plainly, he felt Ginsburg's powerful intellect breathing down his neck

The smell must have been horrible.

2 posted on 06/30/2014 2:20:13 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ginsburg's powerful intellect breathing down his neck

Has "intellect" become another name for halitosis?

3 posted on 06/30/2014 2:20:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Severability?

A Guide to Severability and Obamacare


4 posted on 06/30/2014 2:20:54 PM PDT by Kenny (<p)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Alito wins. Ginsberg loses. It is settled law.


5 posted on 06/30/2014 2:21:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
BARF Alert!

Transvestites can have surgeries on TAXPAYER money.

That is much more OBSCENE THAN THIS.

And then there is the case of the VA buying 1/2 BILLION dollars in SOLAR PANELS while VETERANS due to OBAMA incompetence...

6 posted on 06/30/2014 2:23:17 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No, we don’t want to pay, that is the point!


7 posted on 06/30/2014 2:23:30 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

[ Alito wins. Ginsberg loses. It is settled law. ]

It is only settled law if it comes out in favor of the liberals


8 posted on 06/30/2014 2:24:11 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

9 posted on 06/30/2014 2:25:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Hiltzik is a huge leftist, like practically everyone at the Times. I would discount anything he says on this issue.


10 posted on 06/30/2014 2:26:53 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

For many years our health insurance plans did not include contraception and I don’t ever recall any hardship. With contraceptives now cheap and available everywhere without any stigma why is this such a problem???


11 posted on 06/30/2014 2:28:18 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: GeronL

“Ginsburg’s powerful intellect”

If that “intellect” consists of agreeing with & repeating anything ever written by Eleanor Roosevelt, then it is to laugh.


12 posted on 06/30/2014 2:28:35 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
And if they win, we'll pay,

Actually, if the liberals win...we pay.

Gov't mandated that we must pay for these atrocious items. Liberal always force us to pay.

13 posted on 06/30/2014 2:30:00 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The LA Slimes unhappy?

Color me glad.

With a capital G.

14 posted on 06/30/2014 2:30:28 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: GeronL

That’s where I quit reading, no time for stupidity like that.


15 posted on 06/30/2014 2:31:24 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Wow, liberals really do live in a fantasy world.

Ginsburg’s “powerful intellect”? I’ve been reading her opinions for many years now, and her reasoning could be described many ways... none of which include the terms “powerful intellect”. That’s even before she started sleeping through cases, and even before her court opinions started sounding like she was meandering her way towards some liberal shibboleth like a senile dementia patient shuffling around the retirement home.


16 posted on 06/30/2014 2:32:18 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Ray76

bump


17 posted on 06/30/2014 2:32:36 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BenLurkin

...Has “intellect” become another name for halitosis?...

Snort!


18 posted on 06/30/2014 2:32:52 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The LA Times mis-represented this as a decision against birth control being covered (which would be great). It's an anti-abortion decision.

I can only assume that since the error hasn't been corrected yet across the media that they're referring to the decision as withholding birth control to inflame passions.

Besides that, nobody is telling the affected employees that they can't have abortion-inducing medications. They'll have to pay for it themselves.

The media has become pathetic.

19 posted on 06/30/2014 2:34:54 PM PDT by grania
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“laws that apply to the rest of us, based on religious beliefs that can’t be objectively verified “

Kinda like Global Warming huh, LA times


20 posted on 06/30/2014 2:35:17 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Regardless of today's win for patriots at the Supreme Court, let's not forget the following. Regardless what activist justices want everybody to think about the constitutionality of constitutionally indefensible Obamacare Democratcare, the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for intrastate public healthcare purposes.

In other words, the Hobby Lobby case should never have happened.

21 posted on 06/30/2014 2:35:37 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: GeronL

The woman looks like a senescent chimpanzee.


22 posted on 06/30/2014 2:38:04 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The 1st Amendment of the US prohibits the Congress from making laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

And what did the Congress just do?


23 posted on 06/30/2014 2:38:17 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Deo volente
Oh, Oh, Oh, can I play this game as well?

Ginsburg's question is apt: What's next?

After the individual mandate of Obamacare: WHAT'S NEXT?
24 posted on 06/30/2014 2:38:55 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nothing worse than a Progressive scorned.


25 posted on 06/30/2014 2:43:37 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Surgeon General Warning: Operation of Government Motors vehicles may be hazardous to your health)
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To: DanielRedfoot

Excellent b!tch slap of the LA Slimes.


26 posted on 06/30/2014 2:45:02 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Surgeon General Warning: Operation of Government Motors vehicles may be hazardous to your health)
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To: Kenny
unfortunately, severability wont come up because the birth control mandate was not in the original Obamacare legislation.
27 posted on 06/30/2014 2:45:16 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

the conservative Supreme Court majority that upheld corporations’ religious objections to birth control

Okay you dropped the ball right there and nothing else you say has meaning. You failed in honesty so we can not believe anything else you say.
The objection was NOT to birth control, it was them being forced to pay for it. Any women can still get all the birth control she can swallow. She just must be willing to pay for it herself. So you lose the argument because you resorted to disortion as usual....


28 posted on 06/30/2014 2:46:49 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Supreme Court: Yes, (some) corporations can pray--and you'll all pay

Hiltzik, Hiltzik, Hiltzik...

We are all paying now.
And we (working, net-taxpaying Americans) will all be paying forever, no matter how the chairs on the Obamacare Titanic are rearranged.

29 posted on 06/30/2014 2:46:58 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such stupid should burn.


30 posted on 06/30/2014 2:48:08 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ginsburg's powerful intellect

Have you read her dissent? It's leftist garbage, not respectable jurisprudence. She condemns the majority decision as opening the door to establishment of religion, all the while ignoring the fact that forcing a business to act against its religious principles does IN FACT contravene the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

And the rest of her diatribe is equally fallacious. It's a stunning example of poor reasoning, which I guess is why it's held in such high esteem by the dolts at the LA Tombs.

31 posted on 06/30/2014 2:57:51 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: DanielRedfoot

Well played sir!


32 posted on 06/30/2014 2:58:00 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If the LA Times is upset with a SCOTUS decision, liberty prevailed.

Now THAT should be a tagline!!

33 posted on 06/30/2014 4:40:27 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: GeronL

“intellect”... is that what they call it?


34 posted on 06/30/2014 5:59:42 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

In polite company. Like the vapors.


35 posted on 06/30/2014 6:03:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The LA times isn’t fit to line birdcages.


36 posted on 06/30/2014 7:38:11 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Funny.. if the state told a women.

You must get an abortion, you must be sterilized, you must use birth control.

That would interfere with her right to chose

But the left thinks it can tell the same women..

You must pay for another women abortion, you must pay for another woman's sterilization, you must pay for another women birth control.

37 posted on 06/30/2014 7:58:58 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
She also observes that the majority's answer to allowing business owners to opt out of covering their employees' legitimate health needs is that "the general public can pick up the tab."...Got news for you, Ruth - who do you think is "picking up the tab" for all these rebates/subsidies that are going to reduce premiums in the attempt to make the general public believe they're getting cheap medical insurance - hint: it's the general public......
38 posted on 06/30/2014 9:37:15 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Ginsburg's powerful intellect breathing down his neck as he tried to find a path to upholding the Hobby Lobby parties' attack on women's rights without expanding corporate "personhood" too much.

I wonder if even the left believes their own overheated rhetoric.

Forcing employers to violate their religious faith and pay for something the government could easily provide women itself becomes an 'attack on women'.

And tens of thousands see no problem with this line of reasoning.

39 posted on 07/01/2014 12:00:56 PM PDT by skeeter
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