not saying it's right, but it might have to do with frequency and number... iirc if you sell more than three or maybe five cars in a year you are considered a dealer/need a dealers license the batFAGS prolly have some similar rule
Posted on 06/30/2014 2:28:37 PM PDT by holymoly
Federal agents recently arrested 10 men on charges that they illegally sold firearms from Sadie’s Flea Market, just south of Dothan.
George L. Beck Jr., the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Alabama, confirmed federal agents recently arrested 10 people on various illegal firearms charges in connection to an investigation launched by the federal bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Beck said the investigation started after ATF agents received information that guns were being trafficked and sold at Sadie’s Flea Market. Beck said the investigation showed the market had no criminal involvement.
“They began their investigation, and they used undercover witnesses to make purchases,” Beck said.
Beck confirmed some of the charges filed included the sale of firearms without a license, the sale of firearms to a convicted felon and the sale of a firearm by a convicted felon to another convicted felon.
Beck said federal agents seized more than 200 firearms, including rifles, shotguns and pistols, as part of the investigation. He also said agents seized more than 500 rounds of ammunition.
Federal court records show some of the offenses date back to October 2013 and others occurred as recently as March.
“We’re not targeting guns or people’s right to bear arms, but we’re trying to protect it,” Beck said. “It’s so that law-abiding citizens can own guns.”
Beck said there are several reasons why investigations into the illegal sale of firearms are important.
“It’s important because we have a Second Amendment that guarantees everybody the right to bear arms, but Congress has imposed certain rules that need to be followed in order to protect our Second Amendment right to bear arms,” Beck said. “One of those rules is a person is prohibited from knowingly selling a gun to a felon. That rule is important to protect the citizens because we don’t want guns to get into the hands of those who have committed serious crimes.”
Beck said another rule set by Congress included if someone chose to deal in firearms, or sell firearms for profit, then they’re required to be licensed.
“Don’t sell a gun to a known felon, and second don’t engage in the business of selling guns unless you’re a registered dealer,” Beck said. “Undercover agents found both of those rules to have been violated and that’s what brought these charges.”
But Beck also said the “gun act also prohibits someone who is not a dealer from selling a gun to someone who is from out of state.”
“At least one of the defendants was also a convicted felon, which means he should not even have possessed a firearm,” Beck said.
Beck said the prosecution of the violation of federal firearms laws was part of Project Safe Neighborhood Task Force.
“It’s a combination of city, county, state and federal law enforcement dedicated to go after the most violent criminal,” Beck said. “The felon in possession laws is part of that effort.”
The following was released by the U.S. Attorney Office in regard to the 10 people arrested and their charges:
» Richard Allen Cohen, 65, of Graceville, Florida, charged with sale of a firearm to a convicted felon
» Robert Arthur Chudzik III, 27, of Headland, charged with sale of a firearm to a convicted felon
» William Dean, 84, of Whigham, Georgia, charged with sale of a firearm to a convicted felon
» Charles T. Grimes, 56, of Opp, charged with sale of a firearm to a convicted felon, dealing firearms without a license, conspiracy and aiding and abetting
» Thomas P. Knowles, 47, of Chancellor, charged with sale of a firearm to a convicted felon, conspiracy and aiding and abetting
» Marvin T. Jones, 70, of Dothan, charged with the sale of a firearm to a convicted felon, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and dealing in firearms without a license
» David R. Loftin, 64, of LaGrange, Georgia, charged with the sale of a firearm to a convicted felon and dealing in firearms without a license
» Ronald D. Sloan, 64, of Cottondale, Florida, charged with the sale of a firearm to a convicted felon
» Charles P. Sly, 75, of Slocomb, charged with the sale of a firearm to a convicted felon, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and dealing in firearms without a license
» Brent E. Underwood, 60, of Coffee Springs, charged with the sale of a firearm to a convicted felon.
not saying it's right, but it might have to do with frequency and number... iirc if you sell more than three or maybe five cars in a year you are considered a dealer/need a dealers license the batFAGS prolly have some similar rule
It’s all about arrest numbers and control of the sheeple. Much easier to arrest older rural Floridians than gang members, illegal immigrant felons and less investigative paperwork than big financial fraudsters. Occasional private sales of firearms are legal. I suspect the sales to felons & to of staters were buyers sent there by the cops to gin up the arrests.
This does not pass the stink test.
How did so many individuals find convicted felons to sell to?
Did the feds set a convicted felon up in the business of buying guns to entrap individuals selling personal firearms?
They were rouge arms of the Bush Administration too but no one cared. They were hitting Tennessee Flea Markets in his terms and USDA's were eager to teach the gangster grandpas a lesson about da law and prison system.
When/if I get to see 75 years of age and have no assets to seize and can’t fund my meds, I’m going to start selling firearms to undercover agents for the free housing and medicals.
““At least one of the defendants was also a convicted felon, which means he should not even have possessed a firearm,” Beck said.
Well he was tring to get rid of it. “
And that is one of my buddy’s problems. He inherited some wonderful skeet and trap guns from his father. Kreighoff 4 barrel skeet set. Dockwiller stock, Koloch(sp) engraved. Tons of gold, pheasants rising, filigree, etc.. He has them hidden, but would like to sell them. He has a felony conviction, no jail time, for pot 40 years ago. What should he do? Give them to me to sell? Would that be legal? Or should he have a “boating accident?”
You can sell firearms ... but don’t make a “business” out of it, unless you’re registered/licensed to do so.
Selling your own stuff is okay, but if you do “buy/sell” - “buy/sell” - “buy/sell” and making money at that process, then you’re “in business”.
The second thing was selling firearms to felons.
You want to stay away from your buddy’s problem ... :-) ...
I suspect that this bust was done “not in good faith”. That is, they know that the charges wouldn’t stand up in court, but they are rated on “arrests” not “convictions”.
If a prosecutor is in on the deal, he might threaten them with severe sentences unless they plea to lesser charges, figuring on railroading them.
And worse of all, if they have a judge in on the scam, he will ignore that the busts were corrupt, and that they are being railroaded, and convict them anyway.
I’d do it for a friend. One at a time. Those are too nice to keep hidden.
“Those are too nice to keep hidden.”
Yes they are! The Kreighoff is incredible. The best craftsmen at every level. His SKB Model 800 is a wonderful Trap gun. Love to own it! But he has no clue what to do! His infraction? He introduced Dave to Mike 40 years ago. That’s all he did. Dave was a narc. He made no money, just introduced two guys. Heavy price to pay, eh?
There are way too many holes in this.
In the list of people being charged, every single one includes selling a firearm to a convicted felon. However, no one is charged with weapons possession as a convicted felon. So who’s the felon that they sold to and why hasn’t he been charged? Can the BATFE prove that they knew he/she was a convicted felon before selling the firearm? If they can, how? If the convicted felon was a plant placed there by the BATFE, then the defense’s case has already been made: The BATFE was setting them up, which is illegal! One more thing to add to the list of charges against that rogue agency.
They also accuse them of selling weapons for profit without a license. However, that’s also a tricky one. To prove that, they need to prove that these people were intentionally buying guns for the purpose of selling them at a higher price. If they bought and sold the guns at around their market value, then they were not selling them for profit. If they bought them for themselves, decided they didn’t want to keep them, and then sold them, then they were not trying to profit off it. If a BATFE agent sold a gun to one of them at a steep discount, and then another BATFE agent offered to buy it from him at the market value, then the case could again be made that the BATFE agents were setting them up. And again, that’s another one to add to the BATFE’s rap sheet.
I’m very curious to see how this plays out. Last time the BATFE pulled one of these stunts, it backfired in their face like nobody’s business when a newspaper (Milwaukee, I think) did an expose on their criminal-manufacturing enterprise.
*Correction: Two of them were convicted felons. Still, how can the BATFE prove that they knew the other was a convicted felon, or that any of the others knew they were convicted felons?
That’s the problem when Morons are given powers to write {cough cough make up} gun laws. Violent felon? Ok yea they may have a point there but only for so long. Person would have a history of doing serious bodily harm or using a firearm to commit a robbery etc. By that too I don’t mean simple assault either. But non violent felonies? There is no logical reason to deny firearm ownership to someone after their time or probation is up.
“It’s important because we have a Second Amendment that guarantees everybody the right to bear arms, but Congress has imposed certain rules that need to be followed in order to protect our Second Amendment right to bear arms,”
????
Um, isn’t that “infringement”?
Too heavy a price to pay. Has he tried to get the conviction erased? I’d talk to a lawyer about getting firearms rights restored.
Hey, they’ll pay for dang near everything these days.
Organ transplants for death row convicts next?
Chinese imports, but Hey.
He should get an attorney and get the felony expunged from his record.
26 U.S. Code § 5845 (a) Firearm The term “firearm” means
(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);
(6) a machinegun;
(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and
(8) a destructive device. The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the
date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector’s item and is not likely to be used as a weapon. (a) Firearm
It's damned tough for the common man to claim and KEEP his rights the way things are in our country today... It cost a LOT of money to be free... The government owns all the courts, the lawyers and the money...
I remember watching Randy Weaver setting before Arlen Specter (spit!) and Specter saying "See, you thought you would never receive justice...now look at all the justice your getting..!" I think they gave him a million bucks to pay for the family he lost... Just look how far Randy had to go to receive even a SMIDGIN of justice..
What justice did Randy receive? Is the sniper that murdered his wife and kids in jail.?? How about the federal officers that tried to entrap and enslave him in the beginning of his ordeal..? I think not..!
If your not rich...your not free...your just ONE trip to the courthouse from servitude...
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