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The Hobby Lobby decision isnít narrow
MSNBC ^ | June 30, 2014 | Irin Carmon

Posted on 06/30/2014 10:08:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby is being called narrow by some analysts, but that’s true only in that Hobby Lobby got everything it wanted and nothing more. In her blistering dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg correctly called it “a decision of startling breadth.”

The question before the Court was twofold: Do corporations enjoy the same protections for religious liberty as individuals do? And if so, does providing contraceptive coverage in an employee health plan – as required under the Affordable Care Act – violate that liberty?

Justice Samuel Alito, writing for all of the Republican-appointed justices, answered “yes” to both questions.

Giving for-profit corporations exemption from the law, he said, “protects the religious liberty of the humans who own and control them.” He said “any suggestion that for-profit corporations are incapable of exercising religion because their purpose is simply to make money flies in the face of modern corporate law.”

That religious exercise was being burdened by employee birth control coverage, Alito said – especially when the government could just provide birth control directly to women, or require insurers to provide it directly to employees.

The majority brought no such passion to considering the real-life impact on employees – in this case, women.

That was where Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg stepped in, furiously. Joined in full by Justice Sonia Sotomayor and in part by Justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan, Ginsburg pointed out that the ruling was radical because “exemptions had never been granted to any entity operating in ‘the commercial, profit-making world.’”(continued)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 35pagesoftripe; abortion; alito; contraception; contraceptives; dnctalkingpoints; hobbylobby; pravdamedia; ruthbaderginsburg; ruthginsberg; scotus; supremecourt
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You should see that comments over there!
1 posted on 06/30/2014 10:08:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A bit miffed, are they?


2 posted on 06/30/2014 10:13:02 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The SCOTUS Obama”care” vote was the one of startling breadth, Ms. Buzzi.


3 posted on 06/30/2014 10:16:22 PM PDT by fullchroma (iCitizen)
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To: Army Air Corps

They are explosively angry. You’d think it was Bush v. Gore again. Abortion is the most important sacrament of the Democratic Party.


4 posted on 06/30/2014 10:16:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They worship Molech whether they realise it or not. Their false got demands ferver.


5 posted on 06/30/2014 10:18:38 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Those fools are going crazy. No logic, all mushy feelings crap.


6 posted on 06/30/2014 10:20:56 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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>> In her blistering dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg correctly called it “a decision of startling breadth.”

Boohoo...


7 posted on 06/30/2014 10:23:28 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That odious slug Ginsburg even admitted that the point of abortion was “to get rid of people that we do not want to have too many of”. In other words she let slip that abortion was all about Eugenics. That is the true reason why they protect abortion so much because to them abortion is just a clever method to get people to consent to population control. There is no such thing as “a right” to abortion [ killing of the unborn ] which is just a fabricated talking point attempting to class up the brutal killing of PEOPLE! The pro Death side always like to sidestep that important point.


8 posted on 06/30/2014 10:24:23 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That odious slug Ginsburg even admitted that the point of abortion was “to get rid of people that we do not want to have too many of”. In other words she let slip that abortion was all about Eugenics. That is the true reason why they protect abortion so much because to them abortion is just a clever method to get people to consent to population control. There is no such thing as “a right” to abortion [ killing of the unborn ] which is just a fabricated talking point attempting to class up the brutal killing of PEOPLE! The pro Death side always like to sidestep that important point.


9 posted on 06/30/2014 10:24:27 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It was smaller than narrow.


10 posted on 06/30/2014 10:25:37 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Republican1795.

11 posted on 06/30/2014 10:27:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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I hope this protects the Little Sisters, and all the Christian hospitals who would rather close their doors than pay for abortion and contraceptives.

At $9 per month the pill is affordable, a fraction of what a person pays for cellphone per month. Pay for the pill yourself.


12 posted on 06/30/2014 10:29:14 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
In CO, Mark Udall's campaign is running on abortion and abortion only. He thinks that is a winning issue. He hasn't done anything in CO except rubber stamping Osama's agenda. Outside groups are accusing his opponent's view as "too extreme for CO." People wouldn't vote for a Mormon President, but will for this Mormon.
13 posted on 06/30/2014 10:29:46 PM PDT by DISCO
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To: laplata
I read a few and there are no sane posts. If anybody thinks for one sec that these people in full
socialist mode will make a better America they are delusional. Those people are extremely dangerous.
The only thing keeping them harnessed from killing Christians and political opposition is the 2nd Amendment.
14 posted on 06/30/2014 10:30:26 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Republican1795.; All

Contraceptive coverage is primarily to prevent the pregnancies that someone might want to abort, so why isn’t it a good thing? Also just wait until some Muslim owned companies don’t want to do or allow something that their employees feel is their right.


15 posted on 06/30/2014 10:30:52 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ginsburg is wrong. Kennedy even went to the trouble of addressing her irresponsible exaggerations in his own opinion.


16 posted on 06/30/2014 10:32:52 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And if so, does providing contraceptive coverage in an employee health plan – as required under the Affordable Care Act

Notice the sleight of hand they've been using in this whole thing? It's not the contraceptive coverage that Hobby Lobby was questioning, it was the ABORTION coverage. But abortion doesn't poll well for them so they have to drag the argument over to something that does poll well -- contraception.

17 posted on 06/30/2014 10:35:41 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's a narrow decision much like many other decisions by the Roberts court. The CJ’s imprint on the SC during his term has been to return it to a Judicially Conservative Court rather than and Ideological Court which many both on the left and right don't seem to understand.

This decision only applies to closely held corporations. It's not a blow to the ACA in fact it probably will further entrench it in the future as it gives the executive branch free reign to cover contraceptives for employees of those companies that don't offer them and pay for these services with taxpayer dollars. The companies may not have to offer it but they like everybody else will ultimately pay for it through taxes.

IMHO it greases the skids on single payer...

18 posted on 06/30/2014 10:36:31 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: ElkGroveDan

Reminder: Hobby Lobby Provides Coverage for 16 Types of Contraception
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3174342/posts


19 posted on 06/30/2014 10:37:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Irin Carmon (@irin) tweeted at 10:10pm - 30 Jun 14:

@SteveKrak @katepickert yet another problem is that even if admin goes with HHS fix —not given —can change with next admin. Unlike statute (https://twitter.com/irin/status/483809771737198593)


20 posted on 06/30/2014 10:38:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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