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‘Now that bodies found, world won’t abide large military campaign’
The Times of Israel ^ | Tuesday, July 1, 2014 | Raphael Ahren

Posted on 07/01/2014 6:27:56 AM PDT by Star Traveler

Despite the countless messages of condolence issued by leaders across the Western world, the international community would show little understanding if Israel were to launch a wide-scale military operation against Palestinian targets or expand settlements in response to the killing of the three Israeli teenagers, a senior diplomatic official warned Tuesday.

“We had some legitimacy to carry out Operation Brothers Keeper, including massive arrests of Hamas members,” the official told The Times of Israel, referring to the IDF’s efforts to locate Eyal Yifrach, Gil-ad Shaar and Naftali Fraenkel, who were snatched from a hitchhiking post south of Jerusalem and killed on June 12. The international community frowned upon the 18-day search for the three, which included the arrests of hundreds of Hamas members, “but not too much,” the official said, adding that Israel was only condemned when noncombatants were harmed.

“Now the whole thing is over and we will not have legitimacy for any military operation,” the official, who insisted on anonymity, said. “While we were looking for the kidnapped teenagers there was legitimacy for the operation, though not for the casualties. There were condemnations, but it was understood that we had to find the teens. Now, however, this justification does not exist anymore. Now any forceful IDF operation will not be understood.”

Israel is expected to crack down on terrorist organizations in the coming days, but world leaders expect Jerusalem not “to provoke too much violence on the ground,” the diplomatic official said. “That’s not going to look justifiable.”

(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...


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KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; starisrael; stih
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This is from INSIDE Israel. You can bet these discussions are going on with Netanyahu's people!
1 posted on 07/01/2014 6:27:56 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

I say Isreal should kick Hamas butt up and down the river and not worry about ‘condemnation’. They get that no matter what they do. Personally, I’d be tired of their Pali nonsense and would go Biblical on them.


2 posted on 07/01/2014 6:33:20 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Star Traveler

They have dove’s in Israel too -


3 posted on 07/01/2014 6:33:41 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: Star Traveler

Actually, what IS needed now is extreme violence as that is all the muzzies understand. Israel has been playing “nice” for many, many years and no matter what Israel does some idjit in the UN condemns Israel. Well, Israel should know the bad mouthing is coming anyway; make their jaws drop and then announce to the world “We can keep going if the muzzies don’t wish to abandon their murderous ways...Eventually we’ll run out of muzzies to be violent with”


4 posted on 07/01/2014 6:34:40 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Star Traveler
Yep, submission is the key to peace...


5 posted on 07/01/2014 6:36:24 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Star Traveler

What I find facinating is how people seemingly allow leftist opinion to so rule over them and dictate what they do. Who cares what the looney left thinks, they are wrong 99% of the time anyway.


6 posted on 07/01/2014 6:37:21 AM PDT by Obadiah (None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Star Traveler

excerpt- a senior diplomatic official warned Tuesday.

“official”

What’s the official’s name? (question directed to the reporter.)


7 posted on 07/01/2014 6:37:25 AM PDT by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: Star Traveler
The military campaign is coming form Hamas/PA with their daily rocket attacks and propaganda attacks. Israel is not allowed to fight back?
8 posted on 07/01/2014 6:37:37 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Star Traveler

That excerpt sounds very centered about what the world thinks.

In reality, Israel should do what is in the best interests of preventing this, and other terrorist actions like it, from happening anytime soon again. If Israel would then take some world heat, especially from its “friend” the USofBarack, then so-be-it.


9 posted on 07/01/2014 6:38:06 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Star Traveler; SkyDancer; bk1000; Ghost of SVR4

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/01/israeli-teens-found-dead/


10 posted on 07/01/2014 6:40:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,748 threads and 84,975 replies..)
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To: Star Traveler

>> “Now the whole thing is over and we will not have legitimacy for any military operation,” the official, who insisted on anonymity, said.

Ah, yes, the inevitable secular leftist JINO “official” wagging his finger for the press, urging restraint.

Anonymously, of course.


11 posted on 07/01/2014 6:40:05 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: mountainlion

The Palestinian Authority doesn’t do rocket attacks ... but Hamas does ...


12 posted on 07/01/2014 6:40:08 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Were those boys molested?


13 posted on 07/01/2014 6:41:21 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Nervous Tick

That kind of disagreement is right inside the middle of Netanyahu’s meeting with his Cabinet ...


14 posted on 07/01/2014 6:41:26 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Mike Darancette

I think they were killed quickly ...


15 posted on 07/01/2014 6:41:57 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

You think they give a damn what the world thinks or wants? Go for it Israel.


16 posted on 07/01/2014 6:42:18 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: Star Traveler

What would the “world” do?


17 posted on 07/01/2014 6:42:30 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Red Badger

Those air strikes were not for the teens. Israel made it clear it was for the rocket attacks. Netanyahu’s Cabinet is still discussing what to do in connection with the teens.


18 posted on 07/01/2014 6:43:54 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SkyDancer

>> They have doves in Israel too

You bet they do.

And secular Socialists. “Jews in name only”.

Lots of overlap between the doves and the socialist douchbags.


19 posted on 07/01/2014 6:44:04 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Star Traveler

***...the international community would show little understanding if Israel...***

Not the international community I hang around with. We, and many like us, are 100% with Israel.

Do what you’ve got to do Mr. Prime Minister.


20 posted on 07/01/2014 6:44:47 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: armydawg505

They do take that into consideration ... but if something is clearly more important for Israel’s SECURITY, then Israel will act alone. The question here, though ... is what kind and level of retaliation will Israel have against Hamas.


21 posted on 07/01/2014 6:46:17 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

>> That kind of disagreement is right inside the middle of Netanyahu’s meeting with his Cabinet ...

Of course. Too damn many JINOs in high places in the Israeli government

What do you want to bet that “anonymous official” counseling restraint is one of those slimy Arab MK’s?


22 posted on 07/01/2014 6:46:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Star Traveler
Like the fist of an angry God...


23 posted on 07/01/2014 6:46:29 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Star Traveler

Actually, I think it would be better that instead of a short term military campaign, that Israel adopt a different long term strategy.

Muslims are obsessive about territorial conquest by any means. It is the one way a Muslim can demonstrate to other Muslims that they are a “righteous” Muslim. Conversely, the worst and most shameful thing a Muslim can do is to lose land to infidels. To do so causes bitter humiliation.

Importantly, land eclipses *all* other things. Including prosperity, peace, happiness, family, and the thousand other things that Jews and Christians like about life.

But getting land is a form of greed. Thus it is endless and never satisfied. They want *all* land, everywhere. So offering them *some* land just whets their appetite.

Thus, a policy of “land for peace” is not just ineffective, it makes their behavior worse.

So the first thing the Israelis should do is to make a policy that they will never, ever, surrender *any* land to Muslims, no matter what is threatened or promised.

But then, the new policy: That with each and every attack against Jews and Israel, the Muslims will *forfeit* some land. It doesn’t have to be a whole lot. Even a few acres of empty desert would drive the Muslims bonkers.

They would threaten, offer anything (lying of course), and go begging to other countries to make Israel give them that land back!

And the other countries would be puzzled as to why a few acres of empty desert mean so much to the Muslims, so they would undoubtedly ask, or even demand, that Israel give it back, “because it is meaningless”.

But Israel must be firm. No, nothing, not. It is forfeit, *forever*. It may not be Jewish land, but it is no longer Muslim land. And it will never be traded or offered to Muslims for any reason.

Oddly enough, this is so traumatizing to Muslims, that under the threat of losing more land, they may actually agree to peace. But not ever in exchange for the land they lost, but only to keep from losing even more land.

Since they are an inherently violent and hateful people, they might eventually lose all of the Gaza Strip. And if that is the case, so be it.


24 posted on 07/01/2014 6:48:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Star Traveler
Netanyahu’s Cabinet is still discussing what to do in connection with the teens.

Other than blowing up the kidnapper's houses ?

25 posted on 07/01/2014 6:50:35 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Star Traveler
Now any forceful IDF operation will not be understood.”

Frankly the Muzzies don't have to understand IDF action, they only have to endure ire, wrath, retribution and punishment for their actions. Light'em up! Weapons free.

26 posted on 07/01/2014 6:51:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: UCANSEE2

If it were me and I’d identified any specific house, I’d flatten the whole damned city it was in.


27 posted on 07/01/2014 6:52:18 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The only thing about that is that it’s ISRAEL who wants the land to be given to the Palestinians, for a Palestinian state. Israel wants that more than the Palestinians do ... :-) ...

The reason why is if Israel incorporates all that land into the nation of Israel the numbers of Muslims that are there will turn Israel instantly into an ARAB STATE.

That’s what Israel wants to avoid at all costs and that’s why Israel does NOT WANT the land where millions of Arabs are residing right now.


28 posted on 07/01/2014 6:53:22 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Nervous Tick

That’s what I wondered. This slimeball has no words about what the “international community” should feel, say or do, re the demonic beasts who did this? What about international outrage over that? Or isn’t there any?


29 posted on 07/01/2014 6:54:17 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: UCANSEE2

I hate to tell you, but that turned out to be a false report.


30 posted on 07/01/2014 6:54:25 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SkyDancer; SJackson; MeganC

the world can go suck the root Man.

Israel should do what it has to do


31 posted on 07/01/2014 6:55:03 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Nervous Tick

Netanyahu doesn’t have any of those inside his cabinet where those discussions are going on ... :-) ...


32 posted on 07/01/2014 6:56:04 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: null and void

Israel doesn’t do WAR CRIMES ...


33 posted on 07/01/2014 6:56:42 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: bk1000

Get medieval on their buttocks!


34 posted on 07/01/2014 6:58:04 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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Yasser Arafat was the father of the “suicide bomber” attacks on Israel and many other crimes against humanity. The rockets come form PA controlled land, PA is complicit if not a partner.
35 posted on 07/01/2014 6:58:12 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Nervous Tick

“>> “Now the whole thing is over and we will not have legitimacy for any military operation,” the official, who insisted on anonymity, said.

So, it’s okay to be upset while the Israeli teens were missing, but after they were found butchered — just get over it.


36 posted on 07/01/2014 7:00:45 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: mountainlion

No, the rockets come from Hamas controlled land.


37 posted on 07/01/2014 7:02:25 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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>> So, it’s okay to be upset while the Israeli teens were missing, but after they were found butchered — just get over it.

Weird, huh.

But this is just what the ‘Rats would have us believe about terrorists. They’re not engaging in acts of war; they’re merely criminals.

There are apparently Israeli “officials” who think like Obama. You’d think that Israel would have figured it out after five thousand years of this crap, but apparently, no.


38 posted on 07/01/2014 7:03:30 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Freepers have short memories. The 2006 Lebanon war made Israel look like fools. Hezbollah were far better trained and prepared than they expected. The result left Israel stunned and wounded.

This isn’t your grandfather’s Israel. Thinking they can just waltz in and overwhelm the enemy is not realistic. The same problems within our armed forces are present in Israel’s armed forces.


39 posted on 07/01/2014 7:03:46 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: mountainlion

>> PA is complicit if not a partner.

Yep. Anyone who believes the PA has ever acted in good faith, or is now acting in good faith, or ever WILL act in good faith, is at best an idiot — and at worst, a Jew hater. And there are PLENTY of folks all across that evil spectrum, sad to say.


40 posted on 07/01/2014 7:06:23 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick
The best example of the mindset of the PA is Yasser Arafat.
41 posted on 07/01/2014 7:08:43 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Israel does extreme violence to the terrorists and their operations facilities - but Israel very very carefully avoids any collateral damage to Palestinian civilians.


42 posted on 07/01/2014 7:10:33 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Ted Grant

>> This isn’t your grandfather’s Israel... The same problems within our armed forces are present in Israel’s armed forces.

That’s true, as far as it goes. But you’re implying the problem with Israel’s military is one of competence.

Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, Israel’s military prowess is BETTER than that of “your grandfather’s Israel”. MUCH better. With an all-important intelligence capability second to NONE in the WORLD.

No, the problems with Israel’s military is that they haven’t the WILL to defeat their enemies.

(We in the US have precisely the same problem.)

Israel could have thoroughly kicked butt in Lebanon in 2006. HAD THEY BEEN WILLING. Hezbollah was nothing near a match for Israel, except for the WILL TO DO WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY TO WIN.


43 posted on 07/01/2014 7:11:05 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Star Traveler

:: or expand settlements in response to the killing of the three Israeli teenagers ::

Seriously? Isreal would consider a legitimate response of building another dozen houses in Gaza?

Who is this idiot ^Ahren^...Jimmah Cahtah and Habitat for Humanity?


44 posted on 07/01/2014 7:15:02 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Star Traveler

>> Israel very very carefully avoids any collateral damage to Palestinian civilians.

Too bad, that. Unless you stop the breeders, there will always be more cockroaches with homemade rockets.

Long, long ago, the LORD GOD instructed the Israelites to utterly destroy certain groups of Philistines and Canaanites. In other words, wipe out the DNA of that vermin. It has always been man’s sinful proclivity to disobey the LORD. Their disobedience has come back on them a hundredfold.


45 posted on 07/01/2014 7:15:31 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Star Traveler
F the world. Kill every mother's son of a bitch wearing their underwear on their head.

The ONLY way there will be peace.

46 posted on 07/01/2014 7:15:32 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Nervous Tick

Prime Minister Netanyahu finds the PA very useful. It helps Israel avoid putting their soldiers right in the middle of Palestinian enclaves.

In fact about a year or so ago, there was some bill in Congress to cut off some funding to the PA. Netanyahu pleaded with Congressional members to not cut it off ... and they listened to him and didn’t do it.


47 posted on 07/01/2014 7:17:16 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Feckless

Israel doesn’t do WAR CRIMES and indiscriminately target civilians. They scrupulously avoid any collateral damage to Palestinian civilians and directly target the terrorist operatives.


48 posted on 07/01/2014 7:19:26 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

>> Prime Minister Netanyahu finds the PA very useful.

It’s like bargaining with Satan himself, for temporary comfort.

Bad idea.

There will be NO peace for GOD’s chosen ones until they utterly subdue their enemies, by whatever means are necessary.


49 posted on 07/01/2014 7:21:01 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Israel is not a THEOCRACY ... but a member of “the West” and as a modern democratic country — upholds the rights of all civilians, either under military or civilian control. They also uphold all religious rights of the major religions ... and protect all religious sites.


50 posted on 07/01/2014 7:22:51 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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