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Exclusive: Putinís Pilots Set to Fly Over Iraq
The Daily Beast ^ | 07/01/14 | Josh Rogin

Posted on 07/02/2014 12:29:19 AM PDT by Trapper6012

Russia may not have boots on the ground in Iraq—yet. But it will have them in the sky; Russian pilots could be flying over Iraq within days. While the Obama administration struggles to speed up delivery of U.S. military assistance to the government of Iraq, Vladimir Putin has already delivered not only fighter jets but also the pilots needed to fly them, diplomatic sources told The Daily Beast.

On Monday, Russian television trumpeted the arrival of the first five of 12 promised Sukhoi Su-25 combat fighter jets to the Iraqi government, saying it had also sent “trainers” to help the Iraqis use them. Gen. Anwar Hama Ameen, the commander of the Iraqi Air Force, told The New York Times the fighter jets would enter the battle against ISIS within a few days, after which the Russian trainers would leave Iraq. He said Iraq had plenty of pilots with “long experience” flying the Su-25. The Russian ambassador to Iraq also said Russian pilots would not fly missions inside Iraq.

Perhaps. But diplomatic sources told The Daily Beast that Russian pilots will fly the planes due to a lack of Iraqi pilots with the proper training. Neither Russia nor Iraq as explained how the Iraqi air force could possibly have pilots trained and ready to fly the Russian fighters. The Su-25 planes were used in the Iraq-Iran war but have not been employed in Iraq since at least 2002, when Iraq’s military was controlled by the Baathist regime of Saddam Hussein.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; isis; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; su25
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1 posted on 07/02/2014 12:29:19 AM PDT by Trapper6012
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To: Trapper6012

this is great! I have long thought that we should team up with Russia and the Russian military and kick ass on Islam worldwide . This could be the beginning of that!
Forget about those whiners in Ukraine , they are Russians ethnically anyway . Their problem is they have gotten infected by Europitis .

To defeat radical fundamentalist islam is the foremost goal .
USA probably cannot do it alone , but in concert with Russia we can . Forget all the cold war BS . Team up !


2 posted on 07/02/2014 12:38:25 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: LeoWindhorse

We certainly teamed up with a much worse dictator in Stalin in WWII. Sure as hell we can find common cause with Putin.


3 posted on 07/02/2014 12:56:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: Trapper6012

No need for American boots on the ground.

Close air support with high speed fighter jets in open terrain like that would destroy the stupid ISIS savages.

In the cities where they are entrenched, WWII style indiscriminate bombing.

0bamao doesn’t have the guts to do it, but I venture Putin does.


4 posted on 07/02/2014 12:57:48 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Only one big problem with that, Obama, who does not want to defeat Islam.


5 posted on 07/02/2014 12:58:45 AM PDT by kalee
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To: kalee

we absolutely need new leadership

it exists within the ranks of the U.S. military


6 posted on 07/02/2014 1:00:40 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Trapper6012

I’ll say this for Putin; he never misses an opportunity. The west has badly underestimated his ability.

The Su-25 ‘Frogfoot’ is a good little plane, btw. The design is similar (some might argue a little too similar) to the Northrup A-9 that lost out to the A-10 in testing trials). Like the A-10, it’s a tough, armored ground attack craft with a lot of bang for relatively little buck.

It’s also supposed to be very easy to maintain. During the Cold War, some versions supposedly had a compartment in the fuselage that held every maintenance tool needed to service the Frogfoot, making it easy to keep the plane running at remote airfields.


7 posted on 07/02/2014 1:06:24 AM PDT by DemforBush (Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
this is great! I have long thought that we should team up with Russia and the Russian military and kick ass on Islam worldwide .

This is a fantasy that will never materialize. Putin is building his own little Islamic caliphate in Chechnya with the help of his buddy Kadyrov:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3162541/posts

The Iranians, in case people have forgotten, have Putin too who is helping them materially and politically in their quest for nuclear weapons.

Putin is no enemy of Islam. Well, maybe he, and the still living soviet structures in Russia, sees them as more of a very useful tool in their war against the West.

8 posted on 07/02/2014 1:26:14 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Trapper6012

Unbelievable that Repubs are afraid to challenge Obama while European leaders dismiss him.


9 posted on 07/02/2014 1:40:59 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Trapper6012

The foundations of World War III are now being laid out!


10 posted on 07/02/2014 2:19:14 AM PDT by BCW (Amazon Books: "Babylon's Covert War" - the Iraq conflict explained in detail - by JH White)
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To: Trapper6012

Don't worry America. I've got this.

11 posted on 07/02/2014 2:29:47 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: kalee

Putin will not listen to wimp. Obama is toast now.


12 posted on 07/02/2014 2:40:02 AM PDT by Biggirl (¬ďGo, do not be afraid, and serve¬Ē-Pope Francis)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Amen.


13 posted on 07/02/2014 2:41:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (¬ďGo, do not be afraid, and serve¬Ē-Pope Francis)
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To: Trapper6012

Only the Obama administration could make things so FUBAR


14 posted on 07/02/2014 3:17:55 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Trapper6012

Way to go Bronco Bama! You’ve taken the investment of blood and a crippling amount of treasure spent to usher IRAQ out of the dark ages and turned the spoils over to Russia, and all it’s costing them is a few airplanes.

Why don’t you just give up the ghost and abandon the whole damn place? Are you expecting to turn the palatial US Embassy complex in Baghdad into a summer Palace for your golfing vacations?


15 posted on 07/02/2014 4:04:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: LeoWindhorse
“we” are not teaming up with Russia.

Iran, Syria and Iraq are teaming up with Russia- for now. Perhaps China, too.

This is not about Putin's fight against radical islam

It is about Putin securing a Russia's permanent security interests in the region. Which is not having muslim radicals in control of the oilfields and pipelines.
They are bad for business. Instability is bad for business.

what is obama’s national security policy and what permanent American strategic interests are being secured by this arrangement that our dumass State Department “doesn't oppose” and shrugs off as business-as-usual for Iraq?

(crickets)

16 posted on 07/02/2014 4:06:59 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

There will come a time when Russia will team up with America against those muslims. But first there has to be a proper ‘team USA’. One that quits assisting Islamic grps as short term solution & starts to take back its leadership on the world stage. China & most of Southeast Asia, on the other hand, will be on the other side, muslims or not. We’ll see more of that in another decade.


17 posted on 07/02/2014 4:28:05 AM PDT by odds
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To: Trapper6012

So will the caliph now take Moscow?


18 posted on 07/02/2014 4:40:54 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: LeoWindhorse

LOL !


19 posted on 07/02/2014 5:35:06 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: DemforBush
Like the A-10, it’s a tough, armored ground attack craft with a lot of bang for relatively little buck.

More reasons why the A-10 shouldn't be phased out imo.

20 posted on 07/02/2014 5:41:13 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Trapper6012

Obama is a Muslim.

Sure seems like he is also a stooge of Russia, an actual agent of the Kremlin.

Obama never gets the best of Putin, and there is a reason for that.

Obama was countered by Putin in Syria, in the Ukraine, and now Iraq. And let’s not forget handling Iran, Putin’s buddies, with kid gloves since 2009.

We are seeing what “having more flexibility after the election” is all about now.

A real American President would be striking ISIS now, not because we care about Iraq, but because they are a terrorist entity that needs to be exterminated before they harm us.

But we trained them and armed them, as Obama wants to facilitate the Caliphate being re-born.

It’s not “dithering” on Iraq, it is deliberate stalling to buy time for ISIS to cement their gains.

And now, he is handing control of the skies over Irag to his taskmaster, skies that cost us 5,000 dead and one trillion dollars to liberate from Saddam Hussein.


21 posted on 07/02/2014 5:49:42 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: odds

yes, Russia actually was part of the DESERT STORM Coalition. Putin and Bush43 have different ideologies but they respected each other as men.

I think things would be a lot different now in Ukraine, Iran, Syria, and in the entire middle east if Putin had mature rational adults to deal with in the USG


22 posted on 07/02/2014 6:01:56 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: exit82

ISIS is not a ‘terrorist grp’. It’s an army & perhaps soon to become a state of its own. They certainly don’t ‘move’ like a terrorist grp. The difference should be noted.


23 posted on 07/02/2014 6:09:37 AM PDT by odds
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To: silverleaf

Um.. probably get in to hot water for saying so... Ukraine is part of ‘greater’ Russia, with a mixture of ethnic grps & languages. I know they want to be left alone. But they are really Russians (to be transparent, I’m not Russian). It’s a big issue for Russia & Ukraine to figure out. Also, any ideological differences between Russia & USA (Bush43 & Putin) would be insignificant vis a vis Islamic ones.


24 posted on 07/02/2014 6:31:43 AM PDT by odds
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To: Trapper6012

Some reality re who will be piloting the Russian Planes and now maybe Iraq’s planes:

‘Diplomatic sources told The Daily Beast that Russian pilots will fly the planes due to a lack of Iraqi pilots with the proper training. Neither Russia nor Iraq as explained how the Iraqi air force could possibly have pilots trained and ready to fly the Russian fighters. The Su-25 planes were used in the Iraq-Iran war but have not been employed in Iraq since at least 2002, when Iraq’s military was controlled by the Baathist regime of Saddam Hussein.’


25 posted on 07/02/2014 8:08:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni Won-Doer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Trapper6012

This news indicates that Iran has deployed its 7 SU 25’s to Iraq.

They will be flown by Iranian Pilots and serviced by Iranians

http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/01/iranian-su-25-iraq/

By David Cenciotti
Seven Su-25 Frogfoot attack planes operated by the Iranian Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution have arrived at Baghdad to join the war against ISIS militants.

On Jul. 1, all the seven operational Su-25 Frogfoot attack planes operated by the Pasdaran (informal name of the IRGC – the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution) have completed their deployment to Imam Ali Airbase where they will join the ex-Russian Air Force Su-25s already delivered to Iraq in the air war against ISIS (Al Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant).


26 posted on 07/02/2014 8:14:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni Won-Doer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Trapper6012

Our guys win the war, Putin takes the strategic relationship.


27 posted on 07/02/2014 8:35:25 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The GOP-e scum enlisted Democrats to steal the Republican primary. The GOP-e can go to Hell.)
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To: Trapper6012

Iraq may have some leftover Su-25 pilots left over from pre-2003, who may be able to get up to speed fairly quickly.


28 posted on 07/02/2014 8:51:42 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Trapper6012

For now let’s be real. Russia is making a statement. zer0 is being a zer0 as usual.


29 posted on 07/02/2014 10:50:17 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: odds

Thanks Odds! Your input is always a welcome site.


30 posted on 07/02/2014 10:51:59 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Biggirl

“...Putin will not listen to wimp. Obama is toast now....”

I often fantasize about having a ring-side seat to watch a 15-round boxing match between these two guys. Unfortunately, I don’t think it would last much over 15 seconds at best. Could odongo run away from him for longer than 15 seconds???? Naaaa....didn’t think so.


31 posted on 07/02/2014 10:52:13 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: DemforBush

....” Putin.... he never misses an opportunity”....”The west has badly underestimated his ability”.

Putin sees an void or opening and goes for it ...but only after Obama fails to act.

Putin’s been spending billions upgrading his military....but the old cold war armchair idiots still think he’s operating with outdated equipment.......

...at least ‘our military people do recognize’ Putin has a new and very effective means to accomplish what he sets out to do.... they saw this clearly with Crimea. The only good that came from Crimea to the US was Putin revealed some of his capabilities to our military people....it left them stunned as many stated.

To date Putin continues to be steps ahead of current events......He’s not operating by cold war standards...only Obama is....and why he continues to outsmart the US. Unfortunately though many in our Military leadership understands the situation, Obama is not listening to them, and those with the cold war mentality are getting in the way as they fight against those who have grasped the real situation.


32 posted on 07/02/2014 11:02:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

yep, caww. putin is playing crazy on zer0. zer0 has on knee pads.


33 posted on 07/02/2014 11:11:17 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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34 posted on 07/02/2014 11:12:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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putin is playing Barracuda and zer0 is playing shrimp.


35 posted on 07/02/2014 11:12:32 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

....”let’s be real. Russia is making a statement. zer0 is being a zer0 as usual”.....

It’s the difference between leadership and statesmanship and one who hasn’t a clue. Sad day when Russia keeps taking the lead and this administration hands it to him.

This in turn is creating an environment where EU and other nations are beginning to rely more on China and Russia and themselves....which is why Obama is itching for war over Ukraine....and supporting/ordering Poroshenko’s blistering bombing of the East. He must get Russia engaged in war so Nato can come into the mix. So far Russia hasn’t taken the bait.


36 posted on 07/02/2014 11:13:53 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
our Military leadership understands the situation

We are listening ... I promise!

37 posted on 07/02/2014 11:14:15 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: silverleaf

Putin’s terrorist allies Ayatollah Khamenei and Muqtada al-Sadr are not muslim radicals? News to me.


38 posted on 07/02/2014 11:16:40 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Trapper6012
I was talking with a relative a couple of weeks ago and I said-"I bet Putin will step in, in Iraq. He's on friendly terms with Iran. They share business interests, and it's an opportunity to advance his image as a strong leader on the world stage."

It was pretty easy to predict this would happen.

39 posted on 07/02/2014 11:25:37 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.??)
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To: no-to-illegals

Zero’s simply bowing to those dictating to him what he must do or not....Soros too is in play now....what a mess!


40 posted on 07/02/2014 11:28:19 AM PDT by caww
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To: odds

“But they are really Russians”

LOL ! About as much as Americans are British and Canadians are American.


41 posted on 07/02/2014 11:29:42 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grampa Dave

I wouldn’t put ANY Iraqi pilots in any of my jets if I were Russian...too risky they’d hand them over to the highest bidder. They cannot be trusted and Russia knows this. Not to mention too many of Iraq’s army are unwilling to fight once they actually face fire. They run...and as many in our military have said, who have worked along side them, they really are just looking for the paycheck and have little desire to do more than necessary to get that.


42 posted on 07/02/2014 11:33:13 AM PDT by caww
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To: LeoWindhorse

...”we absolutely need new leadership...it exists within the ranks of the U.S. military”....

Yes indeed.


43 posted on 07/02/2014 11:34:21 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Amen caww! Oh how I love messes. zer0, I promise, you are going down! My destination is not a warning ... lame-stream how do you like your dead children courtesy of your Obama support? Obama want you and your children dead lame-stream! Want to wake up yet?
44 posted on 07/02/2014 11:36:17 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Or Irish are Scots, or English are Welsh.


45 posted on 07/02/2014 11:40:13 AM PDT by odds
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To: odds

Odds, I’ll take Scots, Yelling Freedom for $1000.00


46 posted on 07/02/2014 11:45:47 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

1k only?! I’m part Irish, the Republic kind.. but 1k won’t do.. Scots are ‘very savvy with money’ am told.


47 posted on 07/02/2014 12:02:51 PM PDT by odds
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To: Westbrook

Putin won’t put rules of engagement on his military.
He also knows that baraq can’t be bothered right now.
He is too busy wrecking our country.


48 posted on 07/02/2014 12:08:04 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: odds
Scots are ‘very savvy with money’ am told.

Amen, Odds!

49 posted on 07/02/2014 12:11:58 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

I see Scots price it competitively. Cool. I need to sleep a bit. Good to see you again :)


50 posted on 07/02/2014 12:17:14 PM PDT by odds
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