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If you like being insulted, do we have a Virginia gun store for you!
www.vcdl.org ^ | 7/2/14 | Phillip Van Cleave

Posted on 07/03/2014 3:45:24 AM PDT by Cheeks

************************************************************** 3. If you like being insulted, do we have a Virginia gun store for you! **************************************************************

A VCDL member brought to our attention a “No loaded guns” sign on the door of Absolute Outdoors in New Kent. EM Ed Levine sent them an email to confirm that policy.

First, let me say that many gun stores have a “no loaded guns” policy. That’s because, unlike pretty much any other public place around, people are actually drawing guns and handling them in a gun store. That said, many stores have a better policy of saying that a person can have a holstered, loaded handgun as long as the gun never leaves the holster while the owner is in the store.

So, if the “no loaded guns” was indeed Absolute Outdoors's policy, it wouldn’t be the best policy, but it wouldn’t be uncommon for such a business.

However, the response Ed got back was, well, unbelievable and uncalled for.

We report, you decide.

Here is Ed’s email to Absolute Outdoors:

On Jun 30, 2014 10:04 AM, wrote:

Hi -

Someone told me that you guys have a sign on your door that prohibits the lawful carry of firearms by customers (unless they are law enforcement). [PVC: Here I will note that Ed should have said “...the lawful carry of a LOADED firearm by customers…” However, this would have been a good opportunity for the gun store to set the record straight.]

I just wanted to confirm that before I put the word out to 30,000 Virginia gun owners.

Thanks,

Ed Levine Founder - Virginia Open Carry Executive Member - Virginia Citizens Defense League NRA - Life member and Instructor GOA - member

The response back to Ed:

In a message dated 6/30/2014 11:16:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, abowarehouse@gmail.com writes:

You need to add to your list of titles:

Loser Idiot In desperate need of a life life long member of the tiny dick club Just plain stupid

Now that better describes you.

Rick Baker, owner

I'm usually there everyday so you should drop by and see me little man.

Sounds like Sarah Brady wrote that clever response to Ed. Ed was in the Marines, so I’m not so sure that the “little man” thing fits him very well. ;-)

There are lots of gun stores out there and I know that I, for one, won’t be headed to Absolute Outdoors anytime soon. I’ll be spending my money with gun dealers that treat gun owners in a friendly and respectful manner. There are plenty of them out there.

------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org [http://www.vcdl.org/]


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; open; virginia
This is from the latest Alert from VCDL. Virginia Citizen's Defense League.

What an unbelievable response from the store owner.

1 posted on 07/03/2014 3:45:25 AM PDT by Cheeks
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To: Cheeks

Is it Absolute Outdoors, or is it Absolutely Outdoors?

Absolutely Outdoors of New Kent, VA is the only store like that I could find on a search.

It makes a big difference because they are one of the Vendors for Cheaper Than Dirt, as listed on its site.

One might send CTD a copy of the story and advise them of their vendor’s anti-Second Amendment attitude.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 3:52:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Cheeks

Independent business owners can some times be way to independent for their own good.

My brother and I walked into a small gun shop looking for a used deer rifle.

As we were checking out the used rack and picked up one to look at the owner sharply said if your not buying don’t handle.

We looked at each other and walked out and never went back.

He went out of business a couple years later.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 3:52:39 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Gaffer

It appears to be the same one you mentioned, so I guess it’s actually “Absolutely Outdoors.” The owner Rick Baker is mentioned in the alert and on CTD’s website.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ffldealers/FFLDealerDetails.aspx?sid=115261


4 posted on 07/03/2014 3:58:11 AM PDT by Cheeks
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To: Gaffer

I looked up VCDL’s contact for its President and emailed him with a slight suggestion about what CTD might do if they were, say e-bombed, by a deluge of emails from their members regarding Absolutely Outdoors.


5 posted on 07/03/2014 3:59:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Cheeks

See post below yours


6 posted on 07/03/2014 3:59:56 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: riverrunner

I had a similar experience in a local gun shop. Haven’t been back.
I was interested in a make and model but they didn’t have it, suggested my choice was bad/dumb and that I should buy a similar model that they did have.
Walked out and got what I wanted somewhere else.


7 posted on 07/03/2014 4:04:15 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: riverrunner

There is a large place around here that treats lookers like they would a fly buzzing around. Try and get one to help and they get all crappy. Ask a question and they look at you like you are a moron.
Everyone I know who went there were treated the same.


8 posted on 07/03/2014 4:37:19 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Yorlik803

Don’t know what it is about some gun shops. I have been in storess all over Virginia, some are friendly and some treat their customers as a nuisance. I have a store literally around the corner, but after being greeted with “Hi a—hole” and “wtf do you want?” enough times I now drive 30 miles to Winchester to a store that is a pleasure to visit. I especially liked (sarc) the hand written signs the owner taped around his shop saying that if you served and wanted to tell war stories get the fu** out” and “got a problem with your gun, call the factory” etc.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 4:54:28 AM PDT by W.Lee (After the first one, the rest are free.)
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To: Cheeks

The best gun store I’ve found in VA is Virginia Arms, in Manassas. The guys there are very knowledgeable, and super friendly.


10 posted on 07/03/2014 5:24:49 AM PDT by Cheeks
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To: W.Lee

Would you care to name that store? Lots of folks in that part of VA/WV might like to know ...


11 posted on 07/03/2014 5:33:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: riverrunner

Had almost the same thing happen to me when a good friend wanted me to check out some rifles he was looking at. The first was a .303 Mk.III that had parts missing and a very poor bore. The second was a Remington bolt with a bad trigger and sear in it. The owner said don’t play with the guns unless your taking it home with you. I asked if he planed on having a gunsmith fix them if I wanted one of them. We were asked to get the f-— out of his shop and never come back.


12 posted on 07/03/2014 5:41:39 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Cheeks

Whether it’s guns, pizzas, booze, or used cars, it’s still a retail business and to be successful the owner has to know and cater to his customer base. Only your dear old mother could tell you “Eat what’s on your plate, that’s what we’re having tonight” because you weren’t paying her to cook and serve you. Sounds like these guys just don’t get it.


13 posted on 07/03/2014 5:44:55 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: Cheeks

I won’t be a gun from this guy... Thanks....for informing us...


14 posted on 07/03/2014 5:46:09 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: lostboy61

I was in a gun shop in the foothills of Yuma no longer in business and the owner and his Dad were discussing a luger pistol.

It had some broken part and the owner said instead of fixing it just put back together and we well sell it at the next gun show.

Not the type of people I would do business with.


15 posted on 07/03/2014 6:09:37 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: W.Lee

I don’t know either. I had a girl who wanted to look at pistols and she asked me about that place I mentioned. I waved her off and went to a cool place where they talked to her like a adult instead of a 5 year old.
Its like the “soup Nazi” bit. Some people must like being treated like dirt. If I am going to plunk down a huge chunk of cash on a firearm, please treat me like a human being.


16 posted on 07/03/2014 6:14:46 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: riverrunner

There seems to be a certain percentage of gun shop owners who are self employed because there’s no way they could work for anyone else.


17 posted on 07/03/2014 6:15:34 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: NorthMountain

I won’t name the unfriendly store other than to say it’s in Loudoun County, but the store I go to is Olde Towne Armory in Winchester. I collect older S&Ws and have them shipped there. Greg charges a very reasonable $20 for the transfer, much less than most. I understand that dealing with the public is stressful, especially the gun folks. So many experts....But if you make the decision to own a retail store, you have to know that your reputation is everything. And A bad one travels much faster and farther than a good one.


18 posted on 07/03/2014 6:19:26 AM PDT by W.Lee (After the first one, the rest are free.)
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To: W.Lee
the store I go to is Olde Towne Armory in Winchester

Thank you ... that's the one I wanted to know.

19 posted on 07/03/2014 6:25:58 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Yorlik803

“There is a large place around here that treats lookers like they would a fly buzzing around. Try and get one to help and they get all crappy. Ask a question and they look at you like you are a moron.”

For some reason rudeness is fairly common in gun stores. I have come to expect it.


20 posted on 07/03/2014 6:26:44 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Cheeks
My first thought would be the store owner left his computer account logged on and his idiot teenage son got online. Maybe dad wouldn't let him borrow the car or something so the sniveling little twerp decided to get back at dad by answering a few emails for him. Seriously, what was in tha temail is the kind of thing I would expect from a petulant and emotionally immature kid.

I have drawn my firearm in a local gun store. However, I told the person helping me what I wanted looked at, he said it was ok, and I drew it nice and slow, cleared it in front of him and turned it over. Maybe I just look trustworthy. At another time in another (small mom & pop) store they were very busy and my wife wanted to look at a firearm. The owner told me to come around the counter and show her the firearms while he was off helping someone else. He did say he'd "keep an eye on me" but I've been in shops enough to know the usual routine in showing firearms. I didn't get shot so I must have done ok in his eyes. ;-)

21 posted on 07/03/2014 6:32:06 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: riverrunner

My wife visited one nearby once. She had to convince them to unlock the door and let her in during posted business hours.

It too went out of business...


22 posted on 07/03/2014 7:09:45 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: riverrunner

A friend of mine asked me to look at a S&W 624 .44 Special while we were at a gun show.

Man told me not to handle the gun unless I was buying.

I put the gun back down and started looking at it.

I asked my buddy if he could see why the seller didn’t want me holding the gun to look at it.

When he told me no I showed him a nice gap that had been opened up by some idiot trying to turn a .44 special into a magnum with a Keith handload.

I was very loud and clear the gun was nothing but junk.

Then I started pointing out to my buddy all the other junk on the guys table.

Then others standing there started pointing out other guns that were junk.

Everything on his table was dangerous to shoot if it shot at all.

I don’t know if he just left the show or the guy running the show ran him off for trying to sell off guns he new to be dangerous to shoot, but about an hour later he was gone.


23 posted on 07/03/2014 7:43:22 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Cheeks

Surprising to me, all of the gun stores near me here in liberal northern Virginia are polite, efficient, and helpful. Some even have good prices, although most everything in this area is expensive. Blue Ridge Arsenal, Nova Armament, and Silver Eagle Group are among the best around here.


24 posted on 07/03/2014 8:43:59 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Cheeks

Our store allows holstered weapons.


25 posted on 07/03/2014 9:02:55 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Cheeks

26 posted on 07/03/2014 10:53:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: tumblindice

I heard one local retail shop on the radio during the anti-second fiasco of Obama admin, the were basicly all pro registration and only licensed blah blah blah and no mail order anything.

crossed them off the wallet list.


27 posted on 07/03/2014 11:08:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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