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Christie vetoes gun control bill to reduce size of ammunition magazines
The Star-Ledger via NJ.com ^

Posted on 07/03/2014 4:42:27 AM PDT by bryan999

TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie today vetoed a gun control bill that would have reduced the permitted size of ammunition magazines, saying it would do nothing to reduce gun violence.

“This is the very embodiment of reform in name only. It simply defies common sense to believe that imposing a new and entirely arbitrary number of bullets that can be lawfully loaded into a firearm will somehow eradicate, or even reduce, future instances of mass violence,” Christie said. “Nor is it sufficient to claim that a ten-round capacity might spare an eleventh victim.”

The move came less than an hour after gun control advocates — including parents of two children killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting — dropped off at Christie's office 55,000 signatures of people from around the country, including 10,000 from New Jersey, urging him to sign the measure.

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1 posted on 07/03/2014 4:42:27 AM PDT by bryan999
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To: bryan999

So, he really thinks he can get the nomination.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 4:44:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: bryan999

He lives in a state where you cannot get a slingshot and you need a permit for a BB gun. Such tough talk from the ruler of a state with the strictest rules in the country.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 4:46:54 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: bryan999

Blind squirrel, broken clock all that.....


4 posted on 07/03/2014 4:47:22 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Gaffer

Christie is pro-abort, pro-gay-agenda, pro-moslem, pro-amnesty, feigning pro-gun. I wouldn’t vote for him.


5 posted on 07/03/2014 4:49:00 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: bryan999

Sad reading some of the ignorant comments on that website.


6 posted on 07/03/2014 4:49:39 AM PDT by bryan999
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To: bryan999

Fat and stupid is no way to go through life son!


7 posted on 07/03/2014 4:51:34 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: bryan999

Cool! Now y’all can be secure in the thought you can have a 30 round magazine for your break-action shotgun.


8 posted on 07/03/2014 4:52:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: bryan999

To little to late lard a$$!!


9 posted on 07/03/2014 4:59:39 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: bryan999

Blind pig, broken clock, etc.


10 posted on 07/03/2014 5:00:17 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: bjorn14

But when someone does something right it doesn’t hurt to acknowledge same.


11 posted on 07/03/2014 5:02:51 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: bryan999

Yes it is. I’m not a Christie guy but I appreciate his position on firearms here and will send him a letter of thanks. So should every other prohun person. You can be sure he will here from the anti gun loons


12 posted on 07/03/2014 5:05:34 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: aumrl

Absolutely


13 posted on 07/03/2014 5:12:02 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: bryan999

"Gun Control" - - -

It's not about "Guns".

It's about "Control"!


14 posted on 07/03/2014 5:20:08 AM PDT by airborne (My heroes don't wear capes - My heroes wear dog tags!)
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To: bryan999
“This is the very embodiment of reform in name only. It simply defies common sense to believe that imposing a new and entirely arbitrary number of bullets that can be lawfully loaded into a firearm will somehow eradicate, or even reduce, future instances of mass violence,” Christie said. “Nor is it sufficient to claim that a ten-round capacity might spare an eleventh victim.”

Correct on all points. It's not about guns ... it's about control.

15 posted on 07/03/2014 5:23:49 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: bryan999; All

“We already have too many firearms in our community In April 1993 Christie announced that he would challenge incumbent state senator John Dorsey, an 18-year lawmaker, in the Republican primary. It was a big and brassy move because Dorsey was the Senate majority leader. We already have too many firearms in our community NJ’s ban on semiautomatic weapons. The ban was among the signature pieces of legislation passed.”

“The issue which has energized me to get into this race is the recent attempt by certain Republican legislators to repeal NJ’s ban on assault weapons.”

“The governor opposed a move in Congress that would effectively override NJ’s strict laws against concealed weapons although NJ’s entire Republican House delegation voted for it. The “right-to-carry reciprocity” bill would allow anyone with a valid permit to carry in their home state the same right in any other state. In NJ holders of carry permits from other states must lock their guns up when entering the Garden State.”

“I believe that each state should have the right to make firearms laws as they see fit. I don’t believe it’s right for the federal government to get into the middle of this and decide firearms laws for the people of the state of NJ,” Christie told “The Record” in July 2009.”

” In 2009, Christie said on Fox News with Sean Hannity that he supported some gun control measures:
Q: Are there any issues where you are moderate to left as a Republican?

A: I favor some of the gun-control measures we have in NJ.

Q: Bad idea.

A: We have a densely populated state, and there’s a big handgun problem in NJ. On certain gun control issues, looking at it from a law-enforcement perspective, seeing how many police officers were killed, we have an illegal gun problem in NJ.

Q: Should every citizen in your state be allowed to get a licensed weapon if they want one?

A: In NJ, that’s not going to happen.

Q: Why?

A: With the Democratic legislature we have, there’s no way those type of things—

Q: Would you support it?

A: What I support are commonsense laws that will allow people to protect themselves, but I also am very concerned about the safety of our police officers on the streets, very concerned. And I want to make sure that we don’t have an abundance of guns out there”

http://www.ontheissues.org/Chris_Christie.htm#Gun_Control

Before you cheer for this gungrabbing fat ass, better check his record.


16 posted on 07/03/2014 5:41:30 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: ZULU; aumrl
Exactly! Conservatives should be praising Christie for this decision. And enough with the name-calling and the fat jokes. I swear these people act like the hypocritical liberals, and then they expect people to treat them like adults. This ban would have done nothing to stop crime, but would have punished law-abiding gun owners. Applause for Christie. And shame on the name callers throwing out insults like six-year-olds. Grow up.
17 posted on 07/03/2014 6:20:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ZULU

Should someone be credited, let alone championed, for doing the right thing for the wrong reason?

Particularly if that reason is shameless political self promotion?

The truth is that Christies trying to peel off just enough Conservatives tonget him back into the nomination race. His long history of support for anti-gun measures shows this act to be an outlier. If he wasn’t running for higher office as a Republican he would have signed it in a big flashy ceremony, probably with Sarah Brady on one side of him and Gabby Giffords on the other, with Newtown and Columbine families surrounding them.


18 posted on 07/03/2014 6:29:07 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ZULU
I'm not a pro-Christie guy, but, I'm certainly not a prohun person.

FMCDH(BITS)

19 posted on 07/03/2014 7:45:11 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: SkyPilot; Beagle8U; ZULU; aumrl; bryan999; All
Conservatives should be praising Christie for this decision. And enough with the name-calling and the fat jokes. I swear these people act like the hypocritical liberals, and then they expect people to treat them like adults.

1. Hey pilot -- READ Beagle's post #16 above.

2. UNDERSTAND that talking down to people you disagree with ("... expect people to treat them like adults") is for those whose arguments are so weak they must resort to classifying fellow Americans into "children" and "adults," the "adults" being themselves, of course, and the "children" those who disagree.

There are no children involved in these decisions or discussions. They are ALL adults. Only arrogant assholes consider themselves the "adults" who must chastise "children" willful enough to dispute their flawed opinions.

20 posted on 07/03/2014 7:50:12 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SkyPilot
And shame on the name callers throwing out insults like six-year-olds. Grow up.

In your own self, you obviously confuse arrogance with maturity.

21 posted on 07/03/2014 7:52:54 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SkyPilot; All

“I believe that each state should have the right to make firearms laws as they see fit. I don’t believe it’s right for the federal government to get into the middle of this and decide firearms laws for the people of the state of NJ,” Christie told “The Record” in July 2009.”

What part of that do you not understand?

You can’t claim to support the 2nd amendment and think states should have the right to violate it at will!


22 posted on 07/03/2014 8:12:14 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Finny

Apparently you don’t consider fat jokes to be juvenile?
I judge arguments on their merit, not on the harshness of the personal attack.
Our definition of an ‘arrogant asshole’ might differ.


23 posted on 07/03/2014 8:36:42 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: aumrl

I think fat jokes are human. Christie’s extreme weight problem indicates character weakness. Sorry, that is HUMAN NATURE.


24 posted on 07/03/2014 9:02:39 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Yeah right, the fat jokes by some Freepers give so much credence to your argument. For Pete’s sake, it was the proper thing to Veto this bill. If he had not, he would have been wrong. But people are so small minded that cannot even acknowledge the fact that he acted properly in this particular case. And next time you want to flaunt your “maturity”, try and do so without the profanity.


25 posted on 07/03/2014 11:18:09 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: bryan999

Must be an election coming up.


26 posted on 07/03/2014 11:22:37 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Beagle8U
I don't think the 2nd Amendment should be violated. The Feds and the. States violate it. The SCOTUS just 2 months ago ruled that states can have “reasonable firearm restrictions” - whatever that means. I believe that was concerning the Colorado laws. The next day, the Democrats in NJ rammed through this latest bill, that Christie properly vetoed. I don't expect justice until Jesus Christ rules on this earth. Until then, I will applaud decisions that are CORRECT to that case, and Christie should be praised by Conservatives for THIS veto. And Yes, I think the rest of the gun laws are unconstitutional. But the behavior of some people on this board borders on being bipolar. Hey, if I want ideological perfect purity, my support for Republicans will be exactly zero.
27 posted on 07/03/2014 11:26:20 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

He flat out admitted he doesn’t support the 2nd amendment!


28 posted on 07/03/2014 11:46:20 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: bryan999

regardless of the source, those petitions end up in the circular filing unit. Petitions are just a means for the organizers to collect emails and addresses and phone numbers which can be sold to politicians raising money.


29 posted on 07/03/2014 12:00:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Gaffer

yep, looks like he is running for president this time around.


30 posted on 07/03/2014 1:06:35 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: ClayinVA

Which party?


31 posted on 07/03/2014 1:13:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tanknetter

Whatever.

But for the gun owners of New Jersey this is a brief but temporary victory in their fight with the maniac Democrats in Trenton.

The enemy of my enemy may not always be my friend, but there are times he is and this is one of them.

I am thankful the governor vetoed the bill, I am well aware of why he did so, but I am thankful anyway.


32 posted on 07/03/2014 1:59:43 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: nothingnew

Typo.

Should have said I am not a pro-Christie guy, but I AM a pro-Gun guy.


33 posted on 07/03/2014 2:01:14 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: Finny

You and some of the other posters here really miss the point.

The point being its a good thing he vetoed the bill and we should congratulate politicians when they do the right thing, regardless of motivation. You can be SURE he will hear from the anti-gun crowd. We have an opportunity to speak LOUDER by thanking him. As he is more like a pragmatist than an ideologue it MIGHT influence him in the future.

I have been in the FOREFRONT of refuting people on this site who were backing Christie as the second coming after he beat up on the teachers and civil service unions - people like Ann COulter.

I POINTED OUT:

Christie was NOT really pro-gun. But he is not ANTI-GUN either. Tom Kean Senior would have signed that bill in a heartbeat. He is a dogmatic ideologue Rockefeller Republican who doesn’t believe in the Second Amendment.
On the other hand EVERY Republican representative in New Jersey EVEN THE RINOS voted AGAINST this foolish bill.

Christie IS pro-Muslim.

Christie IS pro-illegal invader

Christie did NOTHING to improve the New Jersey State economy or business friendliness since he took office.

Christie IS an arrogant bull in a China Shop, as shown by the “Bridgegate: scandal - what a stupid stunt - REALLY - but quintessentially Christie.

FINALLY, I HEARD Mark Levin’s tape playing of Christie’s clueless, pragmatic response to the Hobby Lobby Decision.

I KNOW what he is.

BUT, CONGRATULATE these people when YOU think they are right because YOU CAN BE SURE, the opposition will CRITICIZE them when they are on our side on an issue.


34 posted on 07/03/2014 2:12:32 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: ZULU
Good post on many points, Zulu, BUT (you knew the "but" was coming! ;^) praising Christie for this is stepping into a trap. On the contrary, Christie needs to KNOW and HEAR that he has forfeited our trust and that he has to do a lot more than shoot fish in a barrel to impress us with his hunting prowess and marksmanship.
35 posted on 07/03/2014 3:26:18 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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Thanks Governor


36 posted on 07/03/2014 5:52:24 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Finny

Very courageous post.

Christie better diet, if he doesn’t want to die yet.


37 posted on 07/04/2014 3:29:59 AM PDT by b9 (II Timothy 1:7)
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