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The Great Pacific Garbage Patch Hoax
townhall.com ^ | 7/3/2014 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 07/03/2014 6:49:39 AM PDT by rktman

..... In support of bag bans, the Surfrider Foundation has posted a video that asserts, "Plastics kill 1.5 million marine animals each year."

"I have no idea where they got that number," Joel Baker, environmental science professor at the University of Washington, Tacoma, told me. He has assigned students to track down that number, and "the trail goes cold." ....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algorisms; ecowackos; gangreen; garbagepatch; hoax
"I have no idea where they got that number,". Maybe they got it were most lib/prog/socialist/commie/dimokkkrats get there "facts". They used the settled science of thin air supposition formulation calculation dissertation. And THAT, is a fact. Cause I said so. See how easy that is?
1 posted on 07/03/2014 6:49:39 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

I researched this after a conversation with a student going door to door collecting to save the dolphins and to my surprise found the truth is very far from the mountain of plastic bags and foam cups the size of Texas floating in the mid Pacific the kid described.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 6:55:01 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: rktman

Maybe they are counting zooplanktons and other micro-organisms?

Maybe PETA will take up the cause, I have been waiting for years for them to stand up for Yersinia Pestis’ rights.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 6:57:14 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: rktman

Unfortunate that people believe fear mongering hype regarding this B.S.

Just yesterday had a client, while out fishing with me, ask me about all the “trash” floating in the water and asked if it was from Japan.

I explained what he was looking at was kelp and floating wood.

Seriously, I feel as if I spend more of my time re-educating people about facts vs hype rather than focusing on fishing.


4 posted on 07/03/2014 6:58:03 AM PDT by gettinolder
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To: skeeter

I did the same thing if Florida years ago when some young skull full of mush came around collecting. After a few questions to him about the issue, it was painfully obvious that he knew nothing about it. I don’t know if I changed his mind or pointed him in a direction to do some looking of his own but I could hope I did.


5 posted on 07/03/2014 6:58:28 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: skeeter

Has anyone produced an actual photo of this mythical mountain of plastic. Apparently it is big enough to be seen from space.


6 posted on 07/03/2014 6:59:40 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: rktman
"I have no idea where they got that number,"

Straight out of arse.

7 posted on 07/03/2014 7:06:41 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: sportutegrl

Google Earth it.


8 posted on 07/03/2014 7:13:07 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: gettinolder

I once found a bunch of trash on the Oregon coast; a lot of plastic bottles and containers from some Asian country. I don’t know how it got there.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 7:13:26 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Gunpowder green

and these same scientific illiterates have no problem slaughtering eagles, other birds, and bats by using their environmentally questionable, inefficient wind farms and killing people by forcing car companies to build lighter cars for efficiency.


10 posted on 07/03/2014 7:13:45 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: rktman
"I have no idea where they got that number,".

Completely different topic, but I believe they found the same thing with the classic "You should drink 8 glasses of water a day". There is no basis for this. It may be a good idea, but there is no data which supports that number. It's just something people say.

A lot of what passes for science isn't science.

11 posted on 07/03/2014 7:16:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: Rusty0604

That Oregon coast is some of the most beautiful country on this earth.


12 posted on 07/03/2014 7:16:45 AM PDT by gettinolder
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To: bravo whiskey

I give anything for cars built without all of the electronics and safety BS, made of steel. They’d be simpler, easy to fix, and more fun to own.

I saw a ‘28 Model A for sale this weekend for 18,500. the engine was so simple anyone could repair it themselves. A simple car could likely be manufactured and sold for a small fraction of what new cars go for today.


13 posted on 07/03/2014 7:17:57 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: ClearCase_guy

The New England Journal of Medicine printed the “8 glasses of water a day” line in a study they did. It went on to point out that anything with water in it can be counted. Juices, coffee, tea and even cokes. But for some reason that part was never reproduced. Probably omitted by anti-capitalists. And as you know, doctors believe anything they read but they don’t read everything. They’re still pushing the low fat diet crap.

I recently had a urologist tell me 64 oz of water a day is way too much.


14 posted on 07/03/2014 7:24:53 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: gettinolder

It is.


15 posted on 07/03/2014 7:27:00 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: rktman

If they were in the engineering program that term would be referred to as SWAG (stupid wild ass guess)!


16 posted on 07/03/2014 7:34:04 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: VerySadAmerican
I recently had a urologist tell me 64 oz of water a day is way too much.

While my wife's urologist tells her that "it's almost impossible to drink too much water"

She easily drinks 6 to 8, 500Ml plastic bottles a day.

17 posted on 07/03/2014 7:40:34 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (1 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. Psalm 50 v 10)
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To: shotgun

LOL! In my 36 years working of the space shuttle, there were more SWAGs than I can count.


18 posted on 07/03/2014 7:40:40 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Sorry. Disagree on this one. Have a good friend in merchant marine and over the years he has talked about, and shown me evidence of, the ruining of the ocean. I’ve also done a mountain of reading on this. This is killing the oceans.

Now of course, the Left will use these facts to do something bizarre, but that doesn’t make the underlying facts untrue

Not everything to preserve the environment is hugging a tree.


19 posted on 07/03/2014 8:03:40 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: rktman
I have no idea where they got that number.

Perhaps student are learning what they are taught about doctoring data to fit your agenda.

From the Florida Math Assessment test for 7th graders:

Classic…creating data to match your hypothesis.

20 posted on 07/03/2014 8:12:03 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled sciience.)
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To: rktman

Sometimes that’s all you have to go on and it leads you in the direction for the proper solution. Afterall, as engineers, and not scientists, that’s what they pay us for!


21 posted on 07/03/2014 8:13:57 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: rktman

80% of all statistics are made up, on the spot.


22 posted on 07/03/2014 8:22:05 AM PDT by subterfuge (Hey NSA snoop, get a real job you idiot!)
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To: rktman

What!!!??? ... another leftist myth down the tubes? Lefties start these things, and they become “proven” facts in no time. My own study says 99% of leftist speech results in gaseous emissions that are harmful to at least 95% of humanity. Ban leftists is my solution. Let them try to disprove my uh scientific study.


23 posted on 07/03/2014 8:23:59 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: gettinolder

It’s the seriousness of the charge rather than the nature of the evidence.


24 posted on 07/03/2014 8:25:18 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: VerySadAmerican
"anything with water"

Many years ago I had an argument with a woman who claimed that you had to drink pure water (no juices or other drinks) to get water. I told her every drink is largely composed of water. She wasn't sure about that, she thought she heard that they didn't count. Some time later she saw me and admitted I was right.

25 posted on 07/03/2014 8:28:17 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

While there is no doubt that the trashy oceans are a problem, the left likes to enhance their “findings” to make the problem appear more, uh, problematic.


26 posted on 07/03/2014 8:34:32 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Leftists make their own mess by exaggerating everything from global warming, population growth, plastic in the ocean, sex assaults on college campi, and virtually everything else. They are incapable of telling the truth about a matter.


27 posted on 07/03/2014 8:39:12 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

“a woman who claimed that you had to drink pure water (no juices or other drinks) to get water. “

Hah!
Did she also sign the petition to ban di hydrogen monoxide?!

And to think these people are allowed to vote!


28 posted on 07/03/2014 8:42:13 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: rktman
Actually, my scientific research (there now, that's settled) indicates that plastics kill 1.65 million marine animals per year.

I.7 BILLION diatoms can fit into one plastic water bottle, with Perrier being the worst. This is settled science. But one simply must have a couple of these bottles tucked into the Spandex ... it's just that the peasants and Conservatives must be encouraged not to use them

29 posted on 07/03/2014 8:46:29 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Should the line connecting the points be positively or negatively sloped? Maybe the fish are being endangered by a food source that causes obesity.


30 posted on 07/03/2014 8:47:51 AM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: Rusty0604

currents are clockwise in the northern hemisphere


31 posted on 07/03/2014 8:51:42 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"You should drink 8 glasses of water a day".

Other than the occasional sip from the school drinking fountain, I don't recall EVER drinking water at home.

We had our own well and it was iron water.....awfull tasting stuff.

32 posted on 07/03/2014 9:18:42 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: rktman
And then we have Ninety-nine percent of the ocean's plastic is missing
33 posted on 07/03/2014 9:23:23 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
We had our own well and it was iron water.....awfull tasting stuff.

I grew up with that kind of well water, but got used to it. I did not have my first dental cavity until I was in my late 50s. The dentist said the minerals in the water may have had a lot to do with that.

34 posted on 07/03/2014 12:08:44 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Not everything to preserve the environment is hugging a tree.

Nor is your "gut feelings" or the biases based on your familiarity/ignorance of science or interest therein.

The excesses and perversions of science by a surplus of enthusiasm and political correctness, based on nothing, has been painfully evident in the last couple of decades, when dealing with "global warming" or whatever new name they have attached to it this week to keep the ignorant scared about the end of the world.

Extrapolations and "computer models" are the truly ignorant's tools for arguing about subjects no one really understands; other than "it must be really bad!"

35 posted on 07/03/2014 5:21:28 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: sportutegrl
Has anyone produced an actual photo of this mythical mountain of plastic. Apparently it is big enough to be seen from space.

Too much imbibing in illegal substances will create "facts" such as this one.
Totally made up and never substantiated.

Doesn't prevent the totally ignorant from getting all excersized.

36 posted on 07/03/2014 5:24:13 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Rusty0604
I once found a bunch of trash on the Oregon coast; a lot of plastic bottles and containers from some Asian country. I don’t know how it got there.

Occam's Razor suggests a passing ship.
The maritime traffic between the orient and the West coast is huge...

37 posted on 07/03/2014 5:25:55 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: gettinolder
That Oregon coast is some of the most beautiful country on this earth.

Now there's a really useful contribution to this thread...

38 posted on 07/03/2014 5:27:39 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Graybeard58
While my wife's urologist tells her that "it's almost impossible to drink too much water"

I suppose that explains why, from time to time, we read about another death by drinking too much water, by nut jobs or "jackass" types.

39 posted on 07/03/2014 5:30:25 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: morphing libertarian
currents are clockwise in the northern hemisphere>

Now that's scientific!
Makes them all leftist, no?

40 posted on 07/03/2014 5:33:45 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911
I suppose that explains why, from time to time, we read about another death by drinking too much water, by nut jobs or "jackass" types

Well, there you go, I suppose that's why he qualified his remark with "almost".

41 posted on 07/03/2014 6:13:14 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (1 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. Psalm 50 v 10)
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To: gettinolder

“I explained what he was looking at was kelp...”

You mean those Japanese just toss their unwanted food into the ocean!?


42 posted on 07/03/2014 6:15:35 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: shotgun

In school we learned about the “right hand rule” regarding electromagnetics.

We also learned about the “left hand rule”. If something doesn’t seem right with regard to a number, it might be his left hand is a bit stinky.


43 posted on 07/03/2014 6:18:23 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: RIghtwardHo
I always wonder how much pollution is caused by recycling our pc’s, printers, tv’s, etc. Most of them get shipped back to China, torn apart and melted down to get the metals, and most of the rest gets tossed somewhere. I recall one photo showing half-naked kids stripping them down, piles of crap all over, and melting fires amongst their shanties. Dumping them in a good-old sealed American landfill would probably be better for the environment.
44 posted on 07/03/2014 6:22:00 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: publius911

Thank you.


45 posted on 07/03/2014 9:19:26 PM PDT by gettinolder
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