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Many Ukrainian Seek Refuge In Russia
Wall Street Journal ^ | 7/2/2014 | Paul Sonne

Posted on 07/03/2014 6:55:43 AM PDT by wonkowasright

When the neighbor's dog was killed by artillery fire, it was time to go.

Oksana Vasilieva was in the kitchen of her home on Comintern Street in the Ukrainian city of Slovyansk in late May as the shelling of her neighborhood began. She screamed for the children to run outside and then herded them into the cellar.

When they emerged, the neighbors' house had been hit. So had their sandy-brown dog, its dead body mangled in the remnants of a destroyed metal fence. She boarded an evacuation bus and fled to Russia.

"I'm not going to return," Ms. Vasilieva, 36 years old, said outside the one-room bunk she has been sharing with her mother and daughter in a refugee facility at a summer camp on the Azov Sea. "It's a dead city."

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Ukraine's new pro-Western government has failed to persuade the locals otherwise or win their trust. ...

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is guaranteeing amnesty for those who put down their weapons and haven't committed grave crimes, but many refugees don't believe the promise.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: ukraine
Normally when newly elected leaders who rise to power on the heels of civil unrest turn around and start shelling civilians homes and creating floods of refugees we call the evil despotic regimes.....

Unless of course we are supporting them in which case we call it democracy in action. This is madness. Just because our govt supports it doesn't make it right. Benghazi.... isis.... etc our govt right now is supporting nonsense.

As a conservative I believe we have not only a domestic mess but also we are erring greatly abroad.

1 posted on 07/03/2014 6:55:43 AM PDT by wonkowasright
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To: wonkowasright
Poroshenko is just cleansing Ukraine of ethnic Russians.
2 posted on 07/03/2014 7:18:05 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: wonkowasright

When Russia is encouraging Communists and pro-Russians to overthrow the Kiev government, Kiev has all right to stop them.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 8:04:58 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: McGruff
"Poroshenko is just cleansing Ukraine of ethnic Russians "

Oh well so long as its only ethnic russians.... bomb their homes shoot their dogs maim their children..... REALLY ?!

This is the type of warfare isis and jihadis use. Vikings raiders might approve.....

It surely isnt what our nation used to stand for....
4 posted on 07/03/2014 8:19:16 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Thunder90

There was a legitimate govt an elected govt that was overthrown via force and this then installed. Then those upset at the coup were denounced for resistance and now their old ladys homes are being shelled dogs killed children put to flight.

Or would BLM be correct to shell the homes of the ranchers here ?


5 posted on 07/03/2014 8:22:06 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright; McGruff

Poroshenko is doing no such thing. There is no “cleansing” going on any more so than in the US. It is Russian propoganda meant to further destabilize the Ukranian government and their citizens who have rejected the communism and control of Russia.


6 posted on 07/03/2014 8:23:17 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson

The Wall Street Journal is now Russian propaganda ?

Oy.


7 posted on 07/03/2014 8:25:53 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Thunder90
When Russia is encouraging Communists and pro-Russians to overthrow the Kiev government, Kiev has all right to stop them.

What about us overthrowing Ukraine's government. Was that ok with you?

McCain Tells Ukraine Protesters ‘America Is With You’ - Dec 15, 2013

8 posted on 07/03/2014 8:30:40 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: wonkowasright

the WSJ didn’t claim Poroshenko was “cleansing” the Ukraine of ethnic Russians. The poster you responded to did.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 8:33:47 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson

No it just said he was shelling their houses and making them run for their lives.

Whats the difference ?


10 posted on 07/03/2014 8:56:45 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

They wanted to be Russian so bad, now they have their chance.


11 posted on 07/03/2014 9:22:21 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So shelling vilagers holding wrong political views is ok with you ?

When I was young and boyscouts were popular we didnt blow up the homes of people we disagreed with. In those days that was done by commies and despots. Have we fallen so far we now view this as ok ?


12 posted on 07/03/2014 10:26:44 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

Maybe the Russian terrorists should have thought about the consequences before they started a war.


13 posted on 07/03/2014 11:45:08 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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These peoples homes are now terrorist ?

This is BLM logic.


14 posted on 07/03/2014 12:29:32 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

“War is Hell.”


15 posted on 07/03/2014 12:49:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Shelling old ladies aint war


16 posted on 07/03/2014 1:05:20 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

What they need over there are some Peacekeepers. And they might get some soon. Just not the ones most want. Russian ones.


17 posted on 07/03/2014 1:11:02 PM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: wonkowasright

General Sherman shelled Atlanta and won the war. The Russkie terrorists are as foolish as the Confederate terrorists who plunged the USA into war and they will meet the same fate.


18 posted on 07/03/2014 1:23:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“General Sherman shelled Atlanta and won the war.”

I never thought Sherman was a good role model, and neither did any of Dixie.


19 posted on 07/03/2014 2:57:26 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

For those who want to win wars, he’s a great role model.


20 posted on 07/03/2014 4:22:49 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Sarah was right.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In Ukraine Bandera is official model hero. They are scanting often “Heil to heroes”, “Ukraine is above all”. I watch sometimes Ukrainian TV.


21 posted on 07/04/2014 3:39:47 AM PDT by Cossak
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To: wonkowasright

Elderly women fleeing to safety in Russia in the middle of he night....dogs dying....children crying .... what load of Russian bullcrap propaganda.

The Ukraine govt is at war with Russians who have invaded Ukraine and are terrorizing the populace. What should they do just let these Russian hired thugs kill all Ukrainians and take still more Ukrainian territory?


22 posted on 07/05/2014 7:05:43 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

So you are saying the Wall Street Journal is now publishing Russian propaganda ?


23 posted on 07/05/2014 8:17:31 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

The WSJ is a propaganda rag...you read this Russian bullcrap propaganda right?


24 posted on 07/06/2014 10:50:48 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: wonkowasright

Russia is compiling a pretty good case for the Ukraine leadership’s committing war crimes but the UN won’t do a thing about it. They are to busy condemning the Israelis any chance they get.


25 posted on 07/06/2014 11:00:01 AM PDT by McGruff (It's not the crime, it's the cover-up they said.)
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To: free_life

LOL... Thanks.....

So, as we all agree the usual stable of CNN/NBC/CBS/ABC/whatnot are unreliable.

Now you add Rupert Murdoch’s publications to the propaganda outlets. Wall Street Journal, reporting this, and the same stories appeared in Fox News too. Must we now cross Fox news off the list too.

Where does one in your view get his news a crystal ball ?


26 posted on 07/06/2014 11:56:10 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: McGruff

Oh indeed that is true. Remember when the former Ukraine leadership used teargas on protestors in Kiev ? The stories were non stop how oppressed the protestors were and how severe the leadership was. The next regime starts artillery barrages, aerial bombardments, tanks and all the rest and its all about how reasonable the new leadership is.

Can you have imagined the press if the previous leadership had used artillery on the “rebels” in Kiev ?

Its so transparent that this is not about what is done but rather about who gets to do it. EU and NATO are now shelling civilians and calling it democracy. This is as mad as siding with BLM had they opened fire on the ranchers. But because we fund it we are supposed to support it ?

Its topsy turvey now.


27 posted on 07/06/2014 12:00:23 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

There are plenty of reliable sources for getting the facts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the paid Russian psychopaths terrorizing the the people of eastern Ukraine, without repeating the Kremlin propaganda.

Hint: RT and WSJ are not reliable sources.


28 posted on 07/06/2014 1:28:27 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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