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Iraqi capital nervously awaits Isis attack
FT ^ | July 1, 2014 | Borzou Daragahi

Posted on 07/03/2014 8:51:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Edited on 07/03/2014 8:58:36 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]


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KEYWORDS: baghdad; iraqmeltdown; isis
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1 posted on 07/03/2014 8:51:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’s coming. It’s definitely coming.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 8:52:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I wonder where exactly Baghdadi is


3 posted on 07/03/2014 8:52:58 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

All the blood we spilled now appears to have been in vain.

If you look at the actions of our government you see everywhere the establishment of a militant form of islam with us engaging in actions that allow it, prevent it from being stopped.

Its undeniable.

The old adage of politics stops at the waters edge has apparently gone up in flames. There is definitely politics beyond, and much of what we are doing abroad is wrong.


4 posted on 07/03/2014 8:59:43 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m nervous when I have to go to a function, like a funeral or a wedding or a new job. I

When I’m waiting for radical jihadists to come and destroy everything, gee, I don’t know if I’m using the word ‘nervous’

But, the news does feel the need to make these guys benign


5 posted on 07/03/2014 9:00:03 PM PDT by stanne
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To: GeronL
I say we send in the man that killed bin Laden. some_text
6 posted on 07/03/2014 9:00:22 PM PDT by boycott
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To: MinorityRepublican

I am interested in what China will do. They need the oil, and have contracts with the current government. If their deal goes south, what will they do?


7 posted on 07/03/2014 9:05:29 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: wonkowasright

All the blood we spilled now appears to have been in vain.


I don’t believe we should ever go anywhere again unless we’re willing to blast them to the stone age.

Politicians will never let us win ..... even after we’ve won. If there is nothing left, we don’t have to worry about them being trouble down the road.

I believe some like dragging wars out because it’s good for business. To me, it’s just not worth the loss of American lives.


8 posted on 07/03/2014 9:06:21 PM PDT by boycott
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To: MinorityRepublican

I still want to know who brought about this ISIS gang of thuds who was unknown until a couple weeks ago and who’s paying for it. I highly suspect this admin created it and our tax dollars are supporting it.

As for Iraq being nervous, where the heck is their army? Or are they waiting for us to send a check and more American lives to sacrifice for their pleasure.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 9:09:07 PM PDT by bgill
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To: MinorityRepublican
... The more and more I have watched events unfold both in America and abroad .... the more and more the following scenario in the video begins to make sense. Years ago I would have passed this off as a mere conspiracy theory ... but now I am left scratching my head. Who is really sitting in the Oval Office?

Click to view video

10 posted on 07/03/2014 9:10:06 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: bgill

When ISIS throws everything they got at the capital, will the Iraqi Army simply melt away?


11 posted on 07/03/2014 9:11:59 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: R_Kangel

Good video. Thanks.

Obama is pure Evil and we haven’t seen anything yet.


12 posted on 07/03/2014 9:15:07 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

IS can turn off the water...
or blow up the dams

go IS .


13 posted on 07/03/2014 9:17:42 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: laplata
.... We are now living in a very "Alternate America" than our founders could ever have imagined. We have been compromised from within .... AND possibly ... from the top.

.... BTW ... Happy Independence Day.

14 posted on 07/03/2014 9:20:40 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: R_Kangel

Yep, everything is upside down and backwards.

Happy Independence Day to you, too.


15 posted on 07/03/2014 9:23:25 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

They may, but the Mahdi Army won’t. The thing is they hate Americans as much as they hate Sunnis, so putting a company of our guys right between the sides at the airport might not go down in history as one of warfare’s most brilliant tactical decisions.


16 posted on 07/03/2014 9:25:47 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: R_Kangel

>Who is really sitting in the Oval Office?<

.
Ask Nancy Pelosi — she vetted him.


17 posted on 07/03/2014 9:32:39 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Vince Ferrer
I am interested in what China will do. They need the oil, and have contracts with the current government. If their deal goes south, what will they do?

China doesn't need to do a thing. ISIS, once it takes over, will happily confirm those contracts. They need to sell oil! And China is a very good customer, with infinite funding and with infinite demand. Why would ISIS cancel the deal?

18 posted on 07/03/2014 9:35:12 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: MinorityRepublican; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Liz
I was a Bush/Cheney/neocon Koolaid drinker in 2002 and 2003 when they pitched the invasion and all those empty claims,
I even went out on a limb then and told some friends to trust them on this invasion .....

By late 2006 when Bush canned Rummy, and he announced what they been doing was not working (GWB:"Stay the course") and that we really needed a surge in troops and $$$ (asking it from the new Pelosi house),
I then realized what a scam the whole thing was, and how these neocons would bring us Democrats in charge of the US abandoning it all Iraq anyways with all that $$ and those US lives wasted.

Abandon Iraq after all that and we got Obamacare and millions of new illegals anyway, and gay marriage and open homo stuff in military,

Wave the flag ?

19 posted on 07/03/2014 9:38:45 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Greysard
Why would ISIS cancel the deal?

If the fields have been damaged, or if the flow of oil gets disrupted for a long time due to intense fighting over the region. Its probably the one of the few regions the shiites will fight hard for.

20 posted on 07/03/2014 9:39:33 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: MinorityRepublican
When ISIS throws everything they got at the capital, will the Iraqi Army simply melt away?

The brave Sir Robin Iraqi Army melted away when the US Army was making its way to Baghdad. That was when Saddam was a fearsome figure, and when punishment for desertion would be ... let's say, uncomfortable.

Today the Iraqi Army is not even sure who is in charge in Baghdad anymore. When ISIS makes their move, the rulers of Baghdad will be on the first (and probably last) airplane out of there, direct to Europe. Who in his right mind would be fighting, killing, and dying for ... for who? For what ideals? They are all Muslims there; and a common man doesn't really care one way or another, as long as ISIS is not too bloodthirsty. (There are some indications that they might be.) That ancient land saw many rulers over many centuries of written history. Nothing of what is happening today is new there. Just another tyrant replaced by another tyrant, same as the old one.

21 posted on 07/03/2014 9:42:52 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Vince Ferrer

China said on Thursday it was preparing to help evacuate a small number of people working for Chinese companies in Iraq, and repeated an offer to help Iraq fight terrorism though it declined to say if it would provide military support.

China has long upheld the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries and has not, in recent decades, sent military forces to directly intervene in foreign crises, though its military does participate in U.N. peace keeping operations and anti-piracy patrols off Somalia.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/19/us-iraq-security-china-idUSKBN0EU0TU20140619

Meanwhile they have been making deals with Russia.


22 posted on 07/03/2014 9:46:00 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Vince Ferrer
If the fields have been damaged, or if the flow of oil gets disrupted for a long time due to intense fighting over the region. Its probably the one of the few regions the shiites will fight hard for.

So far it doesn't appear that Shiites are in fighting mood. It's impossible to tell conclusively from the other side of the planet. We'll know soon enough. ISIS cannot remain in holding pattern forever - they are losing momentum with every passing day, and the regime in Baghdad is receiving arms from the USA and Russia.

23 posted on 07/03/2014 9:48:43 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: MinorityRepublican

I suggest they organize a heavily armed welcoming committee.


24 posted on 07/03/2014 9:55:23 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sickoflibs

I think where we made the mistake was, after bombing Iraq and Afghanistan, we stayed so many years babysitting. Should have bombed the targets and leave. It will take them a few years to regroup. Then, one little threat from them, bomb again.

We can never turn them. We just need to save ourselves.


25 posted on 07/03/2014 10:00:04 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: MinorityRepublican

This article seems to have vanished from the FT site. Wonder why?


26 posted on 07/03/2014 10:21:28 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Rusty0604; MinorityRepublican; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Liz
RE:”I think where we made the mistake was, after bombing Iraq and Afghanistan, we stayed so many years babysitting. Should have bombed the targets and leave. It will take them a few years to regroup. Then, one little threat from them, bomb again. We can never turn them. We just need to save ourselves.”

Thats the idea.
Either bombing or some other limited do-able objectives.

But the GWBush, Cheney, McCain, Grahamnesty Republicans were not thinking of those at the time 2003 of selling the invasion.

No, they were busy making the sales pitch for the war, it would be cheap, easy, happy, like liberating France.

The sales pitch for Iraq invasion and occupation was like Obama’s sales pitch for Obamacare. 99% win only 1% loses. But in both cases we all lost(except Federal workers) .

27 posted on 07/03/2014 10:26:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Vince Ferrer

Hadn’t thought about that. Maybe they’re working with the Russians who are now about to provide air cover. Wouldn’t surprise me if they already have advisors there. Completely cut out soetoro and the Americans.


28 posted on 07/03/2014 10:30:52 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: sickoflibs

That is Kacka and you know it.
They were correct on the weapons of Mass Destruction which were sent to Libya with Russia’s help while we went through all of this “coalition bullsh#it. Bush may have been wrongheaded or too optimistic about these heathens but he was/is not a brutha like zero.


29 posted on 07/03/2014 10:33:11 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Rusty0604
China has long upheld the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries and has not, in recent decades, sent military forces to directly intervene in foreign crises, though its military does participate in U.N. peace keeping operations and anti-piracy patrols off Somalia.

But it is interfering with the claims of other nations in the South China Sea and building man made islands to bolster their own claims, and start drilling in Vietnamese territory because they fell like it. They are certainly willing to fight over oil.

30 posted on 07/03/2014 10:36:37 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: acapesket; Rusty0604; MinorityRepublican; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; ...
RE:”That is Kacka and you know it.
They were correct on the weapons of Mass Destruction which were sent to Libya with Russia’s help while we went through all of this “coalition bullsh#it. Bush may have been wrongheaded or too optimistic about these heathens but he was/is not a brutha like zero.”

It depends on what you call WMDs.

Obviously Bush/Cheney/Rummy decided that warning that Iraq had WWI surplus mustard gas wouldn't scare Americans into approving of invading Iraq.

So they went on Sunday shows warning of coming mushroom clouds over US cities if we didnt invade, and claiming that we would be welcomed as liberators, and that Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction.

Much like Obama with Obamacare sales pitch. All free and happy/

31 posted on 07/03/2014 10:49:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs

YA…kinda what ISIS took from Syria. I lost four people in my little town from 9/11.

You a Superman Libertarian or sump thin’


32 posted on 07/03/2014 10:53:22 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: wonkowasright
....”much of what we are doing abroad is wrong”....

To those leading the charge it's not a matter of right or wrong, that simply isn't even a consideration. It's about who/what nations, and nation groups, are going to run things when the dust finally settles.

US/EU, China and Russia are all players in this game and each attempting to sabotage the others advances. While they all attempt to court the Asian groups to side with them.

What we're seeing is a re-structuring of the nations to conform to the New World Order agenda.... The US knows it has to neutralize Russia's relationship with the EU....and that Ukraine is the pivot point....which is why they have no problem bombing the daylights out of the East no matter the death toll....Russia knows this.

Iran and the Saudi's are fighting Proxy wars among themselves to see who will be the Leader of their Caliphate....

And IMO the massive illegals now coming over our borders will eventually show the plan for the America's to be one block. The uprising in Argentina is also our doing.

The game is all about the World Stage and who gets the power and revenues and resources...and with this ultimate control.

33 posted on 07/03/2014 10:54:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: Vince Ferrer

China will do what it has been doing for several years now. They will sit it out, capitalize on our mistakes, and sign an agreement with whichever side wins. This is how the US used to conduct itself when it was a rising power.


34 posted on 07/03/2014 11:02:55 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: acapesket; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Liz
RE:”. I lost four people in my little town from 9/11.”

Its really terrible that I must break to you what the rest of the world learned nearly a decade ago, but Saddam had zero to do with 9/11. Talk radio was just making that up.

I was hoping that no-one still believed that rediculus claim.

No more sending millions of Americans to fight for muzzies who hate us, and certainly not to fight for Iran in this fight,

They got their own suicide bombers. Let them give their own kids lives for nothing for a change.

35 posted on 07/03/2014 11:06:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: acapesket
RE:”or sump thin’

LOL

36 posted on 07/03/2014 11:07:11 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs

Yes, I was duped into voting for W just like you. Now, I think that the Bush presidency was just another con job by our political class, the camel’s nose under the tent.

As far as homosexuals in the military, the republicans caved on that as well. Republicans will also eventually cave on immigration too, then our country will be overrun by 20 million illegals and another 20-30 million more of their relatives who will surely follow them.


37 posted on 07/03/2014 11:09:45 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: 3Fingas
RE:”Yes, I was duped into voting for W just like you. Now, I think that the Bush presidency was just another con job by our political class, the camel’s nose under the tent.
As far as homosexuals in the military, the republicans caved on that as well. Republicans will also eventually cave on immigration too, then our country will be overrun by 20 million illegals and another 20-30 million more of their relatives who will surely follow them.”

BUMP!

38 posted on 07/03/2014 11:11:44 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: sickoflibs

I listened to an interview from a Christian Doctor from Syria on the radio, and he was saying that Western countries don’t understand that their form of democracy doesn’t work in some places on earth.

He said that having a strong dictator to keep the radical Islamists out allowed everybody to live in relative peace.


39 posted on 07/03/2014 11:11:54 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604
RE:”I listened to an interview from a Christian Doctor from Syria on the radio, and he was saying that Western countries don’t understand that their form of democracy doesn’t work in some places on earth.
He said that having a strong dictator to keep the radical Islamists out allowed everybody to live in relative peace”

And unfortunately we learned that in Iraq and Afghanistan the hard way.,

It was such a wonderful dream that we give them the vote and next thing its apple pie and church on Sunday, but now we know it was delusional.

Notice that the Chinese know how to move into a country for $$$ for themselves.

40 posted on 07/03/2014 11:17:26 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: ArmstedFragg; MinorityRepublican

the iraqi soldiers defending the green zone were coming to work wearing civilian clothes under their uniforms 3 weeks ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/world/middleeast/american-intelligence-officials-said-iraqi-military-had-been-in-decline.html?_r=0

the green zone and us embassy are wide open to attack, the mahdi army is not going to come into a sunni neighbourhood to defend westerners in the green zone

the green zone walled perimeter is 4 miles, obama’s 500 soldiers is not nearly enough

AF is right, this is a disaster waiting to happen. ISIS now has access to captured weapons that may make a saigon helicopter evac impossible


41 posted on 07/03/2014 11:36:44 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Josey Wales asks: How is it with stains ?)
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To: bgill

This was created and initially funded by USA allies Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Then trained by the us in Jordan and given anti tank weapons by McCain


42 posted on 07/04/2014 3:15:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: bgill

The Iraqi army is useless. But the shia militias and the irani army are ready


43 posted on 07/04/2014 3:16:51 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Yes, but the shia militias and the Iranian army won’t


44 posted on 07/04/2014 3:17:49 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Greysard

They are NOT all Moslems. There were 2 million Christians there in 2003. Now there are 200,000. These are the remnants of the time when Iraq was one if the centers of the Christian world, with nearly all Christians. The ancient church of the east is still headquartered in Ctesiphon


45 posted on 07/04/2014 3:21:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: bgill

“I still want to know who brought about this ISIS gang of thuds who was unknown until a couple weeks ago and who’s paying for it. I highly suspect this admin created it and our tax dollars are supporting it.

As for Iraq being nervous, where the heck is their army? Or are they waiting for us to send a check and more American lives to sacrifice for their pleasure.”

Our government is not that smart


46 posted on 07/04/2014 4:14:49 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; GOPsterinMA

I tell you it’s like Iraq out here, boom boom boom (and fireworks aren’t legal here, people have to go to Indiana to get them), my poor old dog is terrified. I had no idea my neighbors loved America so much, maybe they would be interested in dying overseas for Shia Islam, err I mean “freedom”?


47 posted on 07/04/2014 10:43:34 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy; NFHale; GOPsterinMA
RE:”I tell you it’s like Iraq out here, boom boom boom (and fireworks aren’t legal here, people have to go to Indiana to get them), my poor old dog is terrified. I had no idea my neighbors loved America so much, maybe they would be interested in dying overseas for Shia Islam, err I mean “freedom”?”

Same here every year.

48 posted on 07/04/2014 11:32:41 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: MinorityRepublican

They may need a new leader for the Sunni Serial Killers, aka ISIS.

Hopefully, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has just met his 72 virgins, actually horney male camels, who were waiting for him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3176260/posts

Iraqi Isis Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ‘Severely Injured and Flees to Syria’

International Business Times ^ | 07/05/2014 | Vasudevan Sridharan

Posted on 7/5/2014 6:17:01 AM by SeekAndFind

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Sunni militant outfit Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis), is said to have been severely injured in the raging battle forcing him to flee to neighbouring Syria.

According to a report in the Iraqi news network Al Sumaria, the insurgent leader was injured during a raid led by Iraq’s Shiite-led security forces in the west of Anbar.

“The Iraqi security forces carried out an operation in the city of Qaim on the border with Syria based on accurate intelligence and with the help of the Air Force where the leader of ISIL, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi was seriously injured,” said Haidar al-Shara, a representative of the international parliament in Iraq.

However, the report has so far not been independently verified. If confirmed, it will be a severe blow to the militant group which has been marching on several Iraqi cities.

The Iraqi official said: “After being hit, al-Baghdadi, with a range of elements of his organisation fled into Syrian territory because of its proximity to Qaim,” adding: “al-Baghdadi might be killed as a result of the severity of his injuries.”


49 posted on 07/05/2014 10:32:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni Won-Doer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: 353FMG

Best reply of the day/week and maybe the month!

>Who is really sitting in the Oval Office?<

.
Ask Nancy Pelosi — she vetted him.


50 posted on 07/05/2014 10:33:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni Won-Doer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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