Skip to comments.Email: LOIS LERNER HARD DRIVE CRASH
Posted on 07/03/2014 11:07:16 PM PDT by SSS Two
From: Douglas, Akaisha
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:19 AM
To: Grant Joseph H; Medina Moises C; &TEGE:EO 1750 Penn Ees
CC: Cook Janine; Marks Nancy J; Livingston Catherine E; Ingram Sarah H; Flax Nicole C; Holland Tiwana M; Lemmons Terry L; Siereveld Brett L; Tesser Cheryl A
Subject: LOIS LERNER HARD DRIVE CRASH
Lois' hard drive has crashed on her computer and will be without email. If you need to contact Lois please call her at 202-283-8848. For immediate attention, contact Akaisha Douglas at 202-283-9488.
IRS, Exempt Organizations
[This email appears on page 24 of the linked .pdf]
I am a senior executive. If (and it has *never* happened) my hard drive crashed, this kind of broadcast email would never be sent. First of all, people who sent me emails would not be affected at all. They wouldn't need to know my hard drive crashed, and if they sent me emails, the server would accept them as usual. My IT guys would have a new PC up and running within a couple hours and I would be back in business. [In my organization, we are not to use our C: drives. I would not lose a single business-related computer file of any kind. I do have personal files on my C: drive like bank statements and documents related to when I refinanced a mortgage a couple years ago, but quite honestly, nothing would change for me if I lost those files.]
In those two hours or so it took the IT guys to set me up with a new PC, I would have access to my emails through multiple means. Again, no one would receive an email like this at all about my hard drive crashing. It also goes without saying that no mention of my email capability would be sent to anyone, either.
According to the IRS, current emails of IRS employees are received by the server. Ms. Lerner's email account would be able to receive emails even in the event of a hard drive crash. This notice -- particularly with its conspicuous mention of emails -- is extremely suspicious.
I agree, this is extra fishy. Why would your hard drive crashing affect the email other than the record keeping if it saves to the hard drive. You can still presumably access your email from any computer with the internet.
I continue to contend the entire thing is a massive cover-up job, and Obastard is intimately involved.
What does your hard drive have to do with emails?
Presumably what’s on your hard drive is your work product (documents, spreadsheets, etc.).
Email system is something run by the IT department, assuming it’s her work email address.
This looks like a p*ss poor attempt to create a documented record of the hard drive crash and relate it to email for the uninformed.
This is almost comic how stupid they are. This should be right up there with Bush one being surprised at a bar code checkout.
Nobody, would send out an email, to someone’s entire email list, saying I cannot be contacted by email because my computer crashed. Who in their right mind associates a computer crashing with, “I can no longer check my email from anywhere else”?
As the hip hop culture says,,,”bitch please,,”
But believers in Obama are buying it, because it is the best excuse they have to sell.
FWIW, as an IT guy, I can say that “her hard drive crashed” is meant to mean “her computer is unavailable”, and therefore “will be without email” means she only gets her emails through her own PC (though we now know this is false, since she had a Blackberry), and wouldn’t be able to read or respond to emails until her PC is back up.
Many of the executives I supported cared *only* about access to their email. Without it, many would at least claim they couldn’t work at all. Since Lerner was the head of the agency, she’s not likely to have much to do other than communicating with other management within the agency, and so access to her email is the only real issue with her PC crash.
From what I’ve come to understand, the IRS used Microsoft Exchange for their email system, and had just about the worst, least-useful data policy out there. Even senior executives like Lerner were only allocated 150MB for their mailbox, with no archive. Backups of the system were only kept 6 months, and then the tapes were overwritten. There was a policy in place that required all “relevant” emails to be printed off and preserved as hard copies, but “relevant” probably had a very plastic definition within the IRS, and it’s all too easy to “forget” to print off incriminating email that would look bad during a later investigation.
The whole thing stinks, and the IRS deserves to be hung out to dry. No ordinary member of the public facing IRS audit could ever get away with the kind of record-keeping the IRS feels is acceptable for its own operations.
They really think that this will “prove” that her email crashed? Even if we accepted it at face value, it would only succeed in making her more of a blithering idiot, than a full criminal. (which she is)
Lies, lies, lies. All they do is lie.
“In my organization, we are not to use our C: drives. I would not lose a single business-related computer file of any kind”
Not only best practice but pretty well standard practice, probably followed by the vast majority of networks having any more than a few dozen workstations.
Also, the specific reference to the hard drive failure is very, very unusual. I’m sure if you took a poll of I.T. Administrators virtually none ever get into specifics like that when sending out a notification of any kind of outage or failure.
In addition, I find it odd that only 14 people were notified and not a mass emailing to all her contacts.
If it’s a problem that the I.T techs can fix quickly, then no notification at all is required. Incoming emails would queue up and be delivered as soon as it was fixed. If not, then surely she would have had many dozens of contacts that should have been notified.
It’s called lying. It’s that simple.
What about the hard drives of every one of those people on the list?
Obviously all of her sent e-mails are in their in box and the e-mails to her are in their sent box.
IOW, all of her e-mails are somewhere other than her supposedly crashed hard drive.
“Without it, many would at least claim they couldnt work at all.”
Lawyers are like that too.
One thing about Exchange is attachments are kept separate from the emails. So if you send 20 copies of an email with an attachment to 20 different people, only one copy is kept in the Exchange data store, and not in the Exchange mailbox itself. Incoming is the same.
Therefore, while measly, 150 MB can hold a lot more emails than people might realize. We’re only talking about text - which doesn’t take up hardly any storage space at all.
So it’s definitely worth the effort to try and recover that data from the hard drive or tapes if they can find them. I don’t know about tapes, but it’s amazing what can be recovered from even a ‘wiped’ hard drive.
Or the printed copies they were supposed to keep for the important emails?
Or perhaps those recipients forwarded on copies to someone else?
It's a good question and one that I see coming up more and more but no action on from Issa.
Typical crap from the left. Lie after lie. They should all be sent to jail.
Give criminals enough time and they will concoct “evidence”.
PICK UP THE PACE.
And.. LOIS' OFFICE NOTIFIED CO-WORKERS BUT NOT THE APPROPRIATE RECORDS PEOPLE?
This is one of the biggest problems in DC. Give the rats enough time and they’ll create all kinds of bogus evidence. ARE THE RINOS GIVING THE DEMS ALL THIS TIME ON PURPOSE? HUH, ISSA?
These lies are so stupid that a child wouldn’t tell them.
I agree, this is a stupid email and fools nobody except those willing to be fooled.
If Ms Lerner wanted to access her email she could simply log in to ANOTHER computer. From there she could both send and receive email.
In the unlikely event that her computer actually did crash, when they gave her another one (since she was SES, that would be near immediately) to replace it, they would promptly restore all her software and access to any folders she had set up in the system (they’d be on the server with her emails).
Not to mention the fact that, if a hard drive did crash on a server, they are as easily replaceable as a toner cartridge is on a laser printer.
I am sure Ms. Douglas does not want to go to jail. She would be a good place to start with a subpoena.
People occasionally say to me, “ oh you have friends in high places” when I pull off a mind boggling organizational move. I say no, I have friends in low places. They usually know the systems better than their bosses and know where the bodies are buried.
I have e-mails dating back years.
I’m not a knowledgeable computer person, and I only researched hardware because I wanted to upgrade the guts of my friend’s 4-5 year old low-end gaming PC. But even I know the idea of “losing e-mail to a hard drive crash” is preposterous.
This needs to be vetted by Doug from Upland.
I have had hard drives crash with irretrievable data lost (with the exception of back-ups).
Still, I never sent a broad distribution e-mail to the effect that my computer had crashed. Only a select few, if any who might have sent e-mails which were downloaded very recently would be notified, if anyone.
The IRS e-mails were legally required to be backed up and preserved.
The documents should have been on the server when she got back up and running with another computer or hard drive, should have had separate back-ups, and should still, if official, have been present on another set of hard drives as well (those of the other computers sending or receiving the e-mails.
Multiple redundancies should have ensured these documents were not lost, as they are legally required to be preserved.
The absence of those e-mails isn't a case of "oops, my drive crashed", but the result of purging them from multiple computer systems.
What I’m wondering is whether the backed up MBX files in fact did contain those emails, but because it’s “too much bother to look for a particular email” they never tried restoring MBX files then scanning them.
I’m not so sure that it is a case of “too much bother” so much as a case of destroying evidence. The efforts to recover any information will be full of sound and fury, perhaps even frenzied activity, but will (intentionally) come to naught. Even IF the e-mails are found by someone within the administration, I’d bet those files will be (illegally) purged as well.
Yep—they’re trying to make sure nobody puts anything else incriminating in their email records.
I’d say that gives us a pretty good idea of at least 14 more IRS employees in on the criminality.
Lerner wasn’t the head of the agency, just of this particular ‘criminal enterprise’.
Could this possibly be from the same people who brought us the Obamacare computer screw up? Could this be their/Michelle's deliberate misinformation?
So, I’m wondering exactly how they inserted this email retroactively into the time stream. Did they just reset the clock on the desktop? Did the change the complete system clock for a few seconds? My guess is when Congress demands access to the server logs, they’ll ‘lose’ that one too.
“You can still presumably access your email from any computer with the internet.”
Not necessarily with their setup. The I.T. department would have had to set up OWA (Outlook Web Access). It’s not like they were using gmail.
Edited the timestamp.
You can go in to a specific text stream and change times/dates but then it becomes just a text in essence. If this is what they are providing, then it is meaningless.
You can reset your computer clock and it will do all the resetting of any new emails with the old date, but when ‘sent’ anywhere that are overhead handshakes between the servers that process the transmission are not changed.
It would be difficult to make it completely chronologically pure as that would require resetting all the servers that touch it along the way. If they are asked to show this ‘trail’ my guess is that they will stonewall this harder than this hard drive crash crap, because if they are caught screwing with the entire system that way, that smacks of just plain old treason.
So the IRS expects us to believe their emails are not routed through a server and archived? In healthcare, even my emails are subject to regulatory storage and retention standards. So we either have an IRS that is working on a 1985 email system. Or liars. What version of Bill Gates government software are they running? Are they still on DOS mail?
Even if her hard drive crashed all the people she sent emails to would have them. Trust me, emails that might cause trouble down the road are usually saved and sometimes printed out.
If the head of the IRS cannot get IT support then they should be shut down for a period until they become accountable again. Maybe they use the same people that created healthcare.gov.
between this, the VA and Benghazi, all the evidence leads me to believe they are liars.
I agree too, (have been in the computer business for about 40 years).
Fake but accurate? Shades of Gunga Dan!
This so openly phony, worse than the phony Obama birth certificate.
You need to be educated about this. You have fallen for the media induced fable that Bush 41 was "out of touch". Bush 41 was being shown a reader that could read TORN bar codes. He was completely familiar with bar code readers. In fact, that's why he was even shown the new technology for reading torn bar codes.
Has anyone referenced the significance of the date June 13, 2011 relative to anything?
Final testing before shipment from the manufacturer gets most of the infant mortality end of the "bath tub" curve, and those shipped are very, very stable.
To have, as we are told, six similar "crashes" is statistically not possible.
Oh, first computer - IBM 650 (bi-quinary) with mercury-delay lines (think big shift register) and drum storage, circa late 1950s.
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I work for a verrrry small, 6-person consulting firm. We’re also not exactly the most tech-savvy operation.
I’ve had various computer crashes and problems, including a notebook stolen in a car breakin, over the years.
Never lost a single email. Lost quite a bit of other stuff, but never email. I’m not even sure what I’d have to do to lose email.
Resetting the server clock would cause all kinds of problems including accessing the domain servers which I assume the Exchange server wasn’t - that is not a recommended configuration. That it turn would mean logins to the Exchange server would fail.
A significant time differential on a LAN causes connection failures. That very problem has come up here with FReepers asking for assistance as to why computers could not connect with each other, the solution simply being to check/update the date/times.
I believe the workstation clock would not come into play at all with MS Exchange.
If the email (notifying of the hard drive “failure”) recipients were internal, which I assume they were, then the situation is vastly simpler because there would be no other mail server involved.
I wouldn’t know how to do it off the top of my head, but there are a number of low-level tools for working with MS Exchange and do believe that the timestamps could be edited and doubt that regardless of whether or not it would work, there would be any other way to accomplish back-dating, including resetting computer clocks.
“Has anyone referenced the significance of the date June 13, 2011 relative to anything?”
Yeah, my first thought also....