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crosscut.com ^ | 6/30/2014 | John Carlson

Posted on 07/04/2014 5:41:43 AM PDT by rktman

Is there common ground for supporters of gun rights and gun control to stop random, senseless shootings in this country? Perhaps.

Hours after the awful shooting at Seattle Pacific University, Mayor Ed Murray appeared on campus and said, “Once again the epidemic of gun violence has come to Seattle — the epidemic of gun violence that is haunting this nation.” Other politicians, activists and liberal clergy echoed his words.

It will surprise the mayor and many other people to learn that gun violence isn’t rising in America, it’s falling. In fact, it’s plummeting. Gun deaths are down nearly 40 percent in the last 20 years, despite an increase in population and a rise in gun ownership. The Bureau of Justice Statistics points out an even more dramatic number: Non-fatal gun crimes free-fell 69 percent during that same period.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; dropadimelaw; guncontrolnazis; mentalhealth
Well, actually it WOULDN'T surprise the mare and all his buddies at "mares against your rights". They know the stats but those are contrary to their goals so they just keep crankin' out the 200 mass shootings/day crap and the lsm puts it out there for the no/low infos to gobble up.

Happy 4th. Be safe and have fun.

1 posted on 07/04/2014 5:41:43 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

“It will surprise the mayor and many other people to learn that gun violence isn’t rising in America, it’s falling.”.......

You’ll never see that in the liberal news.


2 posted on 07/04/2014 5:45:35 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: DaveA37

Nope. Ya gotta actually do some investigating to find out this info. LOL! Like going to the doj stats pages. Really hard for those intrepid reporters to find the time for such arduous work.


3 posted on 07/04/2014 5:49:20 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Gotta gun?

Betcha I would have NO PROBLEM finding a shrink to call you CRAZY!!!

Gotta carry permit?? MOST OF THEM would.


4 posted on 07/04/2014 5:52:17 AM PDT by Flintlock (woul)
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To: rktman

The mentally ill sociopaths in government use our tax dollars to pay others to carry their arms, as their propagandists attempt to separate us from ours…all the while coddling the lesser mentally ill sociopaths.


5 posted on 07/04/2014 5:53:25 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Flintlock

Exactly.


6 posted on 07/04/2014 5:56:44 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi)
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To: rktman
"...epidemic of gun violence..."

Well, first, we have to understand what it really is, "mentally ill violence", but that won't fit the meme of the gun-grabbers.

It was the liberal's idea to free the nuts from the mental wards ("It's inhumane to keep them locked up!!") and that created the homeless "problem", which they promptly blamed on Reagan.

Never mind that most of them actually prefer to be on the street rather than in shelters (which are deplorable, but again, the libs say, "At least we're trying!!" - Blech).

The rest are free to live at home with family but are still nuttier than a fruitcake and need serious guidance. You know, like liberals do!

7 posted on 07/04/2014 5:58:46 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: rktman

It’s tough to pass laws that will protect you from random and senseless acts of violence. But there is always some idiot, grandstanding politician that claims they will make us safer by restricting everyone’s rights.


8 posted on 07/04/2014 6:04:10 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: rktman
Gun deaths are down nearly 40 percent in the last 20 years, despite an increase in population and a rise in gun ownership.

Let me be the first to correct the author

Gun deaths are down nearly 40 percent in the last 20 years, despite an increase in population and BECAUSE OF a rise in gun ownership.

9 posted on 07/04/2014 6:09:53 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (TRICKLE DOWN TYRANNY is trickling down from President Obama to his minions)
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To: Flintlock

According to the thought process(?) of libs/progs/commies/socialists/dimokkkrats, just the mere thought of possessing a firearm are grounds for being labled kah-ray-zee. Hmm, so where do gabby and mark kelley-giffords fall in that case? We know they support the 2nd Amendment right? ;>}


10 posted on 07/04/2014 6:14:58 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Under the new DSM-V there are so many mental illnesses and so many criteria for those mental illnesses that virtually everyone on the planet can be diagnosed with a clinical mental disorder.


11 posted on 07/04/2014 6:15:37 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Balding_Eagle

And a huge rise it has been. I don’t know the exact numbers but some reports that 48% of households have firearms? So, with all the firearms purchases, looks like somebody must be trying to replace weapons lost in boating accidents. ;>}


12 posted on 07/04/2014 6:17:51 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: P-Marlowe

Roger that. Gotta be careful what you mention to your doctor, the nurse, the PA or anyone else associated with your health care. If I got a hang-nail, they don’t need to know if I’m depressed because of it. ;>}


13 posted on 07/04/2014 6:19:57 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

No. There isn’t common ground.

The mentally ill are a small segment of society. One the rest of us should be at all times armed against.

Nothing that interferes with that Right can be legitimate.


14 posted on 07/04/2014 6:27:09 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: DaveA37

The most important fact the article lays out is the 69% fall in non-fatal “gun crimes”. I’ve heard leftists try to attribute the fall in “gun deaths” to improved trauma care, and while there is some truth in that, the fact that “gun crimes” have dropped precipitously in a period when firearms ownership has become easier and more wide-spread is proof that the left’s analysis of the issue overall is not (as leftists like to claim for their positions) reality-based.


15 posted on 07/04/2014 6:35:34 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: rktman

Your family doctor isn’t, anymore. He’s a government collector of personal data which can & will be used against you in the interests of public safety.

Disagree with the Obama agenda? You’re mentally ill & a threat to yourself & those around you.

“Nobody wants to take away your guns!”


16 posted on 07/04/2014 6:45:52 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970

LOL! Recently went to the Doc with my wife and as usual the “forms” needed to be updated. Holy Crap! The list of effnicitys and races(?)[choose one that applies?] was mind boggling. Oddly enough we didn’t see any european, slavic, mediterranean, norse “races” listed. Well, except for hiss-panic that is. Now that’s crazy. I, if I pick anything, check “other” and fill in “human” on the blank line.


17 posted on 07/04/2014 6:56:01 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: jeffc

I’ve seen data that says: about 1/3 on the street, 1/3 at home, and 1/3 incarcerated (jail or prison).


18 posted on 07/04/2014 7:02:08 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: Flintlock; All

One of the game plans is to make psychiatrists the gatekeepers for who may own a gun. When the inevitable shooting occurs, persecute the doctor who said the person was “stable”.

Doctors immediately stop allowing people to have guns. No appeals allowed, or if done, very expensive.

The number of people with legal guns can be eroded to nothing with this method.


19 posted on 07/04/2014 7:23:12 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: rktman

I think I am Hispanic now. Some of my mother’s ancestors were the Spanish settlers in Pensacola. Since what you think you are now works for gender, why not ethnicity?


20 posted on 07/04/2014 8:16:18 AM PDT by Himyar
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To: Himyar

Gender? I think I read somewhere that some social web site (facebook) now has like 50+ gender possibilities. HUH?


21 posted on 07/04/2014 8:18:57 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: marktwain

Like it or not, folks will get guns, by hook or by crook.


22 posted on 07/04/2014 9:15:38 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: rktman

Lefty take: Anyone who wants to carry a weapon must be crazy; get the weapons out of their hands!


23 posted on 07/04/2014 11:07:03 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Under the new DSM-V there are so many mental illnesses and so many criteria for those mental illnesses that virtually everyone on the planet can be diagnosed with a clinical mental disorder.

Except homosexuals and their offshoots (pedophiles, necrophiles, zoophiles...).

24 posted on 07/04/2014 11:09:57 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Dead Corpse
The mentally ill are a small segment of society. One the rest of us should be at all times armed against.

Any one who can't be trusted to carry a personal defense weapon should not be running around loose.

25 posted on 07/04/2014 11:12:16 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

LOL! Correction: Anyone who wants a weapon must be crazy.......


26 posted on 07/04/2014 11:33:45 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman
Is there common ground for supporters of gun rights and gun control to stop random, senseless shootings in this country?

Absolutely! Simply give everyone a test based on personality and knowledge. If you're a collectivist Democrat or other form of mental defective, you're banned for life from owning a firearm. All others can buy all the guns and ammo they can pay for, background-check-free. Everyone gets to live by their stated values, and mass shootings would disappear overnight!

27 posted on 07/04/2014 11:44:20 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Himyar

“I think I am Hispanic now. Some of my mother’s ancestors were the Spanish settlers in Pensacola. Since what you think you are now works for gender, why not ethnicity?”

I’ve thought about the race/ethnicity thing too.

I have known ancestors who came from the Channel Islands, with a surname that is probably from Catalonia. Catalonia spans from Northeastern Spain into Southeastern France.

Of the two brothers, one had a first name which is definitely “Hispanic” in origin.

Based on that genealogy research, which I can fully document, I am Hispanic.

The two brothers changed their surname upon immigrating from Channel Islands “England” to Maine in 1671, from Ricarte, to Ricker.

It has been fairly common throughout American history for non Anglos to alter their names to appear more Anglo.

The two brothers George and Maturin were killed by Indians in Maine, in 1706.

The English Channel Islands had been something of a refuge over time, for people leaving bad situations. I think French/Spanish protestants and jews fled to there, during the Inquisitions.


28 posted on 07/04/2014 11:55:11 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: jeffc

“The rest are free to live at home with family but are still nuttier than a fruitcake and need serious guidance. “

And when they act up and the family calls 911 and the cops wind up shooting the poor guy (and his dog/s) , that is tallied as a result of....GUN VIOLENCE!


29 posted on 07/04/2014 4:21:51 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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