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Conservative Poll: Sen. Hagan Leads GOPer Tillis (love those Establishment nominees!)
talkingpointsmemo.com ^ | 6/28/14 | Daniel Straus

Posted on 07/04/2014 6:39:04 AM PDT by cotton1706

Sen. Kay Hagan (D-NC) leads North Carolina state House Speaker Thom Tillis (R) in the North Carolina race for U.S. Senate according to a recent poll released by the conservative think tank Civitas.

The poll found Hagan leading Tillis 42 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, Libertarian candidate Sean Haugh had 9 percent support, the poll found.

Civitas also asked those surveyed who they would prefer if the only options were Tillis and Hagan, the respective Republican and Democratic nominees for Senate. Forty-seven percent said they would pick Hagan while 43 percent said they would pick Tillis.

The poll was conducted among 600 registered voters in North Carolina from June 18 through the 22 on behalf of National Research, inc. The margin of error was plus or minus 4 percentage points.

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1 posted on 07/04/2014 6:39:04 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
Doesn't sound like the establishment candidate is electable.

/johnny

2 posted on 07/04/2014 6:41:46 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706

No, I HATE those 3rd Party losers getting in the way of firing Democrats!!!!

If you insist on undermining anyone who isn’t “Saint Conservative”, plan living under the demonic Dems.


3 posted on 07/04/2014 6:44:25 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: cotton1706

North Carolina is NOT going to reelect a Democrat Senator this year, PERIOD.


4 posted on 07/04/2014 6:44:54 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: JRandomFreeper
Doesn't sound like the establishment candidate is electable.

Nope. But still waiting for the usual crew here to come in and blame the Libertarian candidate in 5...4...3...
5 posted on 07/04/2014 6:45:14 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: G Larry
No, I HATE those 3rd Party losers getting in the way of firing Democrats!!!!

Read the article. They ran the poll without the LP candidate and those votes STILL split for Hagan.

The GOP-e candidate is unelectable. Stop blaming 3rd parties for the GOP-e drive to pimp unelectable candidates.
6 posted on 07/04/2014 6:46:48 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

How many Libertarians vote for incumbent Democrats?


7 posted on 07/04/2014 6:47:09 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: JRandomFreeper

See...took all of 3 posts.


8 posted on 07/04/2014 6:47:14 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: BwanaNdege
The poll found Hagan leading Tillis 42 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, Libertarian candidate Sean Haugh had 9 percent support, the poll found.

Civitas also asked those surveyed who they would prefer if the only options were Tillis and Hagan, the respective Republican and Democratic nominees for Senate. Forty-seven percent said they would pick Hagan while 43 percent said they would pick Tillis.

There's your answer. Sounds like more of the 9% split for Tillis than Hagan, with undecideds going to Tillis after the LP candidate is removed.

This proves my point more than anything. If the GOP-e would put up ELECTABLE candidates, Libertarians will vote their way if they don't have a party choice of their own. Stop blaming 3rd parties for the failures of GOP-e nominees.
9 posted on 07/04/2014 6:50:31 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: G Larry
Sounds like you feel entitled to the votes that the libertarians are giving to their candidate.

/johnny

10 posted on 07/04/2014 6:52:00 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bamahead

“Stop blaming 3rd parties”

No, I will ALWAYS blame 3rd parties and stay at home whiners for our demonic liberal government.


11 posted on 07/04/2014 6:53:41 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: bamahead
It's the GOP-E entitlement crowd.

They think the GOP-E is owed all conservative and libertarian votes. Too bad they don't offer anything conservatives or libertarians want to vote for.

/johnny

12 posted on 07/04/2014 6:54:15 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No, it sounds like I’m tired of living under demonic deems, because the opposition is never united.


13 posted on 07/04/2014 6:55:21 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: cotton1706

Only surveyed “registered” voters, and has a 4% margin of error. Not a poll that should be taken seriously.


14 posted on 07/04/2014 6:55:30 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: G Larry

Then blame yourself too for continuing to support the statist Uniparty that is the Republicrats...or is it the Demicans?

I can’t never remember...it all runs together.


15 posted on 07/04/2014 6:55:44 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: G Larry
Blaming someone else when your candidate can't win enough votes is just silly. It keeps you from trying to change what your party is offering.

/johnny

16 posted on 07/04/2014 6:56:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: G Larry
I'm tired of living under liberal republicans that support the Dems liberal agenda.

If you want to win elections, run conservatives.

They don't have to be perfect, but they should at least match the party platform, and not be pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, anti-gun, pro-socialized-medicine, and pro-big-government.

/johnny

17 posted on 07/04/2014 6:59:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s easier to blame a pesky scapegoat that won’t go away, rather than clean up the loose grain that keeps him coming back to feed.


18 posted on 07/04/2014 6:59:25 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: JRandomFreeper

the incumbant is below 50%, they tend to lose as undecided break 2 to 3 for challenger.


19 posted on 07/04/2014 7:00:19 AM PDT by scbison
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To: cotton1706

Civitas ran a poll a month earlier, May 20-22, and found just the opposite. Tillis up +5.
The polls are bouncing around. Multiply polls over the past few months have had this
race in the 2 to 4 point range with either candidate leading at various times.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/nc/north_carolina_senate_tillis_vs_hagan-3497.html#polls


20 posted on 07/04/2014 7:07:41 AM PDT by deport
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To: Hawthorn
Only surveyed “registered” voters, and has a 4% margin of error. Not a poll that should be taken seriously.

Except this is North Carolina:

Dead People and Non-Citizens Can Vote in NC – Do They?
21 posted on 07/04/2014 7:10:40 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: cotton1706

I’ve personally moved from the GOP takes the Senate at 60/40 to it’s a 50/50 proposition. The Dims are MOTIVATED and the GOPe is utterly inept.

Let the Dims keep it. The first thing we have to do is rid the Party of the GOPe. Then we can get to work.


22 posted on 07/04/2014 7:11:12 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: deport

I hope Tillis wins. We just see this far too often with “electable” nominees. Pete Hoekstra, Tommy Thompson, Denny Rehberg, Connie Mack, George Allen, etc.


23 posted on 07/04/2014 7:13:58 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: cotton1706

Tillis over Hagan obviously, but NC is a hotbed of voter fraud as exposed by James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas (see link a few posts up). With a margin this close it’s going to be tough.


24 posted on 07/04/2014 7:19:03 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: cotton1706
This happens quite often with a challenger like Tillis. He has name recognition and
good ID in a small area where he is known but he isn't well known statewide. Thus it
becomes a problem in the many other counties to gain that one on one rapport with the voters.
25 posted on 07/04/2014 7:24:15 AM PDT by deport
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To: G Larry

“No, I HATE those 3rd Party losers getting in the way of firing Democrats!!!!

If you insist on undermining anyone who isn’t “Saint Conservative”, plan living under the demonic Dems.”

Are you starting with the VOTE FOR ANY REPUBLICAN crap again?

If you are, may I suggest you call all of Thad Cochran’s Mississippi Uncle Toms. They will happily vote for ANY REPUBLICAN you pay them to vote for


26 posted on 07/04/2014 7:26:04 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: bamahead

You don’t know NC. This is the state that will not support gay marriage (as Hagen has done) nor obamacare nor any thing Hagen has supported. She has also done a piss poor job in constituent service. She is the entitlement establishment candidate— a very unpopular position to be in , in a working class state that wants to work.


27 posted on 07/04/2014 7:28:19 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: cotton1706

Looks like another RINO is about to bite the dust.


28 posted on 07/04/2014 7:30:04 AM PDT by tennmountainman (True conservatives don't like being rained on by their own party!)
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To: cotton1706

This is a poll of 600 Registered voters and Hagan, the incumbent, polls under 50%. By every traditional measure, this is not good news for a Democrat incumbent facing low voter turnout on her side. The downside for the Republican is that conservatives will vote for the Libertarian because they can’t stomach voting for anyone except their original choice.

I suspect that this race is much closer to being even. Reid and the Democrats will be putting everything that they’ve got into a victory.


29 posted on 07/04/2014 7:30:39 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: bamahead

Nobody votes more conservative than I.

Its just that I don’t cry and take my ball a go home when my preferred candidate doesn’t win.

I continue to fight to defeat the Dems.

Pretending to “teach the GOPe a lesson” is a fools errand, that will only cost us America.


30 posted on 07/04/2014 7:32:43 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: cotton1706

“I hope Tillis wins. We just see this far too often with “electable” nominees. Pete Hoekstra, Tommy Thompson, Denny Rehberg, Connie Mack, George Allen, etc.”

This is a list RINOs who prefer BIG G’ment and have no desire to fight for a limited small G’Ment.


31 posted on 07/04/2014 7:33:05 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: JRandomFreeper

Maybe if Tillis would sing some of his hit songs, it might make a difference. The guy stutters terribly when he speaks...


32 posted on 07/04/2014 7:34:07 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Hawthorn

Indeed, and does not take into account who the candidates are, the landmark tectonic shift of control in the State House and Senate, social issues that caused that control shift(gay marriage and illegal immigrants/crime) especially within the church going black community. Blacks and whites are together on the social issues amongst the church attending groups. Not amongst the elitists in govt. employment.


33 posted on 07/04/2014 7:37:19 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: centurion316

“The downside for the Republican is that conservatives will vote for the Libertarian because they can’t stomach voting for anyone except their original choice.”

Damn, there IS a problem with liberty, We must change this - May I suggest we enforce Thought Control on these recalcitrant conservatives :)


34 posted on 07/04/2014 7:37:24 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: John S Mosby
You don’t know NC. This is the state that will not support gay marriage (as Hagen has done)

I do know NC. The liberal colleges around Raleigh/Chapel Hill + the lefties who reside in the triangle are a more powerful voting bloc than you think. And if you think Tillis isn't vulnerable on gay marriage, you should read this:

Tillis and his NYC Gay Marriage fundraiser

Always follow the $$$ when it comes to the GOP-e...
35 posted on 07/04/2014 7:39:44 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: cotton1706

Hagan has been spending big on TV ads trashing Tillis and claiming she is all for the military families, etc.

So Far, there is little from the Tillis camp to counter this (that I can see).

Wait until the airways are saturated and the debates begin.

One other point — Hagen won largely due to straight ticket party voting during the 2008 Obama election. That has been made illegal and now every voter votes separately for each race.


36 posted on 07/04/2014 7:39:45 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: cotton1706

Tommy George Thompson (born November 19, 1941) is a United States Republican politician who was a state legislator in Wisconsin, and 42nd Governor of Wisconsin from 1987 to 2001 (the longest serving).
During his term as Governor he was the Chairman of AMTRAK, the nation’s passenger rail service.
He served as the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services from 2001 to 2005, appointed by George W. Bush.

After his time in the Bush Administration,
Thompson was a partner with the law-firm Akin Gump and Chairman of Deloitte’s global healthcare practice and has served on the board of 22 other organizations.[1]

Thompson was briefly a candidate for the U.S. Presidential election in 2008, withdrawing from the race before the primaries.
In 2012, he was the Republican nominee for the United States Senate seat in Wisconsin, hoping to replace retiring Democrat Herb Kohl, but was defeated by Tammy Baldwin, making it his first state-wide loss.

RINO


37 posted on 07/04/2014 7:41:50 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: G Larry
No, I will ALWAYS blame 3rd parties and stay at home whiners for our demonic liberal government.

Always somebody else's fault right? Maybe if the GOPe didn't insist on running unelectable candidates people wouldn't stay home. We used to believe in that whole teamwork thing until we finally figured out that only works one way.

38 posted on 07/04/2014 7:42:49 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: DanZ

Voting for someone who will not win is sometimes satisfying and may even serve to send a message. Good strategy when the outcome is not in doubt. When it is, you need to be mindful of unintended consequences. How many people voted twice for Ross Perot and how did that work out for them? would we be worrying about Hillary if Bill had never been elected?


39 posted on 07/04/2014 7:51:19 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: G Larry

I think you may miss the point. Tillis polled worse against hagan than the other viable candidates before the primary, but we are fed a load a shit from the party bosses that their preferred candidates are the only ‘electable’ ones. Then most of their candidates go on to lose.

I would vote for Tillis in a heartbeat over hagan but once again we risk losing a winnable seat because the status quo dumps all their money behind a candidate they control.


40 posted on 07/04/2014 8:00:21 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: bamahead

Point exactly. Lefties in the Triangle are NOT NC. There is much going on way outside the ken of the lefties, and the pollsters. And it is groundswell. Kay (Chiles) Hagen has to fabricate constantly and the fabric is torn. The social issues take a back seat to Hagen’s failures in supporting obamaumaocare and the deathgrip on insurance from the subsidized NC monopoly of BC-BS. Seeing outside the beltway is hard for those inside it (as it always has been). People are pissed at Hagen.


41 posted on 07/04/2014 8:00:36 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: cotton1706

I said to elect Brannon. Certain RINOs on here disagreed


42 posted on 07/04/2014 8:03:48 AM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: DanZ
Meanwhile, Libertarian candidate Sean Haugh had 9 percent support, the poll found.

The Libertarian won't win 9 percent. Voters might prefer a Libertarian candidate to a Republican, but understand that they might as well vote for the Democrat, or not at all.

In the voting booth, most people will "satisfice" their vote, rather than "optimize" it.

43 posted on 07/04/2014 8:11:26 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: centurion316

“How many people voted twice for Ross Perot and how did that work out for them? “

Well, just a reminder - Read my lips - No New Taxes

So it worked out the same - More Taxes, More G’ment


44 posted on 07/04/2014 8:13:17 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: Sooth2222

“n the voting booth, most people will “sacrifice” their vote, rather than “optimize” it.

Well, lets see, Bush II gave us more g’ment bureaucracy - NSA, More DUMB people groping you at the airport, No child left behind - which lead to Common Core.

So where is the “optimize” portion again?


45 posted on 07/04/2014 8:17:18 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: G Larry

Its GOPe candidates that attract 3d party candidates

Those who blame Third Party candidates always cover up for the liberal GOPe running


46 posted on 07/04/2014 8:21:59 AM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Haley Barbour gave me $15 to vote)
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To: DanZ

I don’t accept the premise that George H.W. Bush, George Bush, and the rest of the Republican establishment are the same as Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. Not what I want, but not even close to being the same as what we got.


47 posted on 07/04/2014 8:25:03 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: RIghtwardHo

The Dims are MOTIVATED ..

On what basis can you say this? Because they have to go back to the War on Women playbook? Because Obama’s been polled to be the worst President since WWII? Because the IRS scandal is being paid more attention to than the World Cup? Because Veterans died waiting for care under a President who promised to make the VA a better organization?


48 posted on 07/04/2014 8:36:17 AM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: G Larry; bamahead
No, I will ALWAYS blame 3rd parties and stay at home whiners for our demonic liberal government.

You'll do that while the GOP-E candidates march ever-leftward in the direction of that demonic liberal government, embracing the evils of the Gay Agenda, and Abortion, and bigger and more intrusive government.
49 posted on 07/04/2014 8:37:29 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: G Larry

Stay at home whiners are the reason for your continued losing streaks? We supported all your bone head liberal (R) candidates since 1988 and how is that worked out for us? We even supported the clearly (D) McCain in 2008 a man you GOPE cheaters (Mississippi just confirmed it for everyone that elections are totally rigged by both parties) engineered the nomination for and anointed who holds any conservative in utter contempt and we voted for this putrid “electable” turd.

You GOPE losers are losers. You keep trotting out one leftists after another and the same results. I have to conclude you want don’t really care about any policy changes or the country, you just want your turn at the $$$ trough.


50 posted on 07/04/2014 8:41:57 AM PDT by sarge83
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