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Guns in the Home
townhall.com ^ | 7/5/2014 | Bob Owens

Posted on 07/06/2014 4:52:05 AM PDT by rktman

In May I wrote a post at BearingArms.com that I thought was rather straightforward, discussing some of the responsibilities of gun owners.

When you decide to own a firearm, you are not just exercising a right, but taking upon yourself a responsibility to use that firearm rationally, intelligently, and safely at all times, without exception.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; nannystatist
Education on the proper handling of firearms is a must if you plan on having any. If someone is coming to your residence and you don't know their knowledge quotient in that arena, then double check to make sure things are secure.
1 posted on 07/06/2014 4:52:05 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Remember the 3 Cs: Children, Criminals, Clueless. from THE CORNERED CAT by Kathy Jackson.


2 posted on 07/06/2014 4:55:58 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: rktman

Another nanny statist that thinks guns are just for hunting or target shooting.

An unloaded gun locked away somewhere is worthless for self defense or controlling animal pests.

I’ll unload and lock up my guns when cops start unloading and locking theirs in the trunk of their car!


3 posted on 07/06/2014 5:23:15 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

They don’t? LOL! I can’t believe all the crap strapped on to the deputy sheriffs around here. Tasers, guns, pepper spray, 87 handcuffs, extra magazines, extra periodicals, shoe shine kits, 5 radios, two cell phones, back up ankle gun. I don’t know how they can move. ;>}


4 posted on 07/06/2014 5:34:30 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Help me....... I’ve fallen down and can’t get up!


5 posted on 07/06/2014 5:37:37 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: rktman

Owebama’s bodyguards should be forced to lock up theirs too.

I get so sick of these aholes!


6 posted on 07/06/2014 5:43:36 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: rktman
"Unfortunately, there are hundreds of funerals every year that are a direct result of the failure of this mindset."

Hundreds of funerals? Really. Prove it.

Back in 1989 during the big gun scare of that yet, they then Attorney General of California said that he was tired of going to funerals of police officers killed with AK-47's. So, I called his office and asked when was the last funeral he went to of an officer killed with an AK-47. They couldn't and wouldn't say.

So, I did some research in those pre-internet days and found that in the previuos 20 years, there'd been two incidents of cops shot at with an AK-47. If I remember correctly, once during a drug raid in a motel room and once a squad car got shot at. No deaths.

Since that experience, I've learned that gun-grabbers lie all the time. And someone, who throws out a statistic apparently coming out of of his butt with gas, will be attacked. Bob Owens is surprised he's called a gun-grabber? He sounds just like one.

You need your gun available in an instant, when you need it. Locking it up all the time defeats the purpose of having the gun. Now, when you're away, lock it up.

I find it hard to believe that gun owners were arguing that children won't touch a gun, once they are exposed to it, since the mystery is gone. You need to train the kids in the use of guns, and demonstrate their destructive power. I trust trained kids as much as I trust cops with guns.

And Bob Owens ought to know that he'll be attacked when he attacks responsible gunowners. That's right in line with the gun grabbers.

7 posted on 07/06/2014 6:06:43 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: rktman

I’m missing why this is a controversy. If a firearm isn’t on your person, which is where it should be, then of course it should be locked up. I don’t see anything in what this guy has said that runs contrary to that. A gun that is hidden a floor away from you is useless to you if you need it. But it is a potential risk to kids, idiots, and criminals.


8 posted on 07/06/2014 6:09:20 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: rktman
I saw that guy at Starbuck’s on Lemmon Drive last week. I even made fun of him(nicely). 300 pound deputy with all that crap on. So much that he had to have his spare mags stored perpendicular to his belt to save space.
9 posted on 07/06/2014 6:10:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: rktman
Since many more are injured in car incidents, whenever I park my van I remove the battery, put a “boot” on the front wheel, and a steering wheel lock on the steering wheel.

I used to siphon's out all the gas so it would be “unloaded” but the stores did not like me carrying in the 5 gallon cans of ammunition.

10 posted on 07/06/2014 6:13:29 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Beagle8U

“An unloaded gun locked away somewhere is worthless for self defense or controlling animal pests.”

You’re right. I grew up in rural Arkansas (I’m 68) and kept a 22, 12 guage, and an old surplus 30-06 Springfield in my bedroom propped in a corner. In fact, I personally bought the Springfield in a general mercantile store out of a barrel for $10. And, every kid I knew had guns much the same as I did. Point is, guns were, and still are, a part of that culture. Guns were common in the home and in pickup trucks. So, kids grew up being familiar with guns, no mystery involved. Now, I live in suburban DFW, raised three kids and have two grand kids. While my kids all shoot and the oldest is even a hunter (married to a hunter) guns are not a daily part of their lives as they were mine. So, I keep all my guns locked up in a gun safe. I also keep a handgun in a small quick access combo safe sitting on my bedroom dresser. While not the best situation, it gives me peace of mind concerning youngsters being curious, especially visiting kids who know absolutely nothing about guns.


11 posted on 07/06/2014 6:14:26 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: rktman

What are the details on the unintentional deaths? No idea. Were they accidental due to trained children coming upon unsecured guns and then shooting up the family or neibhborhood? Doubtful.

And is this really the priority, to get people to lock up their guns all the time? That's the gun grabber agenda. "Yeah, well, ok, you can have your d*mn guns, but you must keep their locked up, so you can't use them. Because you're morons and we know better. Because, ... children."

Bob Owens is surprised when he gets a negative reaction from gun owners. Really.

12 posted on 07/06/2014 6:19:40 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

What are the details on the unintentional deaths? No idea. Were they accidental due to trained children coming upon unsecured guns and then shooting up the family or neibhborhood? Doubtful.


Maybe they included fictional deaths in movies and television programs.


13 posted on 07/06/2014 6:26:32 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: rktman

I’ve got a 12 gauge, 7mm mag, 2 45’s, a 357 and a 22 semi auto loaded at all times and scattered around the house, truck and garage. The others are tucked away in the gun locker.

What am I afraid of? Not a damned thing.


14 posted on 07/06/2014 6:32:35 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

In Lemmon Valley near the walmart? Two miles from us.


15 posted on 07/06/2014 6:36:52 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Nothing like using old data (1999 is 14 years ago!) and including 18-19 year old adults, that make up over half the numbers.


16 posted on 07/06/2014 6:55:52 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Comment Not Approved

As long as you don’t have a disgruntled liberal in your neighborhood.

In some states they can have a SWAT team at your door with a call to 1-800-GUN-SNITCH.

“Officer, I’m so scared, this man down the street at 1224 Elmwood drive has guns, I see him putting these long black cases into his car, he’s frightening with his American flag & that yellow flag with the snake on it and there’s a NRA sticker on his car and oh yes, he’s an Afghanistan vet & you know those guys have violence issues.”

“Please help me.”


17 posted on 07/06/2014 6:56:41 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: rktman

Oddly enough, keeping guns away from children doesn’t work, but what does work is “familiarity”. Tools are a superb comparison.

Start with a knotty, dry 2x4, a box of long nails and a claw hammer, on an uneven patch of dry ground. Tell them to pound in nails until they can get 10 in a row to go in straight, without bending. At some point, hopefully the board with split a bit. But by the time they get 10 in a row, they will *know* how to hammer nails the right way, and they will be familiar with the process.

And then they need to use the claw side of the hammer to get the nails out.

The same technique applies to guns. Firing a rifle prone, kneeling, and standing. Hitting that bulls eye consistently. Shooting a bunch of different things to see what bullets can do. Following all the safety rules.

And cleaning the gun afterwards. And cleaning, and cleaning, and cleaning.

Most of the fundamentals they learn with BB’s, .22 shorts and .22LR, so it is not too expensive. If you are a sharpshooter with a BB gun, you are most of the way there.

And the bottom line to all of this should be that they have absolutely no desire to hold their hands like a gun and go “pew pew pew”, any more than pretending to hammer in nails.

Been there, done that.


18 posted on 07/06/2014 7:35:53 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: rktman

Understand the increasing incidence of the ‘home invasion’ style crime—not just in the big drug cities anymore.

ALSO note that the unloaded firearm makes a poor club for a defensive weapon at the very best. (Bayonets are now illegal.)

Nobody wants to get shot. With ANY caliber weapon.


19 posted on 07/06/2014 8:08:14 AM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE, mohamuud a PEDOPHILE, sharia is POISON.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

That’s why deputies are so fat. Longer belts.


20 posted on 07/06/2014 8:16:09 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: rktman

Problem with this article is he thinks about it all wrong. The way to prevent kids from doing something stupid with guns is educations, not locks. Eventually they can always beat locks, or mistakes happen, but if you’ve taught them then they know. I was raised around guns, my wife and her brothers were raised around guns, none of us have ever done anything stupid with a gun, because we were taught.

As for thieves, unless it’s a MASSIVE gun safe they’ll just take the safe and get the guns later (that hold true really for all safes, if they see one they can take they’ll take it and find out what you thought was important at their convenience). You need to secure the HOME, if they can’t get in the home how the guns are stored doesn’t matter.


21 posted on 07/06/2014 8:16:14 AM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

None of my guns are locked up. They’re all in accessible places around the home and loaded. I’ll shift them if there’s kids coming, idiots just plain aren’t allowed, and they’re supposed to be a risk to criminals.


22 posted on 07/06/2014 8:17:50 AM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: discostu

LOL! They better bring a forklift. And tools to take the wall down too. ;>}


23 posted on 07/06/2014 8:20:31 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Since that experience, I've learned that gun-grabbers lie all the time

No, no NO.

It's a "larger truth". It's "speaking truth to power". /sarc

24 posted on 07/06/2014 8:23:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Beagle8U

Yeh agreed. Sorry but we like our guns out where we can get to them if we need them. When the grandkids come we lock up everything except whats on our person.


25 posted on 07/06/2014 8:24:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rktman

This crap is on Townhall? WTF?

A locked gun might as well be 1000 miles away if you are in a life and death situation.


26 posted on 07/06/2014 8:43:12 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Double combo safe, unloaded with trigger locks and breach blocks. Magazines in the safe deposit box at the bank. Plus no ammo anywhere in the house. Yeah, that makes sense.


27 posted on 07/06/2014 8:49:18 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Yes.


28 posted on 07/06/2014 9:45:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Rio

+1.


29 posted on 07/06/2014 9:45:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: RKBA Democrat
If a firearm isn’t on your person, which is where it should be, then of course it should be locked up.

Huh? It should be where it's handy.

30 posted on 07/06/2014 9:52:03 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (I am a citizen of an idea called America.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“Huh? It should be where it’s handy.”

I can’t think of a more handy place than on your person.


31 posted on 07/06/2014 10:44:32 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: discostu

“None of my guns are locked up. They’re all in accessible places around the home and loaded. I’ll shift them if there’s kids coming, idiots just plain aren’t allowed, and they’re supposed to be a risk to criminals.”

I guess you haven’t been burglarized. The safest place to have a gun is on your person so it can be at immediate risk for criminals. After that, in a gun safe.

Each gun that is ripped off or worse, used by some kid that found it is just like stroking a check to Michael Bloomberg. It’s a propaganda victory for them.


32 posted on 07/06/2014 10:50:51 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Shotguns are hard to keep on my person. I just make sure they are close at hand, especially at night.

Safety first, don’t use a gun that may unwittingly kill a neighbor rather than the intruder.


33 posted on 07/06/2014 10:54:21 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (I am a citizen of an idea called America.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I haven’t been burglarized because I take the step necessary to prevent such a thing. The problem with a locked up gun is it’s useless. On your person has its place, but not terribly helpful when you’re asleep, and can be kind of in the way moving around. Everywhere I spend time around the house has a gun within 2 steps and a reach, been that way for a long time, and zero have been stolen. My FIL followed the same principle from the day he joined the Army Air Corp until his death a few years ago, also zero stolen. And no accidents from his kids either, he raised them better than that, even the two that came out idiots understood guns aren’t toys.

I think the propaganda victory comes in thinking responsible gun ownership involves hiding them away where they “can’t do harm”. They’re tools, treat them as such. They don’t have minds of their own, they aren’t magical, and if all the people in your home understand that you can have loaded guns on every surface and nothing bad will happen. Locking them away takes away opportunities to teach people to respect and understand guns, THAT’S writing a check to Bloomberg by giving him more people that think guns are magical evil. To break the propaganda you need them out and about and not doing harm, not locked away like scary monsters.


34 posted on 07/06/2014 11:13:22 AM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: elcid1970

“In some states they can have a SWAT team at your door with a call to 1-800-GUN-SNITCH.”

No worries. I’m in Montana, where over 95% of homes have firearms. And the average number of firearms per home that has firearms is TWENTY-SEVEN!

Picked up that little factoid at my concealed carry class. Several of my neighbors have shooting ranges. I built the first ... then they used my plans for their shooting benches.

I hear gunfire almost daily. It is the sound of freedom.


35 posted on 07/06/2014 4:29:11 PM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: Comment Not Approved

I envy you in Montana even though I live in a relatively gun friendly state here in South Carolina.

You’ve still got that frontier spirit, and we still believe that nothing good has come from Washington since, say, spring 1861.

Gun industries are relocating here, too. And there’s a large veteran population.

I was thinking of states like NY, MA, & NJ where there are state issued FOIDs, which greatly facilitate confiscation & other kinds of police raids.


36 posted on 07/06/2014 4:48:53 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Hundreds of funerals? Really. Prove it.

Even if it were true, so what? Obviously, better if there were none at all, but hundreds is nothing next to the death toll of tyrannical regimes with unarmed subjects, in the 20th century alone. That's in the millions. Tens of millions.

37 posted on 07/06/2014 8:28:24 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Beagle8U; rktman

VIDEO: Man Uses 3D Printer To Make Handgun: GUN COMPLETED WITH PARTS ORDERED ONLINE
http://spacecoastdaily.com/2014/07/video-man-uses-3d-printer-to-make-handgun/


38 posted on 07/06/2014 10:40:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmmm. May be somebody I know if it happened on the Space Coast. LOL! The verbiage in the article plus the question asking for comments kinda tells me what the response is “supposed” to be. Didn’t see any comments though.


39 posted on 07/07/2014 6:17:42 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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