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Editorial: Addressing the border crisis
Los Angeles Times ^ | July 6, 2014 | Editorial

Posted on 07/06/2014 6:08:49 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Tens of thousands of Central American children, some accompanied by adults but most traveling alone, have surged across the U.S.-Mexican border in recent months. The flood has swamped the border security infrastructure as well as the youth housing facilities maintained by the Department of Health and Human Services.

Washington can, and should, try to stop illegal immigration at the border, but it would be wiser, and more humane, to find ways to stabilize the communities from which immigrants are running. Any solutions must come with the full involvement and engagement of the governments of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Mexico, a challenge given the endemic corruption in those governments. But the U.S. is in the best position to bring the players together and forge the strategic, regional approach to ending this humanitarian crisis.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; illegalaliens; invasion

1 posted on 07/06/2014 6:08:49 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

2 posted on 07/06/2014 6:11:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Washington can, and should, try to stop illegal immigration at the border, but it would be wiser, and more humane, to find ways to stabilize the communities from which immigrants are running.

What once were considered Guardians of the country's conscience and supposed bastions of open information and truth. Give me a break. We are completely infested with ideological zealots who take great pleasure in destroying traditional American values and morals.

Shakespeare's (sometimes misinterpreted) line about lawyers should be changed to Journalists in my opinion.

3 posted on 07/06/2014 6:13:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

An open letter to the GOP Members of Congress

As a Representative or Senator in Congress, you took this Oath:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."


"Support and defend the Constitution" it says. Did you see that? That document, in turn, requires, per Art.4, S.4, that

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."


An invasion is what we are suffering. That invasion has accelerated with each "comprehensive immigration reform" previously enacted. Instead of another disastrous reform that yet again increases the incentives for millions more to try their luck crossing the southern border, a Member of Congress who took his Oath and the Constitution seriously would be pressing for what the American people have repeatedly said they want - not what Senators Schumer and McCain, Mark Zuckerberg, Mexico, some border state farmers and homebuilders or the Chamber of Commerce rent-seekers want. That is:
  1. secure the border in a transparently verifiable way;
  2. end the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment;
  3. enforce eVerify without exception and with severe penalties;
  4. end chain migration - entry per individual qualifications, not family ties;
  5. deportation upon contact with any law enforcement agency - federal, state or local
  6. no government benefits beyond critical emergency care (and that ought to be billed back to the home government); and
  7. NO "Path to Citizenship" - EVER - for anyone who has entered the US illegally.
Any measure that does not accomplish these things is unacceptable. It is de facto amnesty. And it will inevitably, ineluctably encourage millions and millions more illegal entries.

If the GOP is complicit in this amnesty fiasco, either by taking up the Senate bill or through some piecemeal slight of hand with a series of House bills such as we hear are being cooked up of late, or as riders on other necessary legislation, the GOP will cease to exist. It will not survive through the 2016 elections. The people will shun the over-tanned, glad-handing, backslapping quislings and look elsewhere for leaders who actually have the spine for the fight. Make no mistake - to me and to many, many others, amnesty is the GOP's Rubicon. Cross it at your electoral peril.

4 posted on 07/06/2014 6:13:34 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Semmens at his best.

I waiting for it. Right about now...

The call for American tax-payers to pony up more money.

Yes! That’s the solution.

John, you are the master of satire.


5 posted on 07/06/2014 6:15:15 AM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Any solutions must come with the full involvement and engagement of the governments of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Mexico...

Good luck with that, since they are all too happy shipping their problems to US, in exchange for more $$$ if they can.

6 posted on 07/06/2014 6:16:16 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Any solutions must come with the full involvement and engagement of the governments of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Mexico

Why?

7 posted on 07/06/2014 6:17:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

They are not asylum seekers. They are driven by opportunism, not fear. Based on UN statistics, homicide rates in these countries (except for Honduras) declined from 2009 to 2012. What has changed is our policy and their knowledge of it. The 2002 legislation which prevents the immediate return of these people to their country did not draw them until Obama instituted his Dreamer policy. Then they came, secure in the knowledge that they would be released into our communities and then later be able to claim Dreamer status. Change the 2002 law and Obama’s Dreamer policy and they will not come.


8 posted on 07/06/2014 6:20:27 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: Paine in the Neck
end the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment

I really don't think it's an "interpretation", it's a simple literal reading of the text.

Undoubtedly, it is contrary to intent, but when the authors are dead, the text they left behind has to rule.

Anyone who can be detained by agents of the United States, brought before a magistrate, suffer penalties prescribed by law including confinement and forfeiture is, beyond a doubt, "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

9 posted on 07/06/2014 6:21:06 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Travis McGee

No more birthright citizenship.
No more EITC (welfare) to non-citizens.
Reduce chain migration.
No public assistance to non citizens.
No more catch and release.
Cut off all the magnets.
Throw out all politicians supporting illegals.


10 posted on 07/06/2014 6:22:19 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

most of these are not kids..and I think the picture is from a year or two back. still, it gives a good idea of the mix. we are probably recieveing many gang members or wanna be gang members..hide your kids.


11 posted on 07/06/2014 6:24:21 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obama&Co free ride train voter list grows by 300,000.


12 posted on 07/06/2014 6:26:03 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

everything this administration does is political.

I think the images of protesters blocking buses of children and holding signs against “immigrants” is exactly what they want, because it looks ugly and will enrage parts of the hispanic community.

So now they’ve stirred up the female base with the “Supreme Court has taken away your contraceptives, and hispanics with “conservatives are protesting your children”.

All that is left is the hammer to drop on some black person so they can make that all about the GOP being racists.

They may not have anything left to play with gays since so many courts are ruling for them anyway. But they are clever politically even if they can’t do a thing to actually run a country.


13 posted on 07/06/2014 6:26:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The flood has swamped the border security infrastructure as well as the youth housing facilities maintained by the Department of Health and Human Services. Washington can, and should, try to stop illegal immigration at the border, but it would be wiser, and more humane, to find ways to stabilize the communities from which immigrants are running.

Wow!

Isn’t this the paper that excoriated GW Bush for his nation building efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq?

So here they go pushing for the US to meddle in the internal affairs of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Mexico.

14 posted on 07/06/2014 6:27:15 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How do you stabilize that neighborhood?


15 posted on 07/06/2014 6:29:52 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Gaffer

Agreed. Why anyone would believe it would do any good to throw more money into these cesspools is beyond me. Same stupid deal here. Those that voted for Zero are starting to feel the sting, that is a good thing, just wish they hadn’t taken the rest of us with them to banana republic status.


16 posted on 07/06/2014 6:30:07 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Gaffer

“Washington can, and should, try to stop illegal immigration at the border, but it would be wiser, and more humane, to find ways to stabilize the communities from which immigrants are running.”

He might as well have written “solve all of the world’s problems.” These countries are failed states, like Chicago and Detroit are failed cities. They are the result of the kind of corruption you get from socialist governments. Is he suggesting we go in, take them over and spend bottomless pit’s worth of money? Or, do we just send the infinite amount of money to their corrupt leaders?


17 posted on 07/06/2014 6:31:43 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Pontiac

18 posted on 07/06/2014 6:32:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: reefdiver
How do you stabilize that neighborhood?

We can't. But the LA Times editorial board had to fill Sunday space and will never actually demand a solution from their "Magic Negro".

19 posted on 07/06/2014 6:32:47 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Apparently, these zealots who have a problem with actions, say, like Iraq have a problem going in there to make things better by use of force, have absolutely no problem going into a irredeemable crap hole with boxcar loads of cash, stolen at the point of a gun from honest working (tax paying) Americans.


20 posted on 07/06/2014 6:34:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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21 posted on 07/06/2014 6:35:00 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I find this fascinating in a horrible sort of way. Because we already know that both wings of the uniparty favor essentially unfettered immigration. Few of these people are going to get kicked out of the country. The political class will posture and pontificate and do nothing. And we will in effect be overrun by the populations of these countries. All to the joy of the uniparty and it’s cronies.


22 posted on 07/06/2014 6:36:16 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Washington can, and should, try to stop illegal immigration at the border, but it would be wiser, and more humane, to find ways to stabilize the communities from which immigrants are running."

Yeah, but wouldn't that be "imperialistic" and "imposing our values"?

23 posted on 07/06/2014 6:36:44 AM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: Jim Noble
I really don't think it's an "interpretation", it's a simple literal reading of the text.

It most certainly is an 'interpretation since the present understanding is contrary to that of the authors of 14A. From FederalistBlog: What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means

In Steel Co. v. Citizens for a Better Environment (1998) the court said “jurisdiction is a word of many, too many, meanings.” Therefore, it is important to discover the operational meaning behind “subject to the jurisdiction” as employed under the Fourteenth Amendment rather then assuming its meaning from other usages of the word jurisdiction alone. Both Sen. Trumbull and Sen. Howard provides the answer, with Trumbull declaring:

The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.


See also The UnConstitutionality of Citizenship by Birth to Non-Americans
24 posted on 07/06/2014 6:39:32 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Jim Noble

Anyone who can be detained by agents of the United States, brought before a magistrate, suffer penalties prescribed by law including confinement and forfeiture is, beyond a doubt, “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.


I agree with your conclusion, but I believe the ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ part was to exclude Indians. They certainly could be arrested, etc. but they are always considered outside US authority. They were not considered US citizens and didn’t get birthright citizenship until the 20s.


25 posted on 07/06/2014 6:50:36 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It won’t happen in those countries until they evolve beyond the “Old Europe Disease” left behind by the Spanish.

OED is a social structure based on their being only two social classes, the nobility and the peasantry, that such classes are hereditary, and that they are sustained through the Civil Law legal system, formerly the Code Napoleon, which itself was derived from Roman Law.

It amounts to “the law of the nobility”, and has several ideas repugnant to those who live in nations based in Common Law. For example, the assumption of guilt, not innocence; and that activities not mentioned in the law are criminal by default, not the other way around, so that the people must have government permission to invent or innovate. “Equality” just means that the nobles are equal to other nobles, and peasants are equal to other peasants.

Some of this was mitigated in 20th Century Europe, but the underlying concepts remain.

Mexico South, through central America and South America is almost all Civil Law, excepting Belize and Guyana.

In human terms, compare two multi-billionaires, Bill Gates and Carlos Slim of Mexico. Gates has indirectly created a dozen or more billionaires, thousands or even tens of thousands of multimillionaires, and enriched millions, and it has not troubled him one bit.

Slim, on the other hand, is of the dozen or so wealthy families of Mexico that control the vast majority of the wealth. He would never dream of significantly enriching anyone not a member of one of these families. And the vast majority of his employees are minimum wage workers.

Had he not intended to do so, he would have indirectly created many rich people, but he has gone out of his way to insure that this did not happen. Because while they do not call themselves “nobles” and everyone else “peasants”, that is how they behave.

Needless to say, the peasants are not thrilled at all with the idea of being kept down, which tends to radicalize them as socialists. They want to tear down the rich, but at the same time they also suffer from OED, so they want to *take the place* of the rich, *over* the other peasants.

The most recent example of this was the revolution in Venezuela, where Chavez rode to power on a wave of peasant populism, promising wealth for all. But as soon as he was in power, while indeed harming the rich and the middle classes, he did nothing for the poor with any lasting value. And yet, he lived in the palaces of the wealthy he had driven out, and otherwise embraced the trappings of the rich, if just a little less publicly.

OED even afflicts many American Democrats (and some Republican RINOs). They cannot escape the idea that they are special, that they are part of the elite class that is destined to rule. You saw it in the Kennedys, and you see it in the Bush family. So while they do not agree politically, they have much agreement socially.

In the final analysis, what we are seeing now in this rush of illegal aliens, are ambitious peasants voting with their feet. They see no hope of their own nations even advancing beyond two-class states, and are sick to death of being kept down as peasants. They want to escape to a place where they at least have a chance to better their own lives.

That when they arrive here they embrace the Democrat party is no surprise, for among other diseases, they still have OED, and it takes generations for immigrants to finally shed that sickness of the soul.


26 posted on 07/06/2014 6:55:16 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Jim Noble

Your reading is false.

“Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is an a priori state.

A citizen who breaks no law is still by virtue of citizenship “subject to the jurisdiction”.

The illegal who breaks another law and comes into contact with potential enforcers retains the a priori state of a foreign national. They are only “subject to the jurisdiction” insofar as their subsequent violation must be adjudicated.

A rational president would pardon all illegal alien murderers held in our prisons and dump them in Mexico City’s airport.


27 posted on 07/06/2014 6:56:12 AM PDT by bakeneko
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To: Gaffer
I heard this morning on F&F that according to health care workers at the "refugee camps," the number of 50,000 is purposely low-balled, and the actual number is between 250,000 and 300,000.

If those numbers were to get out, there would be an open revolt, but the ministry of propaganda will die on their swords to protect their "One."

Mark

28 posted on 07/06/2014 6:57:55 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

Sane people would call this a Pandemic. Obama is purposefully releasing these diseased rats into our unsuspecting population.


29 posted on 07/06/2014 7:02:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Paine in the Neck

Thanks for the reference.

I tend to be an extreme literalist in terms of Constitutional language, because any other position makes the document almost meaningless. XIV and XXII are the two worst-drafted amendments, nevertheless, they say what they say.

For example, I believe that Bill Clinton can run for Vice President and can succeed to the office of President by any means other than election. Certainly contrary to intent, but allowed by plain English reading of the text.


30 posted on 07/06/2014 7:17:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

“In other words, only children born to American citizens can be considered citizens of the United States since only a American citizen could enjoy the “extent and quality” of jurisdiction of an American citizen now” (Quote from your link).

Hinrich Butt, subject of the Emperor of Germany, arrived at New York in 1879. He married another subject of said Emperor in 1887, without naturalizing, and she bore him five children in Brooklyn, NY between 1888 and 1895. One of them died in childhood, four survived and either applied for US passports, registered for the 1917 draft, or both.

All four children who survived to adulthood listed their US citizenship as “natural born” or “native born” (depending on the form language), and, as far as I know, this was never questioned.

Do you contend that my grandfather and his siblings were NOT US citizens by virtue of birth in the State of New York and the XIV Amendment alone?


31 posted on 07/06/2014 7:25:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
God watches and waits......




32 posted on 07/06/2014 7:28:14 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What can be done? Reducing drug demand and the southward flow of guns would help,

It always comes back to the pot smokers! God made grapes and Satan made buds.

33 posted on 07/06/2014 7:32:05 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“We are the world!
We are the children!
We are the ones who take your money to use it for our purposes!”

The LA Times can take every cent they get from advertising and subscriptions and send it to Central America instead of paying their employees. Until they do that, they’re just a bunch of children wishing on stars.


34 posted on 07/06/2014 7:36:30 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

More lies. There is nothing going on in central America that constitutes a crises. These kids parents are risking their childrens’ lives in the hope that they will get amnesty and the parents can follow. I’d ask why they are not immediately returned to their countries of origin, but I know the answer.

We might want to ponder if we can’t stop an invasion of children, how would we handle one comprised of armed men?


35 posted on 07/06/2014 7:38:38 AM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is an ORGANIZED INVASION from good ‘ol Mehhiccco.
They are the enemy.
Treat them as such.


36 posted on 07/06/2014 7:48:47 AM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE, mohamuud a PEDOPHILE, sharia is POISON.)
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