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Does Something Seem Fishy To You In This List of Govít Agency Workers Earning More Than $180,000?
Independent Journal Review ^ | July 26 2014 | Michael Hausam

Posted on 07/06/2014 1:21:43 PM PDT by PoloSec

The Office of Personnel Management maintains a list of the amount of civilian workers that each branch of the government has, in addition to their salary amounts. Although it does not mention individuals by name nor their positions, the numbers are quite surprising when the data is adjusted for an annual income of $180,000 or more.

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Some facts to consider:

  1. There are 25,356 government agency workers earning $180,000 or more.
  2. 18,709 of those workers at at the Department of Veteran Affairs (5% of workforce).
  3. 2,355 are at the Department of Health and Human Services (3% of workforce).
  4. 1,605 are at the Department of Transportation (3% of workforce).

Note again that this list is of civilian workers — no members of the military are included; neither does it include the Judiciary Branch or congressional staff. By way of contrast, the percentage of those earning more than $180,000 at the Department of Defense, the largest agency of the government, is just under 1/2%.

Historically, the idea of working for the government included a trade off of sorts: a reduction in income relative to private industry in exchange for increased job security and benefits. It seems as though that reality has changed.

Given the scandal at the VA over wait times and patient care, one must wonder what all of these high-paid individuals are doing. One thing we do know is that the VA has paid over $200 million in wrongful death payments and an additional $645 million in medical malpractice since 2001.

A reasonable conclusion would be that these thousands of high-income individuals are doing something other than actually earning their pay.


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1 posted on 07/06/2014 1:21:43 PM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec

Our overlords deserve every penny of it and more. Attempting to run every aspect of our lives is hard work.


2 posted on 07/06/2014 1:28:58 PM PDT by all the best
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To: PoloSec

If they’re doctors treating vets I don’t mind the salary.


3 posted on 07/06/2014 1:30:20 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Open Borders, pro-terrorist, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: PoloSec

How many of the VA people were physicians? I suspect that people with MD degrees are expensive.


4 posted on 07/06/2014 1:34:24 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: PoloSec

Amazing how considering it is a drought for many american households, that so many big fish are still out there in the shady spots on ol’ Man MoneyFlow River..

Just waiting to be noodled .. For the pickin’,, but I doubt you’ll see anyone in a three piece suited crowd of DC wading in any time soon.


5 posted on 07/06/2014 1:37:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: reg45

I don’t think there are very many MDs in DOT - that’s 3% of the workforce!


6 posted on 07/06/2014 1:38:55 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: PoloSec
There used to be an old saying that your not going to get rich working for the government but the benefits are good.

Does not apply anymore.

7 posted on 07/06/2014 1:44:58 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: Ken522

Only trying to explain the high salaries in VA, no where else.


8 posted on 07/06/2014 1:45:29 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

1) In no way are there over 18 thousand docs working at the VA..so its mostly “leadership” that sit in meetings all day and can’t lead.

2)Recruiting for doctors ( especially psychiatrists)is very, very difficult for the VA because a) there is a shortage nationwide b) the VA is not competitive with the private sector.

RECOMMENDATION:
cut the VA “leadership” at all levels by 50% and hire more front line workers! No waiting lists then.


9 posted on 07/06/2014 1:45:44 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: Ken522

How about the EPA, Dept of NO-Education, the NO Energy Dept, the Dept of the Interior( that don’t know a cow from a turtle)and the NO justice Dept.


10 posted on 07/06/2014 1:47:39 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Mostly Agreed, but I think 90% is a better number.


11 posted on 07/06/2014 1:48:25 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: PoloSec
Yes, I am noticing something about this list.

It contains a laughably tiny number of people who, if they found themselves in the private sector, could actually produce as much as $18,000.00 per year of output, never mind $180,000.
12 posted on 07/06/2014 1:48:33 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: PoloSec
Does Something Seem Fishy To You In This List of Gov’t Agency Workers Earning More Than $180,000?...you mean beyond the fact that none of them could probably earn a quarter that much in the private sector?.....
13 posted on 07/06/2014 1:48:46 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: PoloSec
If the salary ranges have not been provided elsewhere here's the GS and SES. Not appointees as far as I know.

links to senior executive service salaries

links to GS salaries by location

Probably the professional journeyman level in the D.C. area is GS-14

14 posted on 07/06/2014 1:48:51 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: PoloSec

How else would Obama keep them Obeying his Orders


15 posted on 07/06/2014 1:52:53 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: morphing libertarian
If they’re doctors treating vets I don’t mind the salary.

You beat me to it. I was guessing that is the case.

16 posted on 07/06/2014 1:54:01 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: PoloSec

DOT = Air Traffic Controllers.

They earn their keep.


17 posted on 07/06/2014 1:56:40 PM PDT by bakeneko
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The reality this demonstrates is the explosion in the SES ranks. The DOT numbers probably account for the number of SES in the FAA. In the VA you not only capture some medical staff, but the management in the medical facilities. Many of those in management are responsible for the VA scandal as they directed the falsification of numbers in order to trigger bonuses for themselves.


18 posted on 07/06/2014 1:59:31 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: PoloSec

Loyal government workers would kickback 75% of their salaries to support the party and the cause.


19 posted on 07/06/2014 2:14:13 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: PoloSec

My attitude? If you’re getting a government paycheck and you’re not a uniformed member of the Armed Forces you’re very probably my enemy.Either an enemy of my wallet or my freedoms.


20 posted on 07/06/2014 2:14:32 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: PoloSec
This does not surprise me, nor, except indirectly does it dismay me. The VA, being essentially a miniature NHS for the benefit of veterans (after the scandals I have to restrain myself from putting scorn quotes around "benefit"), unlike every other Federal bureaucracy, employs a great many hospital administrators, and thus, must compete with private hospitals and other public hospitals for their services.

What is dismaying is first, that we set up a cabinet-level agency to subject our veterans to the "benefits" of socialized medicine, and second that living in The Era of Bad Stewards, hospital administrators -- ostensibly fiduciaries for the general public, or the shareholders, or for a group of physicians -- have, like their counterparts in commerce, finance and academe, contrived to pay themselves vastly more than the people who actually do the job over which the administrators have fiduciary responsibility.

21 posted on 07/06/2014 2:21:31 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: PoloSec
The "Greatest Generation" let democrat fascists control Congress their entire lives because they "brought home the bacon" and until recently their kids have been inclined to do the same thing. Any group that controls the purse strings for eighty years without any serious challenge to their rewarding their pals will hide those rewards wherever they can wrap them in the flag or for the good of "the chilren".

Eighty years of appointing judges, expanding agencies, creating agencies, and squashing anyone who disagrees with them is paying off now with King Barry ruling by Executive order while whipped dogs in the Republican Party are afraid to rock the boat by doing anything about it because they can't believe they'll be the majority for very long.

If they retain control a few more election cycles some of them will probably grow a pair but then again, look at what happens when any Republican is targeted by the democrat media machine. Their own "supporters" swallow every lie the democrat machine spews out and tears them up instead of standing by them the way democrats stand by their own. You can call it "principled" to go along with democrat fascists targeting anyone who is a thorn in their side all you like but in reality it's a self-defeating psychosis just like a beaten wife enabling the husband that beats her.

Face it, the democrat fascists have had a long term approach and Conservatives couldn't even agree that "Anyone But Obama" was a good enough reason to vote the traitorous wretch King Barry out of a second term.

US Conservatives have "glorious", "idealistic", "higher morality", excuses for doing nothing while democrats will take every quarter inch they can get down and grub for.

Which approach leads to political victories in the real world and which leads to glorious serfdom is obvious.

JMHO

22 posted on 07/06/2014 2:24:20 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Ken522

“I don’t think there are very many MDs in DOT - that’s 3% of the workforce!”

Probably Engineers, they don’t come cheap either.


23 posted on 07/06/2014 2:36:31 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PoloSec

Lifetime pensions.

Free healthcare.

401ks

Cash out unused vacation when retired.

9-5, not a minute more.

Likely 4-8 wks vacay each year.


24 posted on 07/06/2014 2:59:23 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Refuse to remain silent.)
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To: PoloSec

BIG GOVERNMENT IS CRONY SOCIALISM

Socialism Is Legal Plunder - Bastiat

Socialism is unsustainable…(we’re broke)…

http://www.usdebtclock.org

DEFUND/DISMANTLE BIG GOVERNMENT

$top the debt clock. Reverse it, eliminating debt and going to surplus then reduce taxes.


25 posted on 07/06/2014 3:12:39 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PLMerite

No. Working engineers at DOT earn 80,000.00 to 90,000.00

More than than many civilian engineers who “do” the actual work. These are ALL administrators. Ain’t calculator or CAD system in the bunch.

Boat load of spreadsheets and inspection forms though. HR and PhD weanies.


26 posted on 07/06/2014 4:24:49 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

How about considering ending the VA medical system and just giving eligible Vets free access to any civilian medical facility they choose.

IMHO, as long as these are government run hospitals, they will always be substandard in quality and overly expensive.


27 posted on 07/07/2014 8:15:14 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: PoloSec
Error 1011 Ray ID: 146501ac550b0514 Access denied What happened? The owner of this website (www.ijreview.com) does not allow hotlinking to that resource (/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/VA180orMore.png).

Access Denied! - No Hotlinking - Occasionally you will see an image that looks good on the site of origin but won't show up if you use it in a posting. Many sites block what they term as "hot-linking" thinking that people who link to their images from pages that are not theirs are stealing their hard paid for bandwidth. They have a point. Either use another image or host it on your own site to fix this problem.

Often the poster will see the image that hot-linking is not allowed for while other users are whining about no image present and red X's. This is because the poster's browser has cached the image and doesn't have to go to the blocked site to get it. A refresh of the page should show what is what.

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28 posted on 07/07/2014 8:28:04 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: Ditto

Actually NOW...they are equal to and in many cases better than priv hospitals.their outpatient care-—IF STAFFED ADEQUATELY—is far better than private care.


29 posted on 07/07/2014 9:14:57 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: Ditto

Actually NOW...they are equal to and in many cases better than priv hospitals.their outpatient care-—IF STAFFED ADEQUATELY—is far better than private care.


30 posted on 07/07/2014 9:16:33 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Bush won the War in Iraq, Obozo lost the peace..and gave Iraq back to the Terrorists!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Vacareers.va.gov says that there are over 14,000 physicians working for the VA.

I’d assume that the other’s are senior administrators. It may be robbery (esp given the care and list scandals) but senior hospital administrators in the private sector can make salaries in the mid to high six figures.


31 posted on 07/07/2014 9:23:26 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Mycroft Holmes

I’m not a techy, and not sure what you are saying, the site allows full content to be copied and pasted (at least here on FR) it was allowed, I know the image is not as clear as it could be, but readable. I did not get an access denied message and I did not do anything to force copying the image, did I do something wrong in copying the chart?


32 posted on 07/07/2014 10:06:03 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: PoloSec
I was able to see the chart by removing everything after the .png:

http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/VA180orMore.png?56ba87

but I was not able (and still don't) see the image in your post. The address above is what I get when I open the (broken) image in a new tab.

I don't think you did anything wrong copying the chart, I've seen this before from this site.

33 posted on 07/07/2014 10:27:37 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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