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In Maryland, Smoking Could Cost You Job
Insurance News Net ^ | July 5 '14 | Lorraine Mirabella

Posted on 07/06/2014 3:16:42 PM PDT by Drango

July 05--Anyone who wants a job next year at Anne Arundel Medical Center -- whether as a surgeon or security guard -- will have to prove they don't smoke or use tobacco.

The Annapolis hospital's new hiring policy might be controversial, but it is legal in Maryland and more than half of the United States. And it's a type of job screening that is gaining favor with employers -- from hospitals to companies such as Alaska Airlines -- trying to control rising health costs and cultivate a healthier, more productive workforce.

Anne Arundel Medical Center, like a growing number of health systems, universities and other businesses, will require a urine test for nicotine use for all applicants starting next July. The policy -- which will not apply to current employees -- is just one piece of the hospital's existing ban on tobacco use that was expanded July 1 to apply at all hospital buildings and surrounding public sidewalks, parking lots and garages. It covers not only cigarettes, but cigars, pipes, snuff and e-cigarettes.

Hospital representatives, who say their primary mission is "living healthier together," say the new rules grew out of two years of researching ways to prevent tobacco-related diseases -- and hearing out those who questioned the policy's fairness and legality. The hospital hopes that health care costs will decrease over the long term, but that was not the primary driver, said Julie McGovern, the center's vice president of human resources

"We're doing this to improve the health status of our community," McGovern said. "It's a serious obligation we have ... and one of the important steps we can take to be a role model."

But others say such policies set a dangerous precedent.

"These things are extremely intrusive," said George Koodray, assistant U.S. director of the Citizens Freedom Alliance, an organization that advocates for smokers' and property rights. "I think they really overstep. They really, in a lot of respects, defy so many principles that we believe in as Americans.

"What these folks are saying is they're going to deny a person's livelihood due to the fact that people are consuming a perfectly legal product that does not necessarily adversely affect their health," he said.

About 42.1 million people nationwide -- about 18 percent of the population -- smoke cigarettes, according to a February report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A 2013 survey by the U.S. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration found that 13.4 million people smoked cigars, 2.5 million smoked tobacco in pipes and about 9 million used smokeless or spit tobacco. Introducing Term 25 for the

Some smokers say employers have no right to regulate employees' health-related choices outside the workplace.

Nickia Trafton, 40, takes smoke breaks from work as a phlebotomist at Mercy Medical Center to help relieve stress, adding that smoking is a personal choice she's made with full knowledge of the health risks.

"Everyone has an outlet," she said. "Cigarettes are sold over the counter -- it's not illegal. ... My smoking doesn't interfere with my patients."

Her co-worker Pamela Schofield, also a phlebotomist, wondered who employers might target next.

"What about obese people, or if you weigh over a certain amount you are going to not be hired?" she said. "Smokers are not bad people."

Dajuan Robinson, a 25-year-old histology technician at Mercy has smoked for five years and is quitting now, largely because otherwise he'd be penalized with an added charge on his health insurance premium. But he believes employers with no-smoking policies in hiring have gone too far.

"I think it's a form of discrimination -- you can't say someone can't come to work because they smoke," he said. "It's not fair. Smoking is legal at the end of the day."

Federal law does not protect tobacco users from discrimination. Smokers are protected from employment-based discrimination in at least two dozen states, but Maryland is not one of them.

"We're sure it's enforceable," McGovern said. "We think it's the right thing to do in trying to create a healthy population. That's our role."

Cigarette smoking, which causes more than 480,000 deaths a year nationwide, is the nation's leading preventable cause of death, according to the CDC.

"It contributes to more of the health burden than any other habit," said Cathy Brady-Copertino, executive director of the medical center's Geaton and JoAnn DeCesaris Cancer Institute. "We knew we had to take a different approach with tobacco and its awareness, intervention and policy."

Tobacco-free employers include the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio; the Geisinger Health System in Wilkes Barre, Pa.; the Baylor Health Care System in Dallas; the University of Pennsylvania Health System; and the World Health Organization. Other employers with such hiring bans include Scotts Miracle-Gro and Alaska Airlines. Do your IULs have options like these?

No-smoking rules in hiring stirred controversy at first but have led to no legal challenges and relatively few nicotine test failures, two of the employers said.

"The challenge in the beginning was, are we not going to have a lot of people to hire?" said Dr. Paul Terpeluk, medical director for employee health at the Cleveland Clinic. "We never did reduce our applicant pool because of this program. We still have the same amount of people who want to work here."

Out of 30,000 to 40,000 applicants who have been hired since the policy was put in place in September 2007, two years after the campuses went smoke-free, just 1 percent to 2 percent have tested positive for nicotine, he said.

"It's pretty well known we do not hire smokers," Terpeluk said. "It's difficult for someone to apply here thinking we do not have that policy."

The clinic credits the hiring policy and employee cessation programs with helping to reduce absenteeism and instances of chronic disease and helping to control health care costs, said Dr. Daniel Neides, medical director for the clinic's wellness institute.

Geisinger Health System in central Pennsylvania, a 21,000-worker system that had been phasing in a tobacco-free program at its campuses since 2000, stopped hiring smokers in 2012.

"We pride ourselves on preventative measures," said Margaret Heffers, Geisinger's vice president for human resources. "The No. 1 thing you can do to promote better health is to quit smoking. We needed to model what we say. ... We have not found it to be a major stumbling block to recruitment."

But some worry about where such policies might lead.

"What's next?" said Koodray, a cigar smoker and president of the New Jersey-based Metropolitan Society, a private cigar club. "Where does this stuff go? There's all kinds of things that we do in our lives that expose us to some level of risk. This is private enterprise, but it's way overstepping. Would they dare to make a law like this that's against people who are obese or overweight?"

Employers who adopt no-smoking policies in hiring might be careful not to discriminate but still could open themselves to legal challenges, said Bruce Elliott, manager of compensation and benefits for the Society for Human Resource Management, who said he does not expect such rules to proliferate.

"Is it right for an employer to basically dictate to employees how to live their life and what their habits are?" he said. "A better approach would be more smoking-cessation programs. But the idea of excluding a candidate because he or she happens to be a smoker, I'd be careful about that."

Hospitals and other employers in states without job protections for smokers are within their rights to adopt such policies, employment law experts say.

"Clearly, when an employer starts to make hiring decisions based on something other than merit or job description, they run a risk of running afoul of discrimination law," said J. Thomas Spiggle, a workplace attorney at the Spiggle Law Firm in Arlington, Va. But as far as targeting smokers, he added, "I don't know on what basis it could be challenged. I wouldn't touch a case like that to challenge the hospital."

Though hospitals and universities have been among the first to implement smoker hiring bans, such policies are fairly uncommon among private employers, said Kathleen Hoke, director of the Legal Resource Center for Public Health Policy at the University of Maryland School of Law. The center, which offers pro bono legal advice on tobacco regulation, injury prevention and reduction of obesity and hypertension, helped Anne Arundel Medical Center with its legal research.

Targeting tobacco users made sense, but the prohibition won't be followed by bans based on other health- or behavior-related issues, said Brady-Copertino, of the Anne Arundel hospital.

"We have years and years of research on tobacco as an addiction," she said. "We do not have adequate research on things such as obesity and what needs to be done about it."

The Annapolis hospital, which estimates that roughly 20 percent of its 4,100 employees are smokers, has paired its new rules with increased smoking-cessation help for employees who want to quit -- offering classes, patches and nicotine gum for free.

It sees its role in promoting a smoke-free environment as extending well beyond its borders. It has doubled its nicotine treatment staff and plans to prepare for its ban by offering free cessation help and classes to area employers and businesses. That effort should promote public health while increasing the hospital's pool of potential smoke-free applicants.

"There's a year for people to get ready and make the decision to stop smoking so they can be employed by us," McGovern said. "Our goal is to get out to as many places as possible."


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Anyone who wants a job...prove they don't smoke or use tobacco...Anne Arundel Medical Center, like a growing number of health systems, universities and other businesses, will require a urine test for nicotine use for all applicants starting next July.

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1 posted on 07/06/2014 3:16:42 PM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango

Sounds like discrimination to me. And I think I know just where to perform the urine test too. What’s next? Yearly check up to see if you have any trace residue on your hands from the firing range?


2 posted on 07/06/2014 3:18:54 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Drango
how bout making welfare RATS take one tooo???
3 posted on 07/06/2014 3:21:38 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: rktman

The fascists need to hold still so I can deliver my urine sample with accuracy.


4 posted on 07/06/2014 3:22:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Drango

This is ripe for a lawsuit.


5 posted on 07/06/2014 3:22:30 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Drango

So smokers are now a minority to be discriminated against with impunity. Interesting. I guess smoking cigarettes is a an unhealthy lifestyle choice, but anal sex between men is just fine. Got it.


6 posted on 07/06/2014 3:22:47 PM PDT by Right Brother
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To: rktman

“Yearly check up to see if you have any trace residue on your hands from the firing range?”

Shhh...don’t give ‘em any ideas! /s;)


7 posted on 07/06/2014 3:23:00 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: rktman

> Sounds like discrimination to me. And I think I know just where to perform the urine test too. What’s next? Yearly check up to see if you have any trace residue on your hands from the firing range?

Next up. No traces of meat or fructose corn system in your diet and a requirement of 12 % or less body fat to qualify for Obamacare which won’t be tht difficult at the rate they are raising the price of groceries.


8 posted on 07/06/2014 3:25:31 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: KC_Conspirator

Will anyone discriminate on the basis of employees indulging in promiscuous homosexual sex? That is a major driver of bad health for people. There are other areas too, which if we are to be intellectually honest, need to be looked at, if the goal is optimal health for employees.


9 posted on 07/06/2014 3:27:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Drango
One trick pony.

Soon enough it will be all the overweights that require a weight test before they are hired.

/johnny

10 posted on 07/06/2014 3:29:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango

Nothing new here.
I know of quite a few companies with a pre-employment screening for nicotine.


11 posted on 07/06/2014 3:30:19 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Drango

Well just switch to marijuana then one can get high and relax. I don’t see it singled out.


12 posted on 07/06/2014 3:30:40 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Drango

I can think of a 100 things worse for your health than smoking, yet they don’t scan for that do they? #1 I would think would be “Voting for a foreign born communist Muslim hellbent on destroying the healthcare system of the United states”


13 posted on 07/06/2014 3:30:43 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Drango

14 posted on 07/06/2014 3:30:51 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: rktman; Right Brother
Sounds like discrimination to me.

I know. Life is sooooooo unfair. And smokers are the new victims!

15 posted on 07/06/2014 3:31:17 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Frankly I think we would all be happier if we were allowed to exterminate fascists and go on about our lives as we please.


16 posted on 07/06/2014 3:31:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Drango
You have issues.

Bottom line, smoking is still legal, and you can't get it outlawed. Prohibitionists never learn.

/johnny

17 posted on 07/06/2014 3:32:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: rktman

“Sounds like discrimination to me.”

Yes it is.

Smokers should be in a protected class, just like Christians, and people of different races, ethnicities and other factors that cannot be controlled.


18 posted on 07/06/2014 3:32:59 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Right Brother

I grew up in New York city and three years ago I finally woke up and moved out. What finally did it? When the midget Despot Mike Bloomberg demanded all the landlords of New York city submit a list to city hall of all the tenants in their building who smoke. I don’t smoke, but I recognize Germany in the 1930s.


19 posted on 07/06/2014 3:33:41 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: cripplecreek
Some people have a strong need to control their fellow men.

/johnny

20 posted on 07/06/2014 3:34:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cripplecreek
Hitler was also a rabid anti-smoker.

/johnny

21 posted on 07/06/2014 3:35:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; GrandJediMasterYoda

Godwin’s law!


22 posted on 07/06/2014 3:37:05 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
Hit dog yelps.

/johnny

23 posted on 07/06/2014 3:38:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango

A policy such as this enacted by a *health care facility* is,it could be argued,a reasonable one.Ditto employees of schools and nursing homes.But not for most types of employers.However,it’s reasonable for *all* employers to charge employees who smoke more for health insurance,just as it’s reasonable for a life insurance company to charge a higher premium for those who skydive.


24 posted on 07/06/2014 3:44:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Gay State Conservative
maryland is THE Freak state...where the LIBs/DIMs are a laugh a minute.
25 posted on 07/06/2014 3:48:38 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
...could be argued,a reasonable one...But not for most types of employers.

Reducing medical/insurance expenses is a legitimate goal of all firms.

26 posted on 07/06/2014 3:50:26 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
Reducing medical/insurance expenses is a legitimate goal of all firms.

Have to get rid of the overweight, the gays, people that drink, and those with a genetic pre-disposition to cancer then, too.

/johnny

27 posted on 07/06/2014 3:53:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango

How else, besides smoking or chewing, might a person become “positive” for nicotine, detected via a urine test.

Tobacco farmer, cigar roller, janitor (sweeps up butts), and who else?

How about that dreaded ‘second hand smoke’? Will that contaminate the innocent?

What does the test really detect? Nicotine itself, some byproduct of nicotine the body products, .... ?

And what other products may mimic that ‘positive’ nicotine test?

Well, well, well, the Ultimate Authority Wikipedia:

Nicotine (IUPAC nomenclature (S)-3-(1-methylpyrrolidin-2-il) pyridine) is a pyrrolidine alkaloid produced in large quantities in the tobacco plant (Nicotiana tabacum), but is also found in lower concentrations in other species such as the potato, tomato, and pepper.

So, be sure to not stand downwind from a potato or tomato farmer; don’t pick up that second-hand vapor.


28 posted on 07/06/2014 3:56:25 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: Drango
Reducing medical/insurance expenses is a legitimate goal of all firms.

Unless I'm mistaken SCOTUS ruled a few years back that it's OK for an employer to fire/lay off an employee simply because he/she cost more than a person willing to work for less money than the person laid off.As I said higher premiums for smokers is reasonable for all employers,IMO.But refusal to hire is reasonable,IMO,for health care facilities because of potential health hazards for patients.

29 posted on 07/06/2014 3:59:46 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Drango

As long as women have free contraception, it’s all good. /sarcasm


30 posted on 07/06/2014 4:09:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Drango
Back about thirty years ago, I was interviewing for a job, was very nervous, but was told I was getting the job. In the conference room where we were meeting, there was an ashtray, complete with ashes, on the table. In my nervous state, I asked if I could light up. (I obviously smoked back then) When they found out I smoked, they rescinded their offer and told me they didn't hire "smokers". Come to find out that it was totally legal to do that.

Just sayin'. This isn't just happening now.

31 posted on 07/06/2014 4:27:54 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Right Brother

Yeah, what about faggotry?


32 posted on 07/06/2014 4:30:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Drango

How do you prove a negative?


33 posted on 07/06/2014 4:34:58 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Chode

” how bout making welfare RATS take one tooo??? “

Right. If the people are paying for any part of your upkeep, you don’t have any spare money for vices, cable tv, etc.


34 posted on 07/06/2014 4:36:19 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Drango

Prove I don’t drink Diet Soda.

I hear it’s got effects that cause cancer...


35 posted on 07/06/2014 4:39:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Drango

When you agree with any public policy from the state of Maryland, it’s time to seriously rethink your life.


36 posted on 07/06/2014 4:48:17 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
How do you prove a negative?

Apparently they measure for cotinine, and if you don't have a high or medium level you're good.

37 posted on 07/06/2014 4:49:08 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: PLMerite
monthly drug/alcohol/nicotine tests or not one more penny... if we have to take tests to MAKE the money TAKEN from us to GIVE to them, then they should have to take tests to GET the money
38 posted on 07/06/2014 4:50:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Drango

...but pole smoking is A-OK !


39 posted on 07/06/2014 4:50:54 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Drango

Hint: marijuana use may not be distinguishable from tobacco. So lurch around a bit and look high...you’re covered....maybe.


40 posted on 07/06/2014 4:51:25 PM PDT by RossA
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To: Chode

I’m subject to drug testing at my job. It’s offensive that a welfare recipient isn’t, but has no qualms laying claim to part of my paycheck


41 posted on 07/06/2014 4:54:08 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
will have to prove they don't smoke or use tobacco.

And yet they give the alcohol drinkers and alcoholics a pass.......

Alcohol, which destroys more lives and families in a single year than tobacco ever has in it's lifetime.......

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.........

You're a hypocrite Drango...........HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa......

42 posted on 07/06/2014 4:56:16 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: Drango
100%...
43 posted on 07/06/2014 4:58:53 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Gay State Conservative
A policy such as this enacted by a *health care facility* is,it could be argued,a reasonable one.

Statistically men that smoke cigars and pipes live longer than men that don't smoke anything. That is because cigar and pipe smokers tend to have higher wealth. However a significant portion of the shorter lifespan of cigarette smokers is because of less wealth. Adjusted for this, tobacco use is nothing compared to the health problems caused by excessive carbohydrate use.

44 posted on 07/06/2014 4:59:25 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Hot Tabasco
You're a hypocrite Drango

You're an addict Hot Tabasco.

45 posted on 07/06/2014 5:01:53 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Vendome
Ix-nay on the iet-day oda-say*. You'll give them ideas.

(*encrypted so NSA has to spend time decoding it)

46 posted on 07/06/2014 5:06:02 PM PDT by Ken H
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Anyone who wants a job...prove they don't smoke or use tobacco...will require a urine test for nicotine use for all applicants starting next July.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

47 posted on 07/06/2014 6:21:52 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Drango
Uncle Adolf would be so proud.

Hey! Here's an idea! Legalize tobacco and tax the hell out of it!!! Oh wait...

48 posted on 07/06/2014 6:23:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
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To: Drango; SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; Alia; ...

What if a prospective hire is chewing nicotine gum to break the smoking habit?

Nanny State PING!


49 posted on 07/06/2014 6:45:23 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Border Crisis = Cloward-Piven, Chicano-style!)
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To: Drango

By the way, you still suck.


50 posted on 07/06/2014 6:49:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Border Crisis = Cloward-Piven, Chicano-style!)
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